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04/30/2011 12:22:16 PM · #26
Nah...people who don't drive should not pay taxes for roads....I guess we could also stop them from using any product or service that requires the road as a means of transporting that product to them.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

That gas wouldn't do you much good if the various government agencies hadn't collected those taxes to build and maintain the roads, and at least a tiny bit of those taxes goes to mitigate the environmental and health effects resulting from your automotive activities. Surely you don't think people who don't drive sould pay for those ...!
04/30/2011 01:30:32 PM · #27
Originally posted by PapaBob:

Campaniles are driven by money ...

???
I always thought they were driven by levers and ropes.
04/30/2011 01:33:44 PM · #28
Originally posted by kenskid:

Nah...people who don't drive should not pay taxes for roads....I guess we could also stop them from using any product or service that requires the road as a means of transporting that product to them.

You don't think that companies which transport goods (for profit) on the public roadways already include the cost of such transport (including fuel taxes) into the price of those goods?
04/30/2011 01:45:37 PM · #29
I'm not liking Apple a lot lately due to their draconian policies and lockdown of the i-devices, but they do make great products that people want.

I think the point of the OP is that he feels such profit margins to be obscenely high and unreasonable price gouging. This is simply how capitalism works.
04/30/2011 02:53:17 PM · #30
Kenskid, don't ever become a soldier in a covert war. You're like a magnet for friendly fire.
04/30/2011 02:59:32 PM · #31
I may be misinterpreting this, but it seems to me that the OP's original point, his reason for posting, is that he doesn't think it's reasonable to criticize the oil companies for "obscene profits" when some of OUR favorite companies post profit margins in excess of 20%. I think he was being satirical when he penned that entire post. I think people who are taking him seriously, and taking him to task for what they assume to be his actual position here, are falling right into his trap :-)

R.
04/30/2011 03:08:04 PM · #32
Originally posted by yanko:

Kenskid, don't ever become a soldier in a covert war. You're like a magnet for friendly fire.


Where's the like this post button?
04/30/2011 03:29:16 PM · #33
What? So you are telling me that the price I pay for goods, includes the price that the company is paying in taxes? So if a widget cost $100 to build (parts and labor), the company marks it up to say $120 (20% profit) they may still tack on more...say 25% to cover their taxes that a government charges them? Hence, making that $100 worth of widget's cost go up a portion of that 25%? And if that is the case, what if the government wants to add another tax to that company...say 5% more. Will that company pass any of that 5% on to me ? If so, is that legal?

My God...I can't believe that taxing a company actually makes MY costs go up and takes money out of MY pocket.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by kenskid:

Nah...people who don't drive should not pay taxes for roads....I guess we could also stop them from using any product or service that requires the road as a means of transporting that product to them.

You don't think that companies which transport goods (for profit) on the public roadways already include the cost of such transport (including fuel taxes) into the price of those goods?
04/30/2011 03:40:51 PM · #34
Originally posted by kenskid:

My God...I can't believe that taxing a company actually makes MY costs go up and takes money out of MY pocket.


Are you serious?

I'm a maker of widgets, and you are my sole customer: all the money I make, I make by selling widgets to you. I make exactly as much money, selling widgets to you, as I need to pay my rent on my apartment, my car insurance, my medical insurance, my grocery bills, etc etc.

The federal Government announces that they are henceforth going to add 2.5% to the tax bill of widget makers and crumpet dunkers and sunshine welders.

My cost-of-making-widgets just went up by 2.5% — why WOULDN'T I pass this on to you? I'll go bankrupt if I don't...

R.
04/30/2011 03:43:05 PM · #35
Originally posted by kenskid:

My God...I can't believe that taxing a company actually makes MY costs go up and takes money out of MY pocket.

