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05/30/2011 08:32:03 AM · #1
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Really don't know how to feel about the result of my photo ThePinkAroundYou on the COLORonCOLOR challenge.
Thanks to the positive comments but..... I'm the last one!
I definitely DO not deserve a ribbon, but DO I really deserve to be the last?

I really think I am offended by that challenge and seriously thinking that this is not a serious place.
05/30/2011 08:40:25 AM · #2
First off, the picture isn't bad at all. It just doesn't meet the challenge. You've got this pink wall with really no other pink against it. Put this in another challenge, like street photography, and it would have scored a lot better.
05/30/2011 08:42:27 AM · #3
I remember your photo. I don't understand why it got Brown Ribbon. But look at it in another way - it is quite difficult to get a Brown Ribbon for a photo you like! :)
05/30/2011 08:43:34 AM · #4
thanks for your suggestion. From my point of view there are 2 different walls there with stairs in the middle...
05/30/2011 08:44:54 AM · #5
Yes, great picture, but with all the respect this can be black on pink.
05/30/2011 08:53:33 AM · #6
I suppose you could leave because your idea of a good picture didn't do well.
Or you could stick around and learn from some really talented photographers. As far as how serious this place is? You won't find a much better place, maybe a site like 1X has as many talented people (although many of the photogs here are published there as well) but you will never find a site where so many talented people are so willing to share information and techniques with you.
05/30/2011 09:18:17 AM · #7
I find it interesting that you continue to argue that your work is the 'real' stuff and those that end up with good scores (specifically those that you call out as studio etc) are not real. It is absolutely within your right and prerogative to shoot and enter any shot that you find interesting and on topic. But to suggest, as you have on several occasions, that crafted and set up and planned shots are not as worthy is probably a wrong direction to head. People often vote higher for what is pretty, what is executed with high technical skill, and what they find interesting. It should be remembered that when entering a challenge, you are trying to reach an audience. If you make it easy for your audience to connect, they will reward you. If it is more of a challenge to connect to the image, a few will love it and most will dismiss it.

I would suggest to you that if you are interested in scoring highly in challenge (that is not the only goal one can have here at DPC!), then inspecting and learning from those high scoring images is valuable. If on the other hand, your goal is to show others your view on life, the challenge criteria, etc. then enter exactly what you want and do not in any way worry about the scores.

Based on the sample of entries you have made to date, you have a vision that is yours, go with it and explore it, refine it, and define it. You will improve your eye for what it is you want to show, and maybe sometime, the rest of the crowd will begin to appreciate that vision.

Message edited by author 2011-05-30 09:22:14.
05/30/2011 09:18:41 AM · #8
Participation at DPC is a character building experience, if you survive the gauntlet.

My brown ribbon is one of my favorite photos. Your new brown ribbon is a very good photo. I understand your interpretation of the challenge. It was a good take. Don't let anyone get your goat.

There should be more tolerance of the wide interpretations of challenges. Just ignore those who try to impart negative energy with their narrow minds.

This is a good site with a preponderance of great photographers with big hearts and generous attitudes. They just aren't as visible as the antagonists.
05/30/2011 09:28:05 AM · #9
thanks hahn23 & bassbone &margaretN

I will definitely shoot in my way, refining definitely as I'm already doing from great professional people around here. If I am disappointed in front of a nice picture I did, that got a brown ribbon, well smardaz, I appreciate your NON cooperation.
05/30/2011 09:52:19 AM · #10
In answer to your question. I believe the classic phases are;

Anger - "How dare they give me such low scores?"
Disappointment - "I got the brown! wtf?"
Embarrassment - "How can I ever show my face in the forums again?"
Resignation - "What the hell, I'll give up photography"
Realization - "But I'll be a forum smart-arse for another few years, that's more fun"
05/30/2011 09:56:48 AM · #11
Originally posted by JH:

In answer to your question. I believe the classic phases are;

Anger - "How dare they give me such low scores?"
Disappointment - "I got the brown! wtf?"
Embarrassment - "How can I ever show my face in the forums again?"
Resignation - "What the hell, I'll give up photography"
Realization - "But I'll be a forum smart-arse for another few years, that's more fun"

Nice going but I think the last point needs more work :)))

Message edited by author 2011-05-30 09:58:27.
05/30/2011 10:20:42 AM · #12
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:

thanks hahn23 & bassbone &margaretN

I will definitely shoot in my way, refining definitely as I'm already doing from great professional people around here. If I am disappointed in front of a nice picture I did, that got a brown ribbon, well smardaz, I appreciate your NON cooperation.


