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07/22/2011 03:38:07 AM · #1 |
So, homosexuals are now allowed to be Gay & Proud in the US armed forces. Good thing? Bad thing? Surely the straight soldiers will be worried that their gay comrades will be checking them out whilst in uniform ala The Village People. Will the gay soldiers now be allowed to `accessorise ` their uniforms so they are not as dull.
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07/22/2011 03:49:59 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Will the gay soldiers now be allowed to `accessorise ` their uniforms so they are not as dull.
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For fucks sake, can you stereotype gay males any more than that?
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07/22/2011 04:02:39 AM · #3 |
| As much as I agree with James here... I did chuckle a bit at that... Mainly because I did not think anyone actually thought this in a serious manner... I always thought people thought this while only joking... Similar to Asians only eating rice. Sort of like a running joke.. But someone seems serious.. And for that I laugh at you... |
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07/22/2011 06:10:52 AM · #4 |
| Simms has seemed to have woken up as a giggling 15yr old schoolboy this morning. Perhaps he's missing his News Of The World already. |
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07/22/2011 09:19:31 AM · #5 |
Saw that in the paper this morning. I think it's, for the most part, a good thing. There has been too much persecution of them over a lifestyle choice that does no harm to others. I do appreciate that having gays around makes some people uncomfortable, and others have strong convictions that make it impossible to work with homosexuals. This is a genuine problem for the military because it affects teamwork within a unit. But we've had similar issues in the past over the subject of women in combat roles.
I am sympathetic, but can also see both sides of the issue. The idea of gay sex is repulsive to me personally, but if it is someone else's choice, they are not doing me any harm. I see no problem other than that caused by the people that do take issue with it.
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07/22/2011 09:34:51 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
There has been too much persecution of them over a lifestyle choice that does no harm to others. |
I don't really think describing homosexuality as a 'lifestyle choice' is a particularly helpful view really. Is your hetrosexuality a lifestyle choice? |
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07/22/2011 09:36:39 AM · #7 |
I refuse to work with men, because they all think I'm a sexpot.
Having blacks around makes some people uncomfortable, and others have strong convictions that make it impossible to work with them.
They're wrong.
They're all wrong.
Men are such idiots at times.
Regarding women in the military. Yes, sex is an issue, but I think the bigger issue is that I couldn't carry spiff from the battlefield if he messed up his knee again. Yet there are some women that certainly could.
Judge a person on whether or not they can do their job well. Not their color, their race, their creed, their sexual orientation, their gender. |
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07/22/2011 09:40:59 AM · #8 |
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07/22/2011 09:51:23 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
There has been too much persecution of them over a lifestyle choice that does no harm to others. |
I don't really think describing homosexuality as a 'lifestyle choice' is a particularly helpful view really. Is your hetrosexuality a lifestyle choice? |
The point you make between the lines is that gays do not feel this is a choice for them, that it is simply the way they are and they just want to be accepted for who they are. Point taken. Others believe that it is a conscious choice. I did not intend to imply anything negative. And yes, my heterosexuality is a choice. I am free to choose otherwise if the other choices appealed to me. Use whatever terms you like.
Message edited by author 2011-07-22 09:52:30.
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07/22/2011 10:12:52 AM · #10 |
As a general rule, Soldiers probably have more important things to do than check out each others asses in a time of war.
On a lighter note, whatever happened to the days of Greek and Roman armies who were quite successful, despite ubiquitous homosexuality, or for that matter, the british Navy, quite successful, all the while seemingly quite "liberal" with respect to counterculture sexual preference?
Here's the rule: It is irrelevant who you want to screw when there is a gun pointed at you- and in most other situations as well.
Message edited by author 2011-07-22 10:42:41. |
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07/22/2011 10:34:24 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Simms:
So, homosexuals are now allowed to be Gay & Proud in the US armed forces. Good thing? Bad thing? Surely the straight soldiers will be worried that their gay comrades will be checking them out whilst in uniform ala The Village People. Will the gay soldiers now be allowed to `accessorise ` their uniforms so they are not as dull.
Serious question..
Discuss. |
Every once in a while a post gets me riled up enough to respond. Usually I delete after writing it all down. Maybe I won't this time. We'll see.
