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07/13/2011 10:40:51 AM · #1
Thank you. I can do something with this...
07/13/2011 11:22:36 AM · #2
I can't wait to see what you do with...

B_LU_E

;-)

Message edited by author 2011-07-13 11:22:53.
07/13/2011 11:36:51 AM · #3
This should have "Difficulty: No sky."

I have a feeling we're going to see a loott of sky blue.
07/13/2011 12:29:32 PM · #4
wait, does the whole image need to be blue, or tinted blue, or just mostly blue?

also, since i've had this "argument" before, is the consensus that the Rule of Thirds applies to the thirds areas, or can it also apply to the intersection of the imaginary trisecting lines. so

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-mefnj

Message edited by author 2011-07-13 12:30:18.
07/13/2011 12:40:29 PM · #5
Originally posted by mefnjis:

is the consensus that the Rule of Thirds applies to the thirds areas, or can it also apply to the intersection of the imaginary trisecting lines.
-mefnj

Strictly speaking, I'd say the composition has to make use of the thirds dividing lines. So composition dividers (e.g., horizons) should be on thirds lines, as should the subject.

The intersections of thirds dividing lines are also, of course, on dividing lines.

I would say your first example isn't using the rule of thirds, because it's not using a thirds dividing line at all. I would just say it's in the corner.

All of that said, I'd suggest it's not necessary to be precisely on a line 0.33333333333 away from an edge.

But don't be centered, and don't be on the edge.

Message edited by author 2011-07-13 13:10:09.
07/13/2011 12:46:56 PM · #6
Originally posted by levyj413:

...and don't be on the edge.


I'm on the edge. I want a good entry!
07/13/2011 01:21:57 PM · #7
Originally posted by adigitalromance:

This should have "Difficulty: No sky."

I have a feeling we're going to see a loott of sky blue.


I'm with ya on this one. I predict a bunch of bird shots and lots and lots and lots of landscapes w/buildings or objects. zzzzzzzzz
07/13/2011 02:18:29 PM · #8
Originally posted by mefnj:

wait, does the whole image need to be blue, or tinted blue, or just mostly blue?

also, since i've had this "argument" before, is the consensus that the Rule of Thirds applies to the thirds areas, or can it also apply to the intersection of the imaginary trisecting lines. so

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-mefnj


The upper image is NOT rule-of-thirds. The lower image IS rule-of-thirds. ROT is about he intersections and lines, not about the spaces they carve out.

For ROT composition, if you have a horizon it should be on one of the two horizontal lines, and if you have a dominant vertical it should be on one of the two vertical lines. A non-linear subject should be centered on one of the 4 intersections. That's it in a nutshell.

I'm NOT saying that this is "how to make a good picture", because there are a lot of other factors to take into account compositionally. But I certainly AM saying that if you want to follow the rule-of-thirds, the bolded statement above is how to do it.

R.
07/13/2011 02:46:40 PM · #9
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:

wait, does the whole image need to be blue, or tinted blue, or just mostly blue?

also, since i've had this "argument" before, is the consensus that the Rule of Thirds applies to the thirds areas, or can it also apply to the intersection of the imaginary trisecting lines. so

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-mefnj


The upper image is NOT rule-of-thirds. The lower image IS rule-of-thirds. ROT is about he intersections and lines, not about the spaces they carve out.

For ROT composition, if you have a horizon it should be on one of the two horizontal lines, and if you have a dominant vertical it should be on one of the two vertical lines. A non-linear subject should be centered on one of the 4 intersections. That's it in a nutshell.

I'm NOT saying that this is "how to make a good picture", because there are a lot of other factors to take into account compositionally. But I certainly AM saying that if you want to follow the rule-of-thirds, the bolded statement above is how to do it.

R.


Thanks to you and evyj413 for your replies.

-mefnj
07/13/2011 08:26:20 PM · #10
Well said, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Bear_Music!!
07/13/2011 09:34:55 PM · #11
I like Bear's explanation, but should add that this isn't the be all/end all to rule of thirds. You can take a pretty complex composition (i.e. one having no clearly demarcated lines or points) and still compose it using this technique. Sight lines, vanishing points, and other less concrete things can also be fitted to the thirds grid. It's all about arrangement and balance, when you get down to it, to deliver a pleasing composition. It's not a geometry test. Voters take note.
07/15/2011 06:35:07 PM · #12
so, got how the ROT is generally defined...

what about opinions on the BLUE part of the challenge...

"does the whole image need to be blue, or tinted blue, the subject blue, or just mostly blue?"