I'm not really sure what you mean by this, I'm giving you the best advice I can. Leaving a place of great learning becuase a vast majority of people did not like your shot is fine. If you think you have nothing to learn and this place is not serious then thats up to you. It seems to me, as I always say in these types of threads, that there are 2 kinds of people in this situation. Those who truly find this place is not for them or feel they have outgrown it just leave. They don't make a production out of it.

The other kind, post a thread declaring they don't like the place and are thinking they want to leave. They do this, in my opinion, in the hopes that many will reply, tell them their photos are great and ask them not to leave.

All I'm saying is if you want to go, then go. If you have a shot that came in dead last, and people offer their opinion as to why and it's STILL not good enough for you, then there is nothing else we can offer.
05/30/2011 10:32:02 AM · #13
The challenge description is what voters use in determining their scores. This particular challenge description states "Take a picture of a colored subject or subjects on the same color background."

I think that the problem voters had with your photo is that the subject is not defined specifically enough. Are the pink stairs the main subject? Is the pointing man in the black suit the main subject? (against a pink wall) Are the people in movement on the stairs (none in pink) your intended main subject?

Your photo title fits your image perfectly. It would probably do well in a free study. However, in the weekly challenges voters are looking for closer adherence to the challenge description, IMHO. It is still your choice in how to interpret the challenge. But you must realize that the looser your interpretation, then sometimes lower scores should be expected.

Message edited by author 2011-05-30 10:35:34.
05/30/2011 11:12:32 AM · #14
You don't seem to be the kind of person who takes criticism well, but who probably needs it, and may benefit duly. Here's my take on your picture:

From the perspective of the subject, it's very hum-drum and commonplace, especially to suburban and urban dwellers. We've seen this sight -- a mall, or the marbled interior of some or other edifice of commerce -- a thousand times. There is nothing engaging at all about it in my view. The colour is pretty, but not otherwise important enough to elicit a more meaningful response in your viewer. The subjects at the bottom of the frame (you have indicated that the man is an important element) are cut off at the feet, always the mark of a carelessly framed or cropped image. It is otherwise framed poorly, in a very cramped manner that does nothing to help your picture.

Aside from those technicals, there is nothing particular bad, or good, about it. It's sharp enough, and the colours are nice. Otherwise, it says and does nothing, at least for this viewer.

For you, there should be an inevitable comparison with the blue ribbon winner in this challenge. Aside from virtually perfect composition, the subject matter of the winner is engaging because it's unusual for most people. The shot is expertly captured, and flawlessly produced. The post work is, at least in this small version, at a professional level. This is by all accounts a winning photograph taken with skill and worked on with deep knowledge of the tools. It happens to be exactly the opposite kind of picture I generally like, but there is no sense denying the expertise with which that picture was taken and worked on.

By contrast, your image is not reflective of skill with your camera and tools. You might be the world's best photographer, but you haven't proved it with your entry, in my view, for the reasons I've mentioned. If you take pictures of real life, as you've said, your interpretation of real life is not something I'm interested in, judging by your picture, since it elicits nothing but a sense of the prosaic and commonplace.

If you have a story to tell about real life, you should tell it, and doing so in the context of a challenge will show your skill with delivering your story. That might be a picture people would be interested in looking at and voting on.
05/30/2011 11:20:17 AM · #15
You owe 21.gif Louis a beer for taking the time to write that critique.
05/30/2011 11:29:26 AM · #16
Originally posted by Louis:

You don't seem to be the kind of person who takes criticism well, but who probably needs it, and may benefit duly. Here's my take on your picture:

From the perspective of the subject, it's very hum-drum and commonplace, especially to suburban and urban dwellers. We've seen this sight -- a mall, or the marbled interior of some or other edifice of commerce -- a thousand times. There is nothing engaging at all about it in my view. The colour is pretty, but not otherwise important enough to elicit a more meaningful response in your viewer. The subjects at the bottom of the frame (you have indicated that the man is an important element) are cut off at the feet, always the mark of a carelessly framed or cropped image. It is otherwise framed poorly, in a very cramped manner that does nothing to help your picture.