Simms, and others, to borrow another slogan, "we've come a long way, baby"
When my brother served in the time of the Korean Conflict, he was 'outed' (caught) and was issued a general discharge from the Army and given a year in a mental hospital to 'cure' his affliction. He later went to a southern state, and within days of his 26th birthday, while leaving a bar, was set upon by what now would be called gay bashers, and died of his wounds.
And you, Simms, are worried about accessorizing uniforms? My, we have come a long way, haven't we.
(Delete? Post?) Ah, to heck with it, post.
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07/22/2011 11:18:53 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Judge a person on whether or not they can do their job well. Not their color, their race, their creed, their sexual orientation, their gender. |
+1 |
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07/22/2011 11:20:39 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by Simms:
So, homosexuals are now allowed to be Gay & Proud in the US armed forces. Good thing? Bad thing? Surely the straight soldiers will be worried that their gay comrades will be checking them out whilst in uniform ala The Village People. Will the gay soldiers now be allowed to `accessorise ` their uniforms so they are not as dull.
Serious question..
Discuss. |
Every once in a while a post gets me riled up enough to respond. Usually I delete after writing it all down. Maybe I won't this time. We'll see.
Simms, and others, to borrow another slogan, "we've come a long way, baby"
When my brother served in the time of the Korean Conflict, he was 'outed' (caught) and was issued a general discharge from the Army and given a year in a mental hospital to 'cure' his affliction. He later went to a southern state, and within days of his 26th birthday, while leaving a bar, was set upon by what now would be called gay bashers, and died of his wounds.
And you, Simms, are worried about accessorizing uniforms? My, we have come a long way, haven't we.
(Delete? Post?) Ah, to heck with it, post. |
Glad you posted -- very moving. Can't believe you would even think about deleting it. I hope everyone reads this. |
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07/22/2011 11:21:28 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
There has been too much persecution of them over a lifestyle choice that does no harm to others. |
I don't really think describing homosexuality as a 'lifestyle choice' is a particularly helpful view really. Is your hetrosexuality a lifestyle choice? |
My favorite thing I ever hear on the subject of "lifestyle choice" was that if it were so, then for the purpose of demonstration, why is so hard for a heterosexual to "choose" to be gay for a week or even a night? If it is indeed a choice, then why is choosing the other way almost an impossibility when the question becomes reversed?
I've never understood the mentality of the futile attempt to influence society to fit into the mold of any single mindset.
Although it explains the frequent episodes of versions of ethnic cleansing, getting rid of the other "them" that we can all agree are not "us" GET EM!!!! |
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07/22/2011 11:24:48 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
There has been too much persecution of them over a lifestyle choice that does no harm to others. |
I don't really think describing homosexuality as a 'lifestyle choice' is a particularly helpful view really. Is your hetrosexuality a lifestyle choice? |
The point you make between the lines is that gays do not feel this is a choice for them, that it is simply the way they are and they just want to be accepted for who they are. Point taken. Others believe that it is a conscious choice. I did not intend to imply anything negative. And yes, my heterosexuality is a choice. I am free to choose otherwise if the other choices appealed to me. Use whatever terms you like. |
Oh, i know you didn't imply anything negative. I think my reply came across as sharper than intended. You're right; it does come down to what people believe and i obviously believe that my sexuality, as well as anyone else's, is not something that is chosen. Hey ho. People believe in all sorts of crazy things; Hollow Earth theory, Creationism, Democracy, Prog Rock, White Supremeism, Bungee Jumping. People are nuts.
Also, thanks for posting Alice.
Message edited by author 2011-07-22 11:45:44. |
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07/22/2011 11:44:10 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
getting rid of the other "them" that we can all agree are not "us" GET EM!!!! |
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07/22/2011 11:57:39 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by hawkeyefilms:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Judge a person on whether or not they can do their job well. Not their color, their race, their creed, their sexual orientation, their gender. |
+1 |
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like I have so much to say but most of it has been addressed in this thread already.
-shakes head-
Alice, your post was touching. Thank you for sharing, and I'm sorry to hear. |
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07/22/2011 12:05:11 PM · #18 |
| As an added note, most gay people in the military don't want everyone to know anyway, because of the very reason that people are ignorant and stereotype them and start treating them differently. The point is, that it's completely unfair for people to NOT be allowed to tell if they chose to, or much less be discharged from the military because of that. Gay soldiers, like straight ones, are out there willing to risk their life for all of us. It is ridiculous to diminish them. |
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07/22/2011 12:07:41 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
My favorite thing I ever hear on the subject of "lifestyle choice" was that if it were so, then for the purpose of demonstration, why is so hard for a heterosexual to "choose" to be gay for a week or even a night? If it is indeed a choice, then why is choosing the other way almost an impossibility when the question becomes reversed?