Operating a company which can sell goods without regard for the cost of their manufacture, transport, and marketing, including materials, energy, overhead, taxes, and profits, must require true genius or accounting voodoo ... if you ever have a lecture where you explain how I can make something for $100 and sell it for $80 at a profit, I want to attend. Oh, wait ... I remember the punchline: you make up for it in volume ...
04/30/2011 03:51:07 PM · #36
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I may be misinterpreting this, but it seems to me that the OP's original point, his reason for posting, is that he doesn't think it's reasonable to criticize the oil companies for "obscene profits" when some of OUR favorite companies post profit margins in excess of 20%. I think he was being satirical when he penned that entire post. I think people who are taking him seriously, and taking him to task for what they assume to be his actual position here, are falling right into his trap :-)

R.


I could be wrong but it seems to me that everyone who is supporting company profit margins in this thread are not the same people arguing against Big Oil's profit margins and oil subsidies. In his quest to drum up support for a safer more general argument he has come across as anti-capitalism and naive by the side more likely to support his views. There's no need to argue with him. He'll just defeat himself. :P
04/30/2011 03:56:06 PM · #37
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I may be misinterpreting this, but it seems to me that the OP's original point, his reason for posting, is that he doesn't think it's reasonable to criticize the oil companies for "obscene profits" when some of OUR favorite companies post profit margins in excess of 20%. I think he was being satirical when he penned that entire post. I think people who are taking him seriously, and taking him to task for what they assume to be his actual position here, are falling right into his trap :-)

R.


Well, if that was his intent, he failed. With the lack of context (from a separate thread?) in his op, it just looked utterly irrational. If his "trap" was to get me to think he was being irrational and nonsensical, yep, I fell right into it. :D

Message edited by author 2011-04-30 15:57:37.
04/30/2011 04:03:15 PM · #38
Actually, based on latest post, I'm coming around on my thinking here :-)

R.
05/01/2011 05:26:19 PM · #39
Leaving the profits aside, I do note the sense of irony as Apple begins the inevitable "backlash" phase of its life. Back in the '90s and at the turn of the century Apple was our savior from the "evil empire". They cared about us while Microsoft was merely interested in money and domination. It sucks to put your faith in corporate America. Now Apple seems only interested in money and domination and within five years Apple will have lost it's cache with the hip crowd and they will be onto the next company that cares about them.
05/01/2011 06:12:07 PM · #40
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Leaving the profits aside, I do note the sense of irony as Apple begins the inevitable "backlash" phase of its life. Back in the '90s and at the turn of the century Apple was our savior from the "evil empire". They cared about us while Microsoft was merely interested in money and domination. It sucks to put your faith in corporate America. Now Apple seems only interested in money and domination and within five years Apple will have lost it's cache with the hip crowd and they will be onto the next company that cares about them.


That company seems to be Google, right now.
05/01/2011 06:22:36 PM · #41
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Leaving the profits aside, I do note the sense of irony as Apple begins the inevitable "backlash" phase of its life. Back in the '90s and at the turn of the century Apple was our savior from the "evil empire". They cared about us while Microsoft was merely interested in money and domination. It sucks to put your faith in corporate America. Now Apple seems only interested in money and domination and within five years Apple will have lost it's cache with the hip crowd and they will be onto the next company that cares about them.


That company seems to be Google, right now.


Hasn't caught on with the Norgwegian scuba hipsters yet.

Message edited by author 2011-05-01 18:22:54.
05/01/2011 06:38:45 PM · #42
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Leaving the profits aside, I do note the sense of irony as Apple begins the inevitable "backlash" phase of its life. Back in the '90s and at the turn of the century Apple was our savior from the "evil empire". They cared about us while Microsoft was merely interested in money and domination. It sucks to put your faith in corporate America. Now Apple seems only interested in money and domination and within five years Apple will have lost it's cache with the hip crowd and they will be onto the next company that cares about them.


That company seems to be Google, right now.


Hasn't caught on with the Norgwegian scuba hipsters yet.


HAHAHAHAHHAHAH. OMG, I just spit Guinness out my nose.
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