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06/03/2011 01:30:00 PM · #1 |
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing.
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. I think street photography reminds people that photography doesn't haven't to be perfect to be compelling. Many of the photos that came in the top 20 were technically flawed. But the challenge was more about capturing the moment than perfect technicals. Take the top 20 and look carefully at each one. What would they have scored in a free study? A number of them would have fared very poorly -- yet they are truly wonderful shots.
I think having a monthly street photography challenge would remind people that it's not just about perfection, it's about stories and moments. It helps widen the appreciate of all types of photography.
I know we have street photography side challenges, but I think this is a good thing for people to explore, not just those who enjoy street photography. It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
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06/03/2011 01:40:41 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing.
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. I think street photography reminds people that photography doesn't haven't to be perfect to be compelling. Many of the photos that came in the top 20 were technically flawed. But the challenge was more about capturing the moment than perfect technicals. Take the top 20 and look carefully at each one. What would they have scored in a free study? A number of them would have fared very poorly -- yet they are truly wonderful shots.
I think having a monthly street photography challenge would remind people that it's not just about perfection, it's about stories and moments. It helps widen the appreciate of all types of photography.
I know we have street photography side challenges, but I think this is a good thing for people to explore, not just those who enjoy street photography. It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
Totally agree |
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06/03/2011 01:43:04 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Take the top 20 and look carefully at each one. What would they have scored in a free study? A number of them would have fared very poorly |
Yup. I had figured my entry for a mid 5 at best, and I am sure it would have done that in any other challenge.
Originally posted by vawendy:
It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
It's not the only genre that is a tough sell. You can add abstract photography to that list.
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06/03/2011 01:47:29 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. |
I'd love to see that as well but in order to make it more accessible I think calling it something more general would be better (ex. everyday life or candid photography). That way those who don't live in or near a big city will feel like they could enter without the fear of DNMC.
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06/03/2011 01:54:26 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by vawendy:
It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
It's not the only genre that is a tough sell. You can add abstract photography to that list. |
Amen! |
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06/03/2011 02:05:27 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing.
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. I think street photography reminds people that photography doesn't haven't to be perfect to be compelling. Many of the photos that came in the top 20 were technically flawed. But the challenge was more about capturing the moment than perfect technicals. Take the top 20 and look carefully at each one. What would they have scored in a free study? A number of them would have fared very poorly -- yet they are truly wonderful shots.
I think having a monthly street photography challenge would remind people that it's not just about perfection, it's about stories and moments. It helps widen the appreciate of all types of photography.
I know we have street photography side challenges, but I think this is a good thing for people to explore, not just those who enjoy street photography. It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
Oddly enough, I found his work to expand well beyond the category of "street photography" (or maybe I just have too narrow a definition). His work appeared to encompass a plethora of human moments that seemed more universal that the term "street photography" would suggest. But what do I know? I didn't even enter the challenge, but would certainly look forward to a monthly topic of this type of which I may be brave enough to enter!
Love this idea, Wendy! |
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06/03/2011 02:25:11 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing.
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. I think street photography reminds people that photography doesn't haven't to be perfect to be compelling. Many of the photos that came in the top 20 were technically flawed. But the challenge was more about capturing the moment than perfect technicals. Take the top 20 and look carefully at each one. What would they have scored in a free study? A number of them would have fared very poorly -- yet they are truly wonderful shots.
I think having a monthly street photography challenge would remind people that it's not just about perfection, it's about stories and moments. It helps widen the appreciate of all types of photography.
I know we have street photography side challenges, but I think this is a good thing for people to explore, not just those who enjoy street photography. It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
Oddly enough, I found his work to expand well beyond the category of "street photography" (or maybe I just have too narrow a definition). His work appeared to encompass a plethora of human moments that seemed more universal that the term "street photography" would suggest. But what do I know? I didn't even enter the challenge, but would certainly look forward to a monthly topic of this type of which I may be brave enough to enter!
