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04/23/2011 11:12:23 AM · #1
The results of the 'Warm Colors II' challenge have been recalculated, due to the disqualification of the former 2nd place image for failing to provide a valid original within the required timeframe. Congrats to our ribbon winners!
04/23/2011 11:28:08 AM · #2
Such a nice shot....I wonder if it was a case of not seeing the request or if this shot really was not taken during the challenge time frame.
04/23/2011 12:03:25 PM · #3
Originally posted by kenskid:

Such a nice shot....I wonder if it was a case of not seeing the request or if this shot really was not taken during the challenge time frame.

We don't know that it wasn't taken within the challenge submission time frame -- we never received the original. That could be for any number of reasons, but in any event the request is both posted on the user's home page and sent by email to the registered address -- plus the submission requirement is automatic for ribbon-winners. The time frame Manic referred to was that for submitting the original for validation.
04/23/2011 12:09:05 PM · #4
Darn, that's too bad... but failing to provide an original is a sure way to get DQ'd. He's entered 48 challenges, and been through the DQ process once before, so he should know.
04/23/2011 04:26:03 PM · #5
I have no idea if this is even an issue of consideration, but since we are in the midst of the Easter holidays, if it conceivable that this person might not even be home to receive email message?

Ray

Message edited by author 2011-04-23 16:26:20.
04/23/2011 04:49:24 PM · #6
Originally posted by RayEthier:

I have no idea if this is even an issue of consideration, but since we are in the midst of the Easter holidays, if it conceivable that this person might not even be home to receive email message?

Ray

The individuals that won and placed were each sent an email on Wednesday as soon as roll over happened - not very close to the weekend. And if someone thinks they have a good score and might ribbon or place, you have the opportunity to submit your original unedited file even before rollover in case you are away from your computer.

Message edited by author 2011-04-23 16:51:42.
04/23/2011 05:16:44 PM · #7
Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I have no idea if this is even an issue of consideration, but since we are in the midst of the Easter holidays, if it conceivable that this person might not even be home to receive email message?

Ray

The individuals that won and placed were each sent an email on Wednesday as soon as roll over happened - not very close to the weekend. And if someone thinks they have a good score and might ribbon or place, you have the opportunity to submit your original unedited file even before rollover in case you are away from your computer.

Agreed. And even if you're not doing well anyone can request that your photo be validated, even after rollover. If you're going to be away and want to eliminate the possibility of facing a DQ for not submitting the original, just preemptively submit the original. It takes a second.
04/23/2011 05:29:45 PM · #8
It's worth mentioning here that if you contact us, there's a good chance we'll give leeway in the uploading deadline if needed, so it's really only when we hear nothing from the user either before or after the validation request do we DQ for not providing original.
04/23/2011 05:39:38 PM · #9
Originally posted by bohemka:

...Agreed. And even if you're not doing well anyone can request that your photo be validated, even after rollover.


I know this will be very difficult to believe, but I was asked to provide the original of this fine piece of art . Luckily for me I had it. :O)

Ray

Message edited by author 2011-04-23 17:42:02.
04/23/2011 06:07:49 PM · #10
what do you mean Ray I have that image on my wall
04/23/2011 06:35:14 PM · #11
Originally posted by bohemka:

If you're going to be away and want to eliminate the possibility of facing a DQ for not submitting the original, just preemptively submit the original. It takes a second.


That may be the case for some people. But some of us still have slow internet connections which can make unnecessary uploading of big files a real problem.
04/23/2011 07:03:18 PM · #12
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by bohemka:

If you're going to be away and want to eliminate the possibility of facing a DQ for not submitting the original, just preemptively submit the original. It takes a second.


That may be the case for some people. But some of us still have slow internet connections which can make unnecessary uploading of big files a real problem.


That's certainly true, but it's sort of irrelevant. If I know you're not gonna be available during the period of voting/results posting, it's kind of my obligation to post an original to SC; the "contract I "signed" when I entered the image stated clearly that I'd respond to any request for my original within 48 hours.

And the thing of it is, whenever eventually-DQ'd images hang around for most, or all, of the "display week", we always hear from members who say it's "not fair" (I'm not saying you're one of them, Gina, just discussing the issues...) to the eventual bump-up ribboners, who never get their week in the sun. So it's sort of 'damned if we do and damned if we don't' for SC, isn't it?