I've never understood the mentality of the futile attempt to influence society to fit into the mold of any single mindset.
Although it explains the frequent episodes of versions of ethnic cleansing, getting rid of the other "them" that we can all agree are not "us" GET EM!!!! |
I feel you are trying to nail me as the enemy because of an unfortunate choice of words that hit a hot spot. I think you need to re-read my first post to understand the point I was making had nothing to do with how or why someone is that way. I chose words that hit a hot button that I was unaware of.
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07/22/2011 12:46:21 PM · #20 |
Alice, your post made me cry. My deepest condolences. It hit that place in me that has no filter too. I will never forget my granddaughter telling me over the phone that she was a lesbian - I was over 4000 miles away so I couldn't hold her as she cried because she was afraid of what her family and friends were going to say. A fear I had never heard in her voice before because she is a little fire cracker and the love of my life.
I am so proud of her and that love is filled with protectiveness and it transfers in a heart beat when I hear people stereotype or tell stupid jokes about peoples right to love who they want to.
You know, when I talk to anyone, I never think of what they do in bed but that is one thing that is said about our gay family, friends and neighbors - when heteros pretty much do all the same things. Plus, it's none of our business.
It's just so difficult to believe that it's 2011. I think that to be gay and to serve your country must take twice as much courage considering how much discrimination they face and how hard they had to fight to do one of the most difficult jobs on earth.
Message edited by author 2011-07-22 12:49:16. |
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07/22/2011 12:51:39 PM · #21 |
| I wonder how many DPCers are gay? Some are obviously married or make reference about their opposite sex partners but others are here and we know little to nothing of their gender preference. Does it make them any less of a valid contributor to the challenges or photography in general. Are their views tainted or pervasive in the forums? When did we allow Gay people to be open at DPC. Maybe we aren't as progressive as the military. Were you shocked when you discovered at your last DPC GTG that (INSERT USER PROFILE NAME HERE) was not the sexual orientation that you expected? Does it really matter to our community? Should it matter anywhere else? I'm sure the gay members of the military aren't holding gay pride parades down the length of aircraft carriers or furnishing their bunks with rainbow flags to flaunt their preferences in the face of those who possess more conservative values. They're just doing their job like anyone else. |
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07/22/2011 01:34:45 PM · #22 |
Thank you for your responses to my recent post.
Sometimes it's just necessary to speak up; that seemed to be one of those times.
If anyone wants to do any research on how gay men and lesbian women in the Armed Services conducted themselves during wartime, I recommend Coming Out Under Fire by Allan Berube who tells the stories of our many World War II heroes and heroines.
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07/22/2011 01:42:55 PM · #23 |
Saved 4 of his wounded comrades in fire fight in Afghanistan, 6.4, 22years old, built like the back end of a brick shit house and gay.
Proud as punch to have him as my friend and someone that fights for this country, so that some ignorant people can call themselves free.
It is an honour to know him
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07/22/2011 01:44:47 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I feel you are trying to nail me as the enemy because of an unfortunate choice of words that hit a hot spot. I think you need to re-read my first post to understand the point I was making had nothing to do with how or why someone is that way. I chose words that hit a hot button that I was unaware of. |
Nah Spiffy, I wasn't even thinking of your comment, its a general observation to the concept of sexuality being a "choice"
It is a way to break down something people do not like into a easy to change thing that the "them" are just being stubborn about not changing.
There is truth to that we can all "choose" to do that which we hate, I could choose to eat the horrible string bean (since I was a kid, my throat refuses to swallow that one bean)
They wouldn't kill me, I'm not allergic, I could force myself to eat them, I'd even loose lots of weight! Seems a miserable life though.
I've learned to enjoy many foods, but no one will convince my throat that string beans are good. No matter how hard I have tried to "choose" to eat them (and I have). |
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07/22/2011 01:49:42 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by hawkeyefilms:
I wonder how many DPCers are gay?... |
... and if not, who WOULD they be gay for?
I'd consider being gay for Brad Pitt, but he'd have to make the first move.
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