Aside from those technicals, there is nothing particular bad, or good, about it. It's sharp enough, and the colours are nice. Otherwise, it says and does nothing, at least for this viewer.

For you, there should be an inevitable comparison with the blue ribbon winner in this challenge. Aside from virtually perfect composition, the subject matter of the winner is engaging because it's unusual for most people. The shot is expertly captured, and flawlessly produced. The post work is, at least in this small version, at a professional level. This is by all accounts a winning photograph taken with skill and worked on with deep knowledge of the tools. It happens to be exactly the opposite kind of picture I generally like, but there is no sense denying the expertise with which that picture was taken and worked on.

By contrast, your image is not reflective of skill with your camera and tools. You might be the world's best photographer, but you haven't proved it with your entry, in my view, for the reasons I've mentioned. If you take pictures of real life, as you've said, your interpretation of real life is not something I'm interested in, judging by your picture, since it elicits nothing but a sense of the prosaic and commonplace.

If you have a story to tell about real life, you should tell it, and doing so in the context of a challenge will show your skill with delivering your story. That might be a picture people would be interested in looking at and voting on.


louis, well thanks a lot for your time, suggestions, advises and all the rest. I never said I deserve a blue ribbon. I have much respect for all the professional person around, with every blue ribbon and I really appreciate every effort in that sense. The winner photo, and many others, are definitely amazing. Just disappointed because I got the brown ribbon with (I think) a nice photo.
05/30/2011 11:29:57 AM · #17
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

You owe 21.gif Louis a beer for taking the time to write that critique.


Only if he likes Stella or Amstel :-)
05/30/2011 11:32:39 AM · #18
Louis this is a thankless job that you did, for which I tip my hat to you.
One comment though, one doesn't have to compare ones own picture with the blue ribbonned one only. On occasion, my favorites are not the one that get the ribbons. It surely depends. But that's why we participate here. I personally do not think that I can group tha majority to give me a ribbon, nor do I think that I deserve one neceserilly. But I do have a hell of a time!

Your comment was so thoughtful that I might take advantage of it!

Can't fix the spelling from this freaking thing. Darn!

Message edited by author 2011-05-30 11:34:24.
05/30/2011 11:35:14 AM · #19
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

You owe 21.gif Louis a beer for taking the time to write that critique.


Only if he likes Stella or Amstel :-)

Hey, Stella's my beer, though my heart belongs to Warsteiner.
05/30/2011 11:45:18 AM · #20
Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by danieletagliabue:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

You owe 21.gif Louis a beer for taking the time to write that critique.


Only if he likes Stella or Amstel :-)

Hey, Stella's my beer, though my heart belongs to Warsteiner.


Good choice here also.
05/30/2011 11:48:05 AM · #21
I was one of your "6" votes. i liked it. For some reason, I felt the lady's purse was the color on color. For me, that met the challenge so the rest of the point went to the quality of the image.

05/30/2011 11:55:23 AM · #22
Originally posted by kenskid:

I was one of your "6" votes. i liked it. For some reason, I felt the lady's purse was the color on color. For me, that met the challenge so the rest of the point went to the quality of the image.


thanks Ken, well ... :-), I noticed right now.
Btw, no, my intention was the 2 walls because they are separated by the stairs, then I was lucky that that man indicated with his finger, but I did not pay attention on his feet and when I trued again it was too late.
Thanks again btw, a Stella also for you
05/30/2011 12:36:10 PM · #23
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:

...seriously thinking that this is not a serious place.

If it was, I would have been ejected years ago.
05/30/2011 12:39:27 PM · #24
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:


Btw, no, my intention was the 2 walls because they are separated by the stairs


I am puzzled by this. The two parts of the wall are separated, with no overlap. The challenge asked for color on color, subject and background with similar color.

Two flowers side by side, or a person wearing the same color shirt and pants would have missed the mark as well. Two things with the same color does not set up the subject/background hierarchy called for in the challenge. There needed to be a defined subject and background for the colors to come into play. For me the 2 walls both acted as background, with no matching colored subjects in the frame.
05/30/2011 12:51:56 PM · #25
While not claiming that my entry in this challenge was brilliant, it did finish middle of the pack. Even then some people felt it didn't meet the challenge as the left side gives an illusion of being a flat wall. Perhaps if you had managed to do something similar with your staircase, you would have done better. But there are too many other colours (mainly the people) which seem to be the subject of the photo.

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