-mefnj

Message edited by author 2011-07-15 18:35:31.
07/15/2011 06:55:15 PM · #13
LOL
07/15/2011 07:02:06 PM · #14
Lol, I love how this site manages to nit pick every single letter of every single word of every single sentence of every single challenge description to determine the EXACT meaning of what was mentioned for the challenge!! :)

Make this FUN and don't over analyze the details. Take the description at face value and run with it!

"Use blue as your primary color." To me.....I say ME....it means blue should be the primary color, but not necessarily the only color.....yet it can be.
07/15/2011 07:10:05 PM · #15
Part of the reason I laugh is because no matter what color blue you use and how perfectly you place it on the thirds line, somebody will complain that it DMNC. And if they don't say anything, they'll just give you a 1.

2 if they like it. :-D

I agree with ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' bergiekat, make it fun.
07/15/2011 09:10:33 PM · #16
Hmm, forgot about those SHADE of blue perception, lol!! Hope no one is color blind! :P
07/15/2011 09:50:33 PM · #17
can someone define "blue as your primary color"? does this mean most of your picture has to be blue or that your subject has to be mostly blue....i.e. a picture of a cloud in a blue sky would give you a mostly blue picture, while a naked woman wearing blue undies would give you your subject being blue...
07/15/2011 10:05:46 PM · #18
Originally posted by houstonian:

can someone define "blue as your primary color"? does this mean most of your picture has to be blue or that your subject has to be mostly blue....i.e. a picture of a cloud in a blue sky would give you a mostly blue picture, while a naked woman wearing blue undies would give you your subject being blue...


My take on it is that the image should be largely monochromatic, with blue the dominant color. I think the use of "primary" in the description was a bad mistake on the part of the posters, actually, as it leads to confusion with the concept of "primary colors". Anyway, I think if your image is mostly blue you'll be fine, that's how I'd expect most voters to see it. So a full moon rising in a dark-blue sky would fit the challenge if the moon was on an ROT intersection, ditto for a boat of any color on a turquoise sea, a single tortoise-shell button in a royal blue sweater, you get the idea.

Of course, that's just *my* take on it.

R.
07/15/2011 10:35:21 PM · #19
I think that either one of these images would work... Too bad neither was shot during the dates... :)

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As to how they would have scored??? Well, they're no ribbon winners that's for sure, but I think they would have met the challenge at the very least, and at this point, that's all I can hope for :)
07/15/2011 10:57:08 PM · #20
wow... I read it completely different. I thought the subject should be blue not the whole picture. I would have thought a seagull on the thirds in a blue sky was DNMC. Though a bluebird sitting on the thirds with a brown bluebird house taking up the rest of the shot would fit the challenge perfectly.

wow...
07/15/2011 11:48:56 PM · #21
What is the mindframe of a ribbon winner? Does the ribbon winner say, "This is a ribbon winner."?
07/15/2011 11:52:23 PM · #22
Originally posted by vawendy:

wow... I read it completely different. I thought the subject should be blue not the whole picture. I would have thought a seagull on the thirds in a blue sky was DNMC. Though a bluebird sitting on the thirds with a brown bluebird house taking up the rest of the shot would fit the challenge perfectly.

wow...

I think I like your interpretation better. I think a bluebird would fit the challenge just fine, even if the background wasn't blue.
07/16/2011 12:25:52 AM · #23
Originally posted by vawendy:

wow... I read it completely different. I thought the subject should be blue not the whole picture. I would have thought a seagull on the thirds in a blue sky was DNMC. Though a bluebird sitting on the thirds with a brown bluebird house taking up the rest of the shot would fit the challenge perfectly.

wow...

I would consider the bluebird version DNMC. I interpreted it like Bear, that the predominant colour should be blue

ETA. Reading this thread, I now know I will not enter. ETA. Well maybe I will, but with low expectations (what's new there?)

Message edited by author 2011-07-16 03:57:17.
07/16/2011 10:06:15 AM · #24
Can you use Photoshop replace color in a basic challenge? Might help to get more blue.
07/16/2011 10:36:49 AM · #25
Originally posted by cloudsme:

Originally posted by vawendy:

wow... I read it completely different. I thought the subject should be blue not the whole picture. I would have thought a seagull on the thirds in a blue sky was DNMC. Though a bluebird sitting on the thirds with a brown bluebird house taking up the rest of the shot would fit the challenge perfectly.

wow...

I think I like your interpretation better. I think a bluebird would fit the challenge just fine, even if the background wasn't blue.


To me both meet the challenge (and there are probably others as well) why would your restrict yourself to just one iterpertation? Anyone else see it this way?
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