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04/10/2011 02:23:19 PM · #1
Use your camera phone to capture an image of your daily experience. The image must be captured with an app that records EXIF data. Operate under Advanced Editing rules.

This suggestion has probably been suggested before, but it is only recently that apps have been able to record Exif data.
04/10/2011 03:13:45 PM · #2
What apps record EXIF? I never really worried about taking to much with the phone. The only camera app I have is Gorrillacam.
04/10/2011 03:29:55 PM · #3
For the iPhone, the native camera app records exif data. And, Camera+ is an app which I've just started using. It records exif data, as well.
04/10/2011 04:35:08 PM · #4
Originally posted by hahn23:

For the iPhone, the native camera app records exif data. And, Camera+ is an app which I've just started using. It records exif data, as well.


I've been using Camera+, too. It has some pretty cool editing tools, too. Some interesting & fun effects (like many of the apps have). Can you think of a reason why those effects would not be legal in advanced??
04/10/2011 04:40:30 PM · #5
Originally posted by Tammster:

Originally posted by hahn23:

For the iPhone, the native camera app records exif data. And, Camera+ is an app which I've just started using. It records exif data, as well.


I've been using Camera+, too. It has some pretty cool editing tools, too. Some interesting & fun effects (like many of the apps have). Can you think of a reason why those effects would not be legal in advanced??

Should NOT be any problem with Advanced Editing rules. The issue has been whether the image capture app records EXIF data capable of meeting validation criteria. So far, I see the EXIF data normally required.
04/10/2011 10:50:38 PM · #6
This sounds like it could potentially be a good topic Richard. Last September ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Salmiakki started a month long side challenge for camera phones. Several of us participated and I had a lot of fun.

I can see an official challenge on this topic being fun too. However, I worry that "nasty voting" could make it not so fun. I would hope that the topic description would be done in a way to encourage "creative processing". Let's face it, even though camera phones are getting better all the time they have a long way to go before they will be good outright cameras. What they can do very effectively right now is create fun Lomograph or Vintage Style images- they are great for that! I think it is important for voters to be very aware of the limitations of a camera phone and be open minded about tweaked, intentionally degraded, and heavily processed images. It would be no fun at all to create a beautiful imaginative image, and then get a rash of low votes for things like "lacks sharpness", "white balance is off", "too noisy" or "processing doesn't look real" from people who have never used a camera phone before.

I would also hope some clear guidelines would be given about what processing would be allowed. I will use one of my images from the side challenge as an example. I did this with one exposure and one app that basically jumbled up the image into different parts. I really wonder if something like this would be allowed in advanced rules as it seems new areas are being created?
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With all the above said, I hope this topic happens :)
04/11/2011 12:34:07 AM · #7
Yes, Brent, it was fun, wasn't it? I'd love this as a real challenge, even without the apps.
04/11/2011 01:27:05 AM · #8
Hi ya Sarah! Yep, your side challenge was lots of fun :)
You mentioned the apps, in thinking back on things I remember I decided to do all my processing for the side challenge with camera apps save for image resizing. I'd kind of like the rules for a challenge to be this way too myself, but would likely participate regardless.

Message edited by author 2011-04-11 01:27:47.
04/11/2011 03:01:46 AM · #9
My phone is mega old and takes wretched photos but I think this could be pretty cool to look through and vote on.
04/11/2011 04:43:38 AM · #10
Just to clarify, I would strongly oppose "Expert Editing" rules. But, as I have learned through a recent experience, the person suggesting a challenge has no say in final details, like which rule set.

Maybe I'm overestimating how many phones out there are capable of using a camera app which captures exif compliant images. If the exif compliant image requirement is too restrictive, then this idea is ahead of its time.

Again, to clarify my concept, I intended this kind of challenge to capture best quality images with a phone camera. I had in mind this as a photography skill test with the constraint of using one's phone camera. These cameras are very capable, subject to their inherent limitations.
04/11/2011 05:53:59 AM · #11
Richard, ditto, I think it would be a great challenge.
04/11/2011 08:16:43 AM · #12
why don't we just called it the Facebook Upload challenge
04/11/2011 02:46:55 PM · #13
Originally posted by mike_311:

why don't we just called it the Facebook Upload challenge


Are you saying Smartphone cameras are only good enough for Facebook photos?

