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05/20/2011 11:49:53 PM · #76
Is this a challenge as to who can get the best copy of a photo he took or do we literally do it in the style of, or a bit of both?
05/20/2011 11:58:06 PM · #77
Originally posted by supanova:

Is this a challenge as to who can get the best copy of a photo he took or do we literally do it in the style of, or a bit of both?


Originally posted by Challenge Topic:


Take a photograph in the style of this photographer who was famous for capturing candids at the "decisive moment".


I'd say in the style of

Message edited by author 2011-05-20 23:58:16.
05/21/2011 12:03:19 AM · #78
People,

I think the idea here is that an HCB photo, the *best* HCB photos, the most *famous* HCB photos, exhibit a certain spontaneity of seeing, of *vision*, that plunges you squarely into the moment and the place of their creation. And this has nothing to do with post processing, it's about using the camera as an extension of your mind.

The idea behind using minimal editing for this challenge, and it seems like a good idea to me, is to, as much as possible, force the "decisive moment" of these images into the *seeing*, which is where the master always began, and away from the PP aspect of things, where the seeing can be totally eclipsed by heavy applications of craft.

Why not just take the challenge for what it IS, and have some (spontaneous) fun with it? That's what I did, and I have an image I'm happy with that seems to me in the spirit of the occasion :-)

R.
05/21/2011 12:18:54 AM · #79
I forsee at least a dozen entries of the classic DPC candid...someone random walking down a street with their back to the camera (taken this way on purpose so the stranger doesn't know their picture is being taken).
05/21/2011 12:21:14 AM · #80
Probably true, Jason, but it's a first step. It means that someone who hasn't tried candids before is at least trying them. Timidly, to be sure, but trying. And that's the fun of challenges like these!
05/21/2011 12:25:15 AM · #81
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

<<<< First entry! Who'da thunk it?

R.


Where's the like button?
05/21/2011 12:26:09 AM · #82
Originally posted by Melethia:

Probably true, Jason, but it's a first step. It means that someone who hasn't tried candids before is at least trying them. Timidly, to be sure, but trying. And that's the fun of challenges like these!


I know, I know. It's not a good first step though. I can't imaging HCB just going around snapping his camera hoping to capture something. I think he sought things out or staked them out or was fast enough to catch the moment when he saw it. Too often, I think, people take the wrong tack and just start shooting almost at random and hope something comes out that seems to have meaning. I can speak to this because I'm a candid newbie myself and this was the way I found myself trying to get that great shot. I'm sure occasionally a gem will emerge from that technique, but not regularly and it's best to just try to observe (and later practice taking the shot) rather than not observing because you are too busy taking pictures.
05/21/2011 11:51:06 AM · #83
Took a few today but I'm not sure they're good enough.. perhaps too mundane and maybe the deliberately low contrast doesn't work.. will try again tomorrow morning.

Does anyone want a look to help me out?
05/21/2011 12:19:14 PM · #84
I thought it was interesting that HCB said he never cropped a photo.

Originally posted by salmiakki:

This is worth dipping into.

Interview with HCB
05/21/2011 12:21:02 PM · #85
Originally posted by Carlo21:

I thought it was interesting that HCB said he never cropped a photo.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner.
05/21/2011 12:36:59 PM · #86
Originally posted by Carlo21:

I thought it was interesting that HCB said he never cropped a photo.


Yes, exactly. Which is why I believe ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' yanko originally suggested this as a minimal editing challenge.

I've been watching the movie posted by ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' BrennanOB earlier in this thread. Really is very interesting.

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

If you liked the interview, rent Cartier-Bresson: The Impassioned Eye sometime.


Message edited by author 2011-05-21 12:37:42.
05/22/2011 09:23:07 AM · #87
This is a great example and they are LARGE
05/22/2011 10:55:31 AM · #88
I did a set yesterday and I have to say, the toning is way off - I took my little G11 but I'll venture again out with something that allows me a bit more control.
05/22/2011 12:30:00 PM · #89
Originally posted by Carlo21:

I thought it was interesting that HCB said he never cropped a photo.

I think it is a myth. Or maybe he didn't, but his editors or printers did it for him. Most of his photos are indeed 3:2, but there are exceptions. Anyway with all my admiration for HCB, I don't see much sense in this particular statement. What's wrong with slight cropping a frame if it Improves composition? Not all compositions require fixed aspect ratio arbitrarily imposed by the film manufacturer. And also given unpredictability of street photography, i find it is a good practice to give yourself a "safety cushion" around your composition, so unexpected can still be captured. But then in the final image you want to remove this cushion.
05/22/2011 01:01:23 PM · #90
Well, I guess I'm the only one who finds this challenge intimidating...::squeak of fright::

I've been through all the HBC photo albums on the internet and have toted my "The Family of Man" book around like the bible. But, to go out and pounce on the perfect decisive moment...that is a whole different way of connecting.