R.
04/23/2011 07:30:20 PM · #13
I agree with Bear here. If you can't abide by the rules (whether it's a vacation, a slow internet connection or failing to set the date on your camera correctly) then simply don't enter! Don't expect the site to accomodate you when almost everyone else plays by the rules.
04/23/2011 07:38:17 PM · #14
They are very understanding if there are unforeseen circumstances. My mother has had health problems, and I traveled to Minnesota to help out. While I was there, I actually had two validation requests: a 2nd and a 4th place. It never occurred to me to submit my original before I left: I was concentrating too hard on family issues. When I saw the finish, I emailed them immediately and explained the situation. They were very understanding, and were willing to wait until I returned.
04/23/2011 08:10:42 PM · #15
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by bohemka:

If you're going to be away and want to eliminate the possibility of facing a DQ for not submitting the original, just preemptively submit the original. It takes a second.


That may be the case for some people. But some of us still have slow internet connections which can make unnecessary uploading of big files a real problem.


That's certainly true, but it's sort of irrelevant. If I know you're not gonna be available during the period of voting/results posting, it's kind of my obligation to post an original to SC; the "contract I "signed" when I entered the image stated clearly that I'd respond to any request for my original within 48 hours.

And the thing of it is, whenever eventually-DQ'd images hang around for most, or all, of the "display week", we always hear from members who say it's "not fair" (I'm not saying you're one of them, Gina, just discussing the issues...) to the eventual bump-up ribboners, who never get their week in the sun. So it's sort of 'damned if we do and damned if we don't' for SC, isn't it?

R.


I absolutely agree that it's not fair to the eventual ribboners to lose time on the front page (and couldn't understand the delay in the obvious DQ in the Edward Weston challenge). My issue was more with the wording of bohemka's comment that "It takes a second" to upload files that may or may not be required. I've never had to upload one of my RAW files as I don't get close to Top 10, but I suspect if I tried it would take an hour and my Internet isn't as slow as it used to be.
04/23/2011 08:43:10 PM · #16
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by bohemka:

If you're going to be away and want to eliminate the possibility of facing a DQ for not submitting the original, just preemptively submit the original. It takes a second.


That may be the case for some people. But some of us still have slow internet connections which can make unnecessary uploading of big files a real problem.


That's certainly true, but it's sort of irrelevant. If I know you're not gonna be available during the period of voting/results posting, it's kind of my obligation to post an original to SC; the "contract I "signed" when I entered the image stated clearly that I'd respond to any request for my original within 48 hours.

And the thing of it is, whenever eventually-DQ'd images hang around for most, or all, of the "display week", we always hear from members who say it's "not fair" (I'm not saying you're one of them, Gina, just discussing the issues...) to the eventual bump-up ribboners, who never get their week in the sun. So it's sort of 'damned if we do and damned if we don't' for SC, isn't it?

R.


I absolutely agree that it's not fair to the eventual ribboners to lose time on the front page (and couldn't understand the delay in the obvious DQ in the Edward Weston challenge). My issue was more with the wording of bohemka's comment that "It takes a second" to upload files that may or may not be required. I've never had to upload one of my RAW files as I don't get close to Top 10, but I suspect if I tried it would take an hour and my Internet isn't as slow as it used to be.

Don't get all hung up on the wording. "A second" is an expression, not a scientific measurement of long it takes to upload a photo. My connection is extremely slow but it takes me less than a minute to find the file and submit it. Take a bathroom break, make a cup of tea, whatever, and it'll be uploaded by the time you're back at your computer. It's an easy process and it's known to everyone. For all of the hours you spend shooting and editing, the time it takes to upload an original should not be the difference between a ribbon and a DQ. That is all I am saying.
04/23/2011 08:52:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by bohemka:

Don't get all hung up on the wording. "A second" is an expression, not a scientific measurement of long it takes to upload a photo. My connection is extremely slow but it takes me less than a minute to find the file and submit it. Take a bathroom break, make a cup of tea, whatever, and it'll be uploaded by the time you're back at your computer. It's an easy process and it's known to everyone. For all of the hours you spend shooting and editing, the time it takes to upload an original should not be the difference between a ribbon and a DQ. That is all I am saying.


Your slow connection still sounds quicker than mine. Also, where I come from internet access can be pretty expensive. I know people who regularly run through their quota of 2GB per month with a lot of month to spare and who can't afford a top-up. So the issue isn't that clearcut.

But I don't want to get into an argument over this - it hasn't even got anything to do with me. I was just trying to point out that sometimes there may be a valid reason for someone not submitting a file which would have been validated.
04/23/2011 11:02:12 PM · #18
True, not everyone has unlimited Internet, or fast Internet. At the same time the rules are well known, and long standing. Perhaps if there were as much effort paid to submitting for validation, as there is for competition, there would be fewer unhappy outcomes.

Sometimes things do happen... Even then, it is not the end of the world.

It's not like it's a 1x rejection, or anything... ;-)

Message edited by author 2011-04-23 23:03:34.
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