Love this idea, Wendy! |
Definitely it went beyond street photography. Feel free to come up with a broader, more inclusive title. :D |
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06/03/2011 02:25:57 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing. |
I found most of the entries middling. I don't think Cartier-Bresson was well represented, any more than any other "master" could be represented by a group of amateurs shooting for a week in an off-the-cuff competition. The result was a good representation of the kind of photos most prevalent at the site.
A monthly street/candid photography challenge will result in more of the same, in my view. If the entries in this challenge would not fare well in any other challenge, perhaps there's a reason, and perhaps it has less to do with what "sells" here than with what the majority of players grasp as belonging to a particular genre or style.
Dedicating a challenge to a series of photographs that would do poorly otherwise is not a good idea, in my opinion, unless it's followed up by some serious scores and some serious education as a result.
Btw, I correctly predicted that jagar would win this competition before and during the challenge without explicitly knowing his entry. :P
Message edited by author 2011-06-03 14:27:32. |
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06/03/2011 02:28:04 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. |
I'd love to see that as well but in order to make it more accessible I think calling it something more general would be better (ex. everyday life or candid photography). That way those who don't live in or near a big city will feel like they could enter without the fear of DNMC. |
Excellent idea.
Anything that relieves the percieved restrictions of technical perfection to obtain a high score is a worthwhile exercise. |
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06/03/2011 02:30:26 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Louis:
a group of amateurs shooting for a week in an off-the-cuff competition. |
Well, that what we ARE. A bunch of imitative hacks.
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06/03/2011 02:36:29 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing. |
Dedicating a challenge to a series of photographs that would do poorly otherwise is not a good idea, in my opinion, unless it's followed up by some serious scores and some serious education as a result.
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For those who know nothing, experience is a great educator.
The more we have of this type of challenge, the better people will get.
Practice doesn't make perfect, but it usually helps people get better.
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06/03/2011 02:39:55 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Dedicating a challenge to a series of photographs that would do poorly otherwise is not a good idea, in my opinion, unless it's followed up by some serious scores and some serious education as a result. |
Did I hear you volunteer to give us all a class?!
How sweet...thank you,  Louis...>;-) |
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06/03/2011 02:42:53 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Louis:
I found most of the entries middling. I don't think Cartier-Bresson was well represented, any more than any other "master" could be represented by a group of amateurs shooting for a week in an off-the-cuff competition. The result was a good representation of the kind of photos most prevalent at the site.
A monthly street/candid photography challenge will result in more of the same, in my view. If the entries in this challenge would not fare well in any other challenge, perhaps there's a reason, and perhaps it has less to do with what "sells" here than with what the majority of players grasp as belonging to a particular genre or style.
Dedicating a challenge to a series of photographs that would do poorly otherwise is not a good idea, in my opinion, unless it's followed up by some serious scores and some serious education as a result.
Btw, I correctly predicted that jagar would win this competition before and during the challenge without explicitly knowing his entry. :P |
I think you are being too harsh. Even though I agree that most of the entries are not up to the HCB level (would be naive to expect that) and many are not even in his spirit, it is still not the same "kind of photos most prevalent at the site", and it was refreshing. Give us some credit, at least there were no sunsets, water drops, or wine glasses :). And the photo that came out on top is I think a very good rendition of HCB style and substance (I also called it, not before but during the voting).
I think it is a great idea to have a regular challenge which is being judged by a different set of criteria then DPC-standard. Anything that takes people away from this stifling mold is great. I support this.
Message edited by author 2011-06-03 14:44:36. |
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06/03/2011 02:47:19 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing. |
I found most of the entries middling. I don't think Cartier-Bresson was well represented, any more than any other "master" could be represented by a group of amateurs shooting for a week in an off-the-cuff competition. The result was a good representation of the kind of photos most prevalent at the site.
A monthly street/candid photography challenge will result in more of the same, in my view. If the entries in this challenge would not fare well in any other challenge, perhaps there's a reason, and perhaps it has less to do with what "sells" here than with what the majority of players grasp as belonging to a particular genre or style.
Dedicating a challenge to a series of photographs that would do poorly otherwise is not a good idea, in my opinion, unless it's followed up by some serious scores and some serious education as a result.
