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08/24/2011 05:25:03 AM · #1
Ok I may have asked for this, but curious anyway, if someone DNMC, but the photo is good what do you score someone on average, I will tend to give out 5's if the photo is good, but DNMC, what do others do?

I know I'm being hammered at the moment even though I have one really nice comment, but have been getting a few 1's and 2's is this really acting properly.

I can just imagine the response :)
08/24/2011 05:29:24 AM · #2
If I don't think it meets the challenge, the max I will give is a 5 and that is for an outstanding image and at least a loose shoehorn of sorts.
08/24/2011 05:31:07 AM · #3
5 would be a fair max to a dnmc
08/24/2011 05:35:25 AM · #4
Hi Neat, difficult question but I would tend to agree to give a 5. The Challenge theme is important but the image technique and quality too. But it seems for me that a lot of former challenges are getting more and more freestyles ;-)
08/24/2011 05:37:05 AM · #5
If anyone wants to PM me and let me know how far off the mark I am, or if my photo is just plain bad, that would be great.
08/24/2011 05:37:53 AM · #6
For me it’s a photographic web site so the image quality or artistic merit is vital. However, this is DPChallenge and so ‘Challenge’ is important as to what this is all about (except for side challenges which it’s about the comments without votes). So I keep both of this in mind when I vote. I find Free Studies the easiest to vote on as it is what appeals to me or what I find technically good. With that in mind I would give a relatively low vote in a FS for something that is not that appealing (to me) and has technical flaws (again, to me). However, if this shot was for a specific challenge and met it well I would vote it higher. The opposite applies for challenges where a fantastic image that clearly doesn’t meet the challenge (once again, to me) will not score too well. That does not occur too often though as I always try and see how the photog has tried to meet the challenge – even cryptically via title – before giving my all important vote.

After all that I guess ‘Yes’ I’ll probably give a 5 to a photo that is good, but DNMC. But at least a 6 to a shot that is not as good but meets the challenge.
08/24/2011 05:47:59 AM · #7
For a truly outstanding image - 9. DNMC is not as important to me as is the quality of a photograph. I think that DNMC is greatly overused, the voters may not see or understand the relevance of the image but they will still jump in with a 1, 2 or 3 vote. The benefit of doubt which is the basis of our judicial system is not present in DPC "troll" mentality.
08/24/2011 06:01:12 AM · #8
A 9 for a dnmc? If everyone else follows that gauge then a truly outstanding perfectly shot skillfully processed eye candy landscape can get a 9, hence a blue ribbon in a macro challenge.

In order to avoid that scenario, i simply cannot give a dnmc anything greater than a 5.
08/24/2011 06:04:11 AM · #9
Originally posted by Cyberlandz:

A 9 for a dnmc? If everyone else follows that gauge then a truly outstanding perfectly shot skillfully processed eye candy landscape can get a 9, hence a blue ribbon in a macro challenge.

In order to avoid that scenario, i simply cannot give a dnmc anything greater than a 5.

I questioned some voters' ability to understand how the author perceived the challenge. You have trivialized the issue.
08/24/2011 06:17:55 AM · #10
Originally posted by MargaretN:

Originally posted by Cyberlandz:

A 9 for a dnmc? If everyone else follows that gauge then a truly outstanding perfectly shot skillfully processed eye candy landscape can get a 9, hence a blue ribbon in a macro challenge.

In order to avoid that scenario, i simply cannot give a dnmc anything greater than a 5.

I questioned some voters' ability to understand how the author perceived the challenge. You have trivialized the issue.


I agree with what you say about troll voters. I just dont agree that a dnmc can have a vote that high.
08/24/2011 06:23:41 AM · #11
I used to drop 1-3 votes for what I believed to be a DNMC, but like others have said the quality of the image is more important so I changed my marking to deduct 2 marks for a DNMC, sometimes what I believed to be a DNMC was perfectly valid I just failed to see it, so dropping a 1 is not called for unless it's a dog challenge and someone takes an out of focus, badly composed, topazed to death image of a flower.
08/24/2011 06:42:45 AM · #12
This isn't directed at anyone in particular.....
Keep in mind, it's the photographer's job to communicate the topic connection. If the voter doesn't see it, the photog failed in that regard. Sure some people are very literal, but voting on all aspects is subjective, so deal with it and don't disparage voters who don't "get" and/or highly value the topic connection. It is not the voters who are being judged, nor should they be.

