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04/30/2011 05:45:31 PM · #1
Speaks for Itself

Btw I'm an idiot...Straight From The Camera

Message edited by author 2011-04-30 17:50:17.
04/30/2011 06:01:41 PM · #2
Maybe we could call it Mimimal Editing!

04/30/2011 06:07:19 PM · #3
Originally posted by bassbone:

Maybe we could call it Mimimal Editing!


Oh you are a genius...now why didn't I think of that. Hehehehehe.....!!!! Bring it on...whatever it is...Minimal Editing or STFC!!

(Mind you...I like the sound of STFC...it sounds like what I mumble under my breath when someone pisses me off!!!!) Hehehehehe!
04/30/2011 06:23:00 PM · #4
Originally posted by Judi:

](Mind you...I like the sound of STFC...it sounds like what I mumble under my breath when someone pisses me off!!!!) Hehehehehe![/i]


OH YEAH, Judi mumbling under her breath....sure,sure I bet that happens all the time eh Judi,,,:O)

Ray
04/30/2011 06:24:38 PM · #5
There's no such thing as "absolutely no editing in-camera" except if you shoot RAW; and if you shoot RAW, there's no such thing as "absolutely no editing after download" — so absolutely every entry is DNMC and, if the challenge is flagged, will be DQ'd... So I'm all for it, a sure way to get my brown ribbon at last (along with all other entrants).

R.
04/30/2011 06:47:46 PM · #6
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

There's no such thing as "absolutely no editing in-camera" except if you shoot RAW; and if you shoot RAW, there's no such thing as "absolutely no editing after download" — so absolutely every entry is DNMC and, if the challenge is flagged, will be DQ'd... So I'm all for it, a sure way to get my brown ribbon at last (along with all other entrants).

R.


Yep! "Straight From Camera" means

I will deny myself any use of post processing techniques to achieve my vision for this image, so I will instead avail myself of all the in-camera choices of sharpening, color intensity (neutral, vivid), contrast, d-lighting. noise reduction, color balance, jpeg size and aspect ratio choices, in addition to exposure settings to get a jpeg as close as possible to what I want using the computer in the camera, instead of shooting RAW and doing those same things by using the computer on my desk. I will say this is somehow more "pure".

And all of that happens before/at exposure, and before one uses any of the post-processing tools that may be present in the particular camera model.

Choosing arbitrary, artificial boundaries is fine--just know that they are, in fact, arbitrary and artificial.

What matters to me in the photographic process is the Retina To Retina, Mind To Mind, Soul To Soul process: from my retina when I see something to photograph, to my retina when I see the completed image (the inner loop, if you will) to the viewers' retinas after that (the outer loop). Drawing a dashed line in the middle somewhere and saying "straight from camera" or "pure photography" or "no editing" is just word games, whether you are talking about film, digital.

Maybe we should have an Uncalibrated Monitor Challenge, too....... :-)

So, as long as one is aware that "straight from camera" is just an arbitrary and artificial restriction as "digital camera only" or "phone camera only" or "black and white only" etc., it can be a fine, fun limitation to play with. If the idea is that "straight from camera" is somehow "real" or "pure" photography, well, it is self-delusion.

Message edited by author 2011-04-30 19:03:12.
04/30/2011 07:09:00 PM · #7
Every challenge is an uncalibrated monitor challenge for me. And for many of us there is nearly always a
a sweet set of abritrary/artificial(?) boundaries. I like 'em.
04/30/2011 07:15:51 PM · #8
Originally posted by tnun:

Every challenge is an uncalibrated monitor challenge for me. And for many of us there is nearly always a
a sweet set of abritrary/artificial(?) boundaries. I like 'em.


I agree :-) I impose constraints on myself sometimes, or I just HAVE constraints at the time (I only have my iphone with me, for example). I wasn't suggesting that these are bad or wrong.