Btw, I correctly predicted that jagar would win this competition before and during the challenge without explicitly knowing his entry. :P |
To misquote the bible
Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is on account of these very sins the Louis' Anger is coming upon the disobedient.
Message edited by author 2011-06-03 15:04:31. |
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06/03/2011 02:54:18 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing. |
I found most of the entries middling. I don't think Cartier-Bresson was well represented, any more than any other "master" could be represented by a group of amateurs shooting for a week in an off-the-cuff competition. The result was a good representation of the kind of photos most prevalent at the site.
A monthly street/candid photography challenge will result in more of the same, in my view. If the entries in this challenge would not fare well in any other challenge, perhaps there's a reason, and perhaps it has less to do with what "sells" here than with what the majority of players grasp as belonging to a particular genre or style.
Dedicating a challenge to a series of photographs that would do poorly otherwise is not a good idea, in my opinion, unless it's followed up by some serious scores and some serious education as a result.
Btw, I correctly predicted that jagar would win this competition before and during the challenge without explicitly knowing his entry. :P |
I think the education would come over time as the entries gradually improve. It would be great if there were discussions afterwards to facilitate that learning. Heck, maybe it would even attract more seasoned photographers who shoot this sort of thing or at the very least plug the hole so we keep the ones we have now.
Message edited by author 2011-06-03 14:56:08.
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06/03/2011 03:11:19 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing.
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. I think street photography reminds people that photography doesn't haven't to be perfect to be compelling. Many of the photos that came in the top 20 were technically flawed. But the challenge was more about capturing the moment than perfect technicals. Take the top 20 and look carefully at each one. What would they have scored in a free study? A number of them would have fared very poorly -- yet they are truly wonderful shots.
I think having a monthly street photography challenge would remind people that it's not just about perfection, it's about stories and moments. It helps widen the appreciate of all types of photography.
I know we have street photography side challenges, but I think this is a good thing for people to explore, not just those who enjoy street photography. It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
Oddly enough, I found his work to expand well beyond the category of "street photography" (or maybe I just have too narrow a definition). His work appeared to encompass a plethora of human moments that seemed more universal that the term "street photography" would suggest. But what do I know? I didn't even enter the challenge, but would certainly look forward to a monthly topic of this type of which I may be brave enough to enter!
Love this idea, Wendy! |
Definitely it went beyond street photography. Feel free to come up with a broader, more inclusive title. :D |
OK, so you don't repeat what yanko already said, but you ask a question that yanko has already answered... I think that's a "half-yanko"? |
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06/03/2011 03:14:29 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I think the education would come over time as the entries gradually improve. It would be great if there were discussions afterwards to facilitate that learning. |
That would be my hope. I would support any initiative that would fill the forums with discussion of individual photos in a technically- or stylistically-oriented challenge, that would bring the deep commenting and high-level critique into the public space. It would only be worthwhile, in my view, if the result was a serious interest in the challenge fallout. |
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06/03/2011 04:25:05 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing.
I wish that there was a monthly street photography challenge -- not a side challenge. I think street photography reminds people that photography doesn't haven't to be perfect to be compelling. Many of the photos that came in the top 20 were technically flawed. But the challenge was more about capturing the moment than perfect technicals. Take the top 20 and look carefully at each one. What would they have scored in a free study? A number of them would have fared very poorly -- yet they are truly wonderful shots.
I think having a monthly street photography challenge would remind people that it's not just about perfection, it's about stories and moments. It helps widen the appreciate of all types of photography.
I know we have street photography side challenges, but I think this is a good thing for people to explore, not just those who enjoy street photography. It is well known that street photography is a tough sell here. Perhaps it just needs to be sold more often. :) |
Oddly enough, I found his work to expand well beyond the category of "street photography" (or maybe I just have too narrow a definition). His work appeared to encompass a plethora of human moments that seemed more universal that the term "street photography" would suggest. But what do I know? I didn't even enter the challenge, but would certainly look forward to a monthly topic of this type of which I may be brave enough to enter!