Originally posted by Jon_H:

I used to drop 1-3 votes for what I believed to be a DNMC, but like others have said the quality of the image is more important so I changed my marking to deduct 2 marks for a DNMC, sometimes what I believed to be a DNMC was perfectly valid I just failed to see it, so dropping a 1 is not called for unless...


Nothing annoys me more than telling people how to vote - especially when you admittedly used to vote in a way you have now decided is "uncalled for" - it's like an ex-smoker lecturing someone who lights up.

The only voting criticism I think is valid is voting down entries to elevate one's own score. But that seems to be hard to catch and I don't have any idea to what extent it goes on.

edit:typo

Message edited by author 2011-08-24 06:43:50.
08/24/2011 07:19:36 AM · #13
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

This isn't directed at anyone in particular.....
Keep in mind, it's the photographer's job to communicate the topic connection. If the voter doesn't see it, the photog failed in that regard. Sure some people are very literal, but voting on all aspects is subjective, so deal with it and don't disparage voters who don't "get" and/or highly value the topic connection. It is not the voters who are being judged, nor should they be.
...

It's true that the current state of affairs at DPC can be characterized by the existence of some voters who don't "get" it, even when they should or could by being a bit less inflexible and narrow-minded. We do live with this and it is a fact of life.
08/24/2011 07:32:11 AM · #14
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Keep in mind, it's the photographer's job to communicate the topic connection. If the voter doesn't see it, the photog failed in that regard.

That's why we got so many clocks in the Time challenge. Voters narrow perception strangles creativity.
08/24/2011 07:33:37 AM · #15
Originally posted by MargaretN:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Keep in mind, it's the photographer's job to communicate the topic connection. If the voter doesn't see it, the photog failed in that regard.

That's why we got so many clocks in the Time challenge. Voters narrow perception strangles creativity.

That why you have so many foggy landscapes :-)

(Wonderful though they are, as we discussed. I am joking. I know you're defining your style. )

Message edited by author 2011-08-24 07:34:30.
08/24/2011 07:53:12 AM · #16
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

This isn't directed at anyone in particular.....
Keep in mind, it's the photographer's job to communicate the topic connection. If the voter doesn't see it, the photog failed in that regard. Sure some people are very literal, but voting on all aspects is subjective, so deal with it and don't disparage voters who don't "get" and/or highly value the topic connection. It is not the voters who are being judged, nor should they be.

Originally posted by Jon_H:

I used to drop 1-3 votes for what I believed to be a DNMC, but like others have said the quality of the image is more important so I changed my marking to deduct 2 marks for a DNMC, sometimes what I believed to be a DNMC was perfectly valid I just failed to see it, so dropping a 1 is not called for unless...


Nothing annoys me more than telling people how to vote - especially when you admittedly used to vote in a way you have now decided is "uncalled for" - it's like an ex-smoker lecturing someone who lights up.

The only voting criticism I think is valid is voting down entries to elevate one's own score. But that seems to be hard to catch and I don't have any idea to what extent it goes on.

edit:typo


+1 to Ken's words of wisdom. Well said.

Tim

Message edited by author 2011-08-24 07:53:34.
08/24/2011 08:00:18 AM · #17
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:


Originally posted by Jon_H:

I used to drop 1-3 votes for what I believed to be a DNMC, but like others have said the quality of the image is more important so I changed my marking to deduct 2 marks for a DNMC, sometimes what I believed to be a DNMC was perfectly valid I just failed to see it, so dropping a 1 is not called for unless...


