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08/09/2011 03:10:40 PM · #26
Thanks for the soup Brian. BTW, 10K. Wow.

Commenting takes time. I wish I had more time to do it. It's actually enjoyable, particularly when I'm not looking to comment on all the images. I rarely offer up technical critiques when commenting, rather just put words to what the image evoked which I suppose is an emotional critique...chicken soup! BTW, sometimes it's one word.

I am trying to comment for about 30 minutes each night. It became more relaxing and enjoyable when I let go of the quantity.

08/09/2011 05:04:20 PM · #27
Finally I got one. Whew. Have we been chicken-soup-recipe deprived! More!
08/09/2011 05:19:26 PM · #28
::daintly sips Sopa de Gallina de No Commento ::

Muchas Gracias, mi amigo...' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' BVY! ;-)

My soul is now complete...;-)

Message edited by author 2011-08-09 17:20:53.
08/09/2011 05:28:22 PM · #29
Originally posted by hihosilver:

@' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Paynekj...I don't know that any magical advice exists within the commenting realm.

Well unrequested pragmatic advice used to appear magically just by entering challenges ;)

Kevin

Edit: and just to disprove my point, while writing the above I got my first comment on my Pastel entry, and a helpful comment it was too!

Message edited by author 2011-08-09 17:32:13.
08/09/2011 05:54:43 PM · #30
Originally posted by paynekj:

Well unrequested pragmatic advice used to appear magically just by entering challenges ;)


Well, waiting for advice AFTER you enter the challenge seems a little bit like putting the horse behind the cart. ;-)

But I guess I'm one of those people who needs a tester in the kitchen BEFORE I serve horde. ;-)

Message edited by author 2011-08-09 17:55:59.
08/09/2011 06:22:57 PM · #31
Originally posted by hihosilver:

Originally posted by paynekj:

Well unrequested pragmatic advice used to appear magically just by entering challenges ;)


Well, waiting for advice AFTER you enter the challenge seems a little bit like putting the horse behind the cart. ;-)

But I guess I'm one of those people who needs a tester in the kitchen BEFORE I serve horde. ;-)


Ah but do you have a recipe for horde? Is it related to what you serve with cocktails(oup)?
08/09/2011 06:49:01 PM · #32
Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by hihosilver:

But I guess I'm one of those people who needs a tester in the kitchen BEFORE I serve horde. ;-)


Ah but do you have a recipe for horde? Is it related to what you serve with cocktails(oup)?


LOL...Sorry...That's a secret family recipe.

::stares sheepishly at grammatically incorrect toes::

08/09/2011 06:54:30 PM · #33
Up next... Brownies!
08/09/2011 07:04:00 PM · #34
Ummm...the good kind?
08/09/2011 07:36:36 PM · #35
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Ummm...the good kind?

Well, he is, by his own admission, part of the "counterculture", so infer what you will from that.
08/09/2011 07:37:39 PM · #36
LOL. That was awesome BVY. Now I know where I can always find a recipe. :)
08/09/2011 08:44:56 PM · #37
Q: how to increase commenting?

A: write more comments instead of posting to forum threads.

If you view comments as one of the paths to becoming a better photographer, the comments you write will contribute far more to that end than those you receive.
08/09/2011 09:37:04 PM · #38
I may be in the minority, but I don't get that much out of comments anymore, and unless I have something material to say, don't comment that much anymore either.

It used to feel like Christmas morning every time I saw that a new comment was posted, but these days, most of the comments don't tell me any more about the strengths and weaknesses of my shots than what I already knew. The 'nice shot' comments that proliferate are not really helpful in learning, nor do they provide much insight into how I can improve my work. Its rare that I learn much from a comment.

Likewise, I used to feel an obligation to try and generate a lot of comments, but I found myself leaving a lot of comments that didnt provide any more value to the recipient than the 'nice shots' I talked about above.

I personally get a tremendous amount of value from viewing the work of those that are better than me ( and I know that there are a ton of people who qualify ) and from the forum posts about technique, individual photos, etc.

08/09/2011 11:01:26 PM · #39
Originally posted by Nobody:

I may be in the minority, but I don't get that much out of comments anymore, and unless I have something material to say, don't comment that much anymore either.

It used to feel like Christmas morning every time I saw that a new comment was posted, but these days, most of the comments don't tell me any more about the strengths and weaknesses of my shots than what I already knew. The 'nice shot' comments that proliferate are not really helpful in learning, nor do they provide much insight into how I can improve my work. Its rare that I learn much from a comment.