Love this idea, Wendy! |
Definitely it went beyond street photography. Feel free to come up with a broader, more inclusive title. :D |
OK, so you don't repeat what yanko already said, but you ask a question that yanko has already answered... I think that's a "half-yanko"? |
Don't blame her. I forgot to turn off my invisibility.
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06/03/2011 04:32:54 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by posthumous:
OK, so you don't repeat what yanko already said, but you ask a question that yanko has already answered... I think that's a "half-yanko"? |
Don't blame her. I forgot to turn off my invisibility. |
Wendy!...at last we've figured out his special super power...;-P
Message edited by author 2011-06-03 16:33:39. |
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06/03/2011 04:52:37 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by posthumous:
OK, so you don't repeat what yanko already said, but you ask a question that yanko has already answered... I think that's a "half-yanko"? |
Don't blame her. I forgot to turn off my invisibility. |
Wendy!...at last we've figured out his special super power...;-P |
...and I got the other half, or maybe a quarter. |
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06/03/2011 05:36:15 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Anything that relieves the perceived restrictions of technical perfection to obtain a high score is a worthwhile exercise. |
LevTEven though I agree that most of the entries are not up to the HCB level (would be naive to expect that) and many are not even in his spirit, it is still not the same "kind of photos most prevalent at the site", and it was refreshing. Give us some credit, at least there were no sunsets, water drops, or wine glasses :). And the photo that came out on top is I think a very good rendition of HCB style and substance (I also called it, not before but during the voting).
I think it is a great idea to have a regular challenge which is being judged by a different set of criteria then DPC-standard. Anything that takes people away from this stifling mold is great. I support this. LevT
I bump these ideas up.
And thanks Wendy for starting a discussion AFTER a challenge about the overall approach and various ideas and level of editing and/or processing. Thus a lot of hurt feelings will be soothed also. Plus we'll all evaluate our entry better, independently of its placement.
The HCB was the only challenge where my 4 out of my 5 favorite pictures were among the first 20 after the voting.
I have to add 2 of my comments that I made during the voting process, in the same vein with our topic.
To jagar
"A jewel of an image. Benefits from being taken, I believe, "dans la douce France".
Never mind that though. It has the entire flavor of a moment of childhood. gets directly to my heart."
To mitalapo my judgment of the image being in the top 5 proved to be incorrect but this is the comment:
"I like very much this image with your moonstruck models. Must say that here the minimal editing makes it so candid and gives so much movement to the composition. Sometimes it's good to be forcefully refrained to sharpen every pebble. Top 5" |
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06/03/2011 06:27:08 PM · #22 |
Ben, you are my hero...::beams::
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06/03/2011 07:14:07 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I know that some people said they were disappointed with the entries in the HCB challenge, but I found it completely refreshing. |
I found most of the entries middling. I don't think Cartier-Bresson was well represented, any more than any other "master" could be represented by a group of amateurs shooting for a week in an off-the-cuff competition. The result was a good representation of the kind of photos most prevalent at the site.
A monthly street/candid photography challenge will result in more of the same, in my view. If the entries in this challenge would not fare well in any other challenge, perhaps there's a reason, and perhaps it has less to do with what "sells" here than with what the majority of players grasp as belonging to a particular genre or style.
Dedicating a challenge to a series of photographs that would do poorly otherwise is not a good idea, in my opinion, unless it's followed up by some serious scores and some serious education as a result.
Btw, I correctly predicted that jagar would win this competition before and during the challenge without explicitly knowing his entry. :P |
Holy bejeezus. That's a whole lot of pretentious wank. |
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06/03/2011 08:07:52 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by posthumous:
OK, so you don't repeat what yanko already said, but you ask a question that yanko has already answered... I think that's a "half-yanko"? |
Don't blame her. I forgot to turn off my invisibility. |
Wendy!...at last we've figured out his special super power...;-P |
I live to serve! :D |
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06/03/2011 08:23:14 PM · #25 |
Well, Richard, you know I adore you and thank you for graciously allowing me to see the invisibility of your post(s)...;-)
::stares sheepishly at toes::
Wendy, I'm on vacation for the rest of the week! Have fun!
Bye bye!
-M
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