Nothing annoys me more than telling people how to vote - especially when you admittedly used to vote in a way you have now decided is "uncalled for" - it's like an ex-smoker lecturing someone who lights up.

edit:typo


He didn't tell people how to vote, he said what he did/does, I didn't get a sense of 'and you should do the same' from his post...
08/24/2011 08:31:39 AM · #18
Of course I vote lower for a DNMC. I rarely give out a 1, 2, or 3 though. I'd say if my average for the challenge is a 6.5, I'll likely give a DNMC no higher than a 5. For a real SHOEHORN I can give 3 or 4 at times.

I will give a 1 to a landscape in a macro challenge.
08/24/2011 08:39:25 AM · #19
Originally posted by atupdate:


+1 to Ken's words of wisdom. Well said.

Tim

+2
08/24/2011 08:42:03 AM · #20
Originally posted by kenskid:

I will give a 1 to a landscape in a macro challenge.

Like this one:
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08/24/2011 09:05:58 AM · #21
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

This isn't directed at anyone in particular.....
Keep in mind, it's the photographer's job to communicate the topic connection. If the voter doesn't see it, the photog failed in that regard. Sure some people are very literal, but voting on all aspects is subjective, so deal with it and don't disparage voters who don't "get" and/or highly value the topic connection. It is not the voters who are being judged, nor should they be.

Originally posted by Jon_H:

I used to drop 1-3 votes for what I believed to be a DNMC, but like others have said the quality of the image is more important so I changed my marking to deduct 2 marks for a DNMC, sometimes what I believed to be a DNMC was perfectly valid I just failed to see it, so dropping a 1 is not called for unless...


Nothing annoys me more than telling people how to vote - especially when you admittedly used to vote in a way you have now decided is "uncalled for" - it's like an ex-smoker lecturing someone who lights up.

The only voting criticism I think is valid is voting down entries to elevate one's own score. But that seems to be hard to catch and I don't have any idea to what extent it goes on.

edit:typo


I was not intending to tell voters how to vote I was merely explaining what I do in order to provide the initiator with some insight on how others vote, mine is one opinion in many thousands on here.
Your viewpoint of being annoyed at the fact that I have an opinion is a little short sighted as many comments are made on our shots that are opinions of others, if we all became annoyed at others opinions the comments would dry up.

08/24/2011 12:53:24 PM · #22
If it is a photograph it meets the challenge for me. So, no DNMC. -1 for subject if i cannot 'find it'/'see it'
08/24/2011 01:19:08 PM · #23
Originally posted by Neat:

Ok I may have asked for this, but curious anyway, if someone DNMC, but the photo is good what do you score someone on average, I will tend to give out 5's if the photo is good, but DNMC, what do others do?

I know I'm being hammered at the moment even though I have one really nice comment, but have been getting a few 1's and 2's is this really acting properly.

I can just imagine the response :)


Doesn't meet challenge means a 1 or 2 from me. It's the same thing as going to play football but bringing a basketball.
08/24/2011 01:21:04 PM · #24
Originally posted by Cyberlandz:

5 would be a fair max to a dnmc


So why have a scale of 1-10? Why would you not use 1-5? DNMC means failed. You would give a 50% to a failed attempt?
08/24/2011 01:24:11 PM · #25
Originally posted by MargaretN:

Originally posted by Cyberlandz:

A 9 for a dnmc? If everyone else follows that gauge then a truly outstanding perfectly shot skillfully processed eye candy landscape can get a 9, hence a blue ribbon in a macro challenge.

In order to avoid that scenario, i simply cannot give a dnmc anything greater than a 5.

I questioned some voters' ability to understand how the author perceived the challenge. You have trivialized the issue.


There is no trivia in the issue. DNMC means DNMC. So I could go take an excellent car photo and enter it in a phone challenge and expect a 9 from you? So if I actually meet the challenge, I should get a 10 from you, right? Cmon, how is that fair to the people who actually took the time to meet the challenge, but the photo quality is good, just not as good? I would expect a DNMC to score LOWER than ANY photo, regardless of how bad it is, as long as it meets the challenge.

Message edited by author 2011-08-24 13:25:28.
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