Likewise, I used to feel an obligation to try and generate a lot of comments, but I found myself leaving a lot of comments that didnt provide any more value to the recipient than the 'nice shots' I talked about above.

I personally get a tremendous amount of value from viewing the work of those that are better than me ( and I know that there are a ton of people who qualify ) and from the forum posts about technique, individual photos, etc.


When I go flaming commenting on images, I almost always end up feeling like a jerk... I really do wish there was a "Critique me" flag.. It would make the whole damn thing go so much smoother, for everyone, the submitters, both thick and thin skinned, and the commenters/voters.

I guess the real question that gets in the way of that suggestion is "Would such a 'Critique' flag have a measurable effect on voting?"..... I would tend to think that it wouldn't, but... *shrug* DPC voters are a strange lot... (I often picture someone at a monitor in the dark surrounded by kitsch and tons of gear, while voting and talking to themselves.....)
08/09/2011 11:09:41 PM · #40
This thread got me thinking about other photography sites like 1x that have a critique section, in order to upload a photo you must submit a critique on at least 3 photos. What if we had a section like that in DPC, so after a challenge is over we could submit a photo for critique. Kind of like the critique club, but instead of a few members getting flooded with a bunch of photos to critique, the whole site takes its turn. Also photos in need of critiques get cycled to the top, so not just the most popular images get critiques. ETA: it would also solve Cory's problem, only people who want a critique would be submitting their photos, so it would eliminate unwanted critiques.

On Photosig.com in order to submit a photo at all you must accumulate so many points in critiques. The critiques must be long enough or it won't be counted, so a two word comment like "nice photo" won't work. Maybe to enter certain challenges members must have enough critique points built up. However, I would hate to see the number of entries to a challenge drop for this reason.

Message edited by author 2011-08-09 23:11:09.
08/10/2011 12:05:40 AM · #41
Originally posted by Cory:

... I really do wish there was a "Critique me" flag.. It would make the whole damn thing go so much smoother, for everyone, the submitters, both thick and thin skinned, and the commenters/voters.

I've suggested that people could set a preference along this line (taken from a writing site) -- but there would have to be a way to anonymously display the commenting preference on the voting page.

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08/10/2011 01:16:10 AM · #42
As the site age the once lucrative stats on you profile page become stagnated. That's why I have always be a proponent of a yearly style stats record. Something similar to a baseball, basketball, or football players card. Think of it as your DPC career stats. Take ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE as an example, what is his reward for entering 898 challenges? he would have to score a perfect 10 on every challenge he enters for a long time just to raise (or lower) his score enough to see a change. If it was broken down by the year and then a total he could see his average score by the year. This could also be done with all the stats including comments. I also believe that comments should be divided up between challenge comments and non-challenge comments.

Message edited by author 2011-08-10 01:18:59.
08/10/2011 01:27:46 AM · #43
Originally posted by SDW:

.... That's why I have always be a proponent of a yearly style stats record. ..snip..... If it was broken down by the year and then a total he could see his average score by the year.

I do think that is a good idea actually. It makes for interesting reading. Just for fun (as I had time on my hands) I broke it down by year for myself and it was quite interesting.
08/10/2011 02:06:46 AM · #44
Inbox:

"Someone has made a comment on one of your photos. Make a comment and have it marked as helpful to view your newly received comments"

I'm actually quite relaxed about how things are now but I'm pretty convinced the above strategy would lead to an increase in commenting.
08/10/2011 09:36:07 AM · #45
Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Inbox:

"Someone has made a comment on one of your photos. Make a comment and have it marked as helpful to view your newly received comments"

I'm actually quite relaxed about how things are now but I'm pretty convinced the above strategy would lead to an increase in commenting.


Now there is an interesting twist! I do like the idea of yearly stats also for the points already made in favor.
08/10/2011 09:43:25 AM · #46
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08/10/2011 10:10:34 AM · #47
Originally posted by Sevlow:

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It took you 3 pages. :) I was wondering when it would make its appearance. lol

Carry on....

Here's an idea if you want more comments.

Take interesting photographs that people will find, well, interesting enough to comment on.
Stay out of the box and don't be afraid of a bad score.
Challenge yourself.
If you can't come up with something interesting, even after you've taken the time to photograph the subject, don't submit it, it's not going to do well and you're going to end up starting a thread on why nobody is commenting on your image.....
Don't take photos that you think others are going to take. (ignore the discussion threads about challenge subjects, they skew many people's point of view about the challenges)
Shoot what you like, it'll translate into better photography in the end and further define your style.

Last but not least.

Ignore these threads and be yourself. ;-)

Message edited by author 2011-08-10 10:10:51.
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