There are some, though, who use the phrase "straight from camera" and mean something else than an arbitrary boundary.
05/13/2011 09:52:43 PM · #9
Ok....convert from RAW and resize...that's it....
05/13/2011 09:54:48 PM · #10
Take as JPG and BW :) no raw
05/13/2011 10:08:42 PM · #11
Why? What would the purpose be, the learning experience? Who are the ones who will benefit from that challenge? Maybe I am missing something. We had a challenge like that. Digital Photography without any processing is almost like leaving your old film in the fridge, never to be seen in true potential.
05/13/2011 10:18:48 PM · #12
Well, here is my original request for this


Why?

"I think this would be the "real" talent war, not only composition wise, but also who has the technical knowledge of their cameras. Maybe some of us learn that cameras have good in-camera-process options :O)"
05/13/2011 10:27:37 PM · #13
I'll pass, Editing photos is half the fun. An unedited digital photo is like the underpainting of a painting, I'd much rather look at the finished work.
05/13/2011 10:45:12 PM · #14
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Well, here is my original request for this


Why?

"I think this would be the "real" talent war, not only composition wise, but also who has the technical knowledge of their cameras. Maybe some of us learn that cameras have good in-camera-process options :O)"


Talent doesn't express the same way in every person. If my talent is more in the post side, it doesn't make it any less 'real' than your strength.
05/13/2011 11:09:44 PM · #15
IMHO, the digital camera has its own internal image processor to convert 'raw' to 'jpeg'. If we emphasize on blindly term "Straight From Camera" we will put away half of the photographer skill (post process) and competing for the camera manufacturer image processor.

Originally posted by chromeydome:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

There's no such thing as "absolutely no editing in-camera" except if you shoot RAW; and if you shoot RAW, there's no such thing as "absolutely no editing after download" — so absolutely every entry is DNMC and, if the challenge is flagged, will be DQ'd... So I'm all for it, a sure way to get my brown ribbon at last (along with all other entrants).

R.


Yep! "Straight From Camera" means

I will deny myself any use of post processing techniques to achieve my vision for this image, so I will instead avail myself of all the in-camera choices of sharpening, color intensity (neutral, vivid), contrast, d-lighting. noise reduction, color balance, jpeg size and aspect ratio choices, in addition to exposure settings to get a jpeg as close as possible to what I want using the computer in the camera, instead of shooting RAW and doing those same things by using the computer on my desk. I will say this is somehow more "pure".

And all of that happens before/at exposure, and before one uses any of the post-processing tools that may be present in the particular camera model.

Choosing arbitrary, artificial boundaries is fine--just know that they are, in fact, arbitrary and artificial.

What matters to me in the photographic process is the Retina To Retina, Mind To Mind, Soul To Soul process: from my retina when I see something to photograph, to my retina when I see the completed image (the inner loop, if you will) to the viewers' retinas after that (the outer loop). Drawing a dashed line in the middle somewhere and saying "straight from camera" or "pure photography" or "no editing" is just word games, whether you are talking about film, digital.

Maybe we should have an Uncalibrated Monitor Challenge, too....... :-)

So, as long as one is aware that "straight from camera" is just an arbitrary and artificial restriction as "digital camera only" or "phone camera only" or "black and white only" etc., it can be a fine, fun limitation to play with. If the idea is that "straight from camera" is somehow "real" or "pure" photography, well, it is self-delusion.


Message edited by author 2011-05-13 23:20:34.
05/13/2011 11:23:07 PM · #16
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Take as JPG and BW :) no raw


There's simply too much you can do in RAW for this to work.
05/13/2011 11:24:03 PM · #17
Originally posted by houstonian:

Ok....convert from RAW and resize...that's it....


So did you notice that the challenge announced yesterday is minimal editing? And according to the rules for minimal editing that means it is effectively as close to straight from the camera as you can get?

Originally posted by minimal editing rules:

Overview

Minimal Editing is intended as a “straight from the camera” test of skill, and allows only the adjustments essential to convert your original image into a form acceptable for submission on DPChallenge.


05/13/2011 11:30:01 PM · #18
Originally posted by Ken:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Take as JPG and BW :) no raw


There's simply too much you can do in RAW for this to work.


In general I agree. I much prefer RAW and post-processing. This a minimal edit entry from the last street challenge.

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05/13/2011 11:38:05 PM · #19
There are some good samples.

Unfortunately I deleted my samples, i rotate my photos often... however, others stills there.
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