Long Live Landscapes!

::sigh::

05/22/2011 01:17:57 PM · #91
Originally posted by Henri Cartier-Bresson:

HCB: To me, photography is a simultaneous recognition in a fraction of a second of a significance of an event as well as of a precise organization of form which gives that event its proper expression. I believe that, for reactive living, the discovery of oneself is made concurrently with the discovery of the world around us, which can mold us, but which can also be affected by us. A balance must be established between these two worlds: the one inside us, and the one outside us. As the result of a constant reciprocal process, both these worlds come to form a single one. And it is this world that we must communicate.

But this takes care only of a content of a picture. For me, content cannot be separated from form. By form, I mean a rigorous geometrical organization of interplay of surfaces, lines and values. It is in this organization alone, that our conceptions and emotions become concrete and communicable. In photography, visual organization can stem only from a developed instinct.

First I would like to say that it is only a rule I established in myself, a certain discipline, but it is not a school, it's not a..it's very personal. And I think that we cannot separate what we have to say from the way we have to say it, how to speak.

Photography is in a way a mental process. We have to know what to, be clear, on what we want to say. Our conceptions, our, what we think of a certain situation, a certain problem. Photography is a way of writing it, of drawing, making sketches of it. And in the form, things are offered to us in daily life. We have to be alert and know when to pick the moment which is significant. Then, it's just intuition. It's instinct. We don't know why, we press at a certain moment. It comes, it is there, it's given. Take it. Everything is there, it is a question of chance, but you have to pick and force chance to come to you. There's a certain will.


From this wonderful website, "American Suburb X": explore!

R.
05/22/2011 01:55:50 PM · #92
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

People,

I think the idea here is that an HCB photo, the *best* HCB photos, the most *famous* HCB photos, exhibit a certain spontaneity of seeing, of *vision*, that plunges you squarely into the moment and the place of their creation. And this has nothing to do with post processing, it's about using the camera as an extension of your mind.

The idea behind using minimal editing for this challenge, and it seems like a good idea to me, is to, as much as possible, force the "decisive moment" of these images into the *seeing*, which is where the master always began, and away from the PP aspect of things, where the seeing can be totally eclipsed by heavy applications of craft.

Why not just take the challenge for what it IS, and have some (spontaneous) fun with it? That's what I did, and I have an image I'm happy with that seems to me in the spirit of the occasion :-)

R.


yes yes!
05/22/2011 02:14:29 PM · #93
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


From this wonderful website, "American Suburb X": explore!

R.

Great website, thanks for sharing.
05/22/2011 02:23:24 PM · #94
Originally posted by hihosilver:

But, to go out and pounce on the perfect decisive moment...that is a whole different way of connecting.


As it relates to the Holy Grail decisive moment, I recall reading that HCB took several shots of a scene ("burst mode" in today's digital lingo) and later, chose only one. Picking out the decisive moment, then, was not a matter of knowing when to shoot but knowing which of those several shots was the "decisive" one...
05/22/2011 02:57:44 PM · #95
I had a dream last night about posing for this random old guy with a Leica.. The results were all shadowy and black/white. I just realized who I was dreaming about. Lol!

And I have my backup decisive moment. Going to wait out for something better

Message edited by author 2011-05-22 15:07:35.
05/22/2011 02:57:51 PM · #96
It's ironic that the image HCB is best know for as an example of his desire for un-cropped images, the "Decisive Moment", is one of supposedly only 2 images of his that was cropped. :-)

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05/22/2011 03:23:09 PM · #97
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by hihosilver:

But, to go out and pounce on the perfect decisive moment...that is a whole different way of connecting.


As it relates to the Holy Grail decisive moment, I recall reading that HCB took several shots of a scene ("burst mode" in today's digital lingo) and later, chose only one. Picking out the decisive moment, then, was not a matter of knowing when to shoot but knowing which of those several shots was the "decisive" one...


Mmmmm...a series makes sense! ::Beams at Brian::
05/22/2011 04:08:44 PM · #98
Originally posted by CJinCA:

It's ironic that the image HCB is best know for as an example of his desire for un-cropped images, the "Decisive Moment", is one of supposedly only 2 images of his that was cropped. :-)

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He cropped AND EDITED that photo!! DQ him! He didn't follow the rules!!
05/22/2011 04:21:08 PM · #99
Originally posted by vawendy:

He cropped AND EDITED that photo!! DQ him! He didn't follow the rules!!

As a rule he didn't crop his photos, and that's the spirit of this challenge. You obvoiusly found an exception. No one claimed there weren't any.

You seem to rely very heavily on cropping, Wendy. I think this challenge might be good for you.
05/22/2011 04:28:59 PM · #100
WOW! this is dream come true ;)
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