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As soon as I got my iPhone, I decided I had one goal with it, score a 6+. I did it a week later with my first (and to date, only) entry.

04/11/2011 03:20:34 PM · #14
i'm sorry i didn't drop over a grand on my camera to use the one built into my phone.
04/11/2011 03:28:08 PM · #15
Originally posted by mike_311:

i'm sorry i didn't drop over a grand on my camera to use the one built into my phone.

Too bad. Camera phone pictures can be quite revealing and wonderful. I have a series of fifteen that I did almost two years ago that have received critical review, and that I now hang proudly -- yes, all fifteen, in 12.5" x 14.5" frames, in a 3 frames by 5 frames installation -- over a stairwell. One of the most positive reactions to a series I've had. Not the equipment, friend, the photographer.
04/11/2011 03:40:10 PM · #16
Originally posted by mike_311:

i'm sorry i didn't drop over a grand on my camera to use the one built into my phone.


There's no law that says you can only use one camera.

It's called "flexibility". I have found my iPhone (as well as my Canon point & shoot) to produce high quality photos, and as is clearly evident in the thumbnails I posted, the Droid X does some high quality work, too.

Are you going to deny that those photos above are far more than "Facebook uploads"?

Message edited by author 2011-04-11 15:44:11.
04/11/2011 03:44:44 PM · #17
OK, I'm sold... A phone can do a very good image.

So enter them in regular challenges, as there does not seem to be a need for a special challenge.
04/11/2011 04:00:50 PM · #18
Originally posted by ambaker:

OK, I'm sold... A phone can do a very good image.

So enter them in regular challenges, as there does not seem to be a need for a special challenge.

I didn't suggest a "special" challenge. I suggested using the constraint of a phone camera to submit a best image to a regular challenge. Sure, in general, a first rate DSLR will generate a superior image and would be used for most competitive reasons. But, phone cameras can take very, very good images. It would be great to see what our DPC talented photographers can produce with a constrained abilities camera in their hands. We might be surprised.
04/11/2011 04:12:25 PM · #19
I enjoy using my iPhone as a camera.

The challenge will require the native phone app only. The other apps process the original image thus leaving a valid original not available.
04/11/2011 04:17:07 PM · #20
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

I enjoy using my iPhone as a camera.

The challenge will require the native phone app only. The other apps process the original image thus leaving a valid original not available.

The iPhone app Camera+ appears to have files with the same exif data as the native camera app. But, you may be right. I'll submit a ticket to see if the Camera+ file meets Exif data requirements.
04/12/2011 09:33:01 AM · #21
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by ambaker:

OK, I'm sold... A phone can do a very good image.

So enter them in regular challenges, as there does not seem to be a need for a special challenge.

I didn't suggest a "special" challenge. I suggested using the constraint of a phone camera to submit a best image to a regular challenge. Sure, in general, a first rate DSLR will generate a superior image and would be used for most competitive reasons. But, phone cameras can take very, very good images. It would be great to see what our DPC talented photographers can produce with a constrained abilities camera in their hands. We might be surprised.


I'm not arguing that a camera phone is incapable of producing very, very good images. I am just not seeing the need to dedicate a challenge to it. I really don't see it any differently than a suggestion for a point and shoot challenge, or a brand specific challenge. Seems like good side challenge material. I just don't think it needs to be a regular challenge. At this point, I'll agree to disagree and let it drop where it may.

Message edited by author 2011-04-12 09:34:44.
04/12/2011 10:51:52 AM · #22
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by ambaker:

OK, I'm sold... A phone can do a very good image.

So enter them in regular challenges, as there does not seem to be a need for a special challenge.

I didn't suggest a "special" challenge. I suggested using the constraint of a phone camera to submit a best image to a regular challenge. Sure, in general, a first rate DSLR will generate a superior image and would be used for most competitive reasons. But, phone cameras can take very, very good images. It would be great to see what our DPC talented photographers can produce with a constrained abilities camera in their hands. We might be surprised.


why?

we all use different equipment now, some of us have ribbons not using "first rate" dslrs and cheaper lenses. Maybe my earlier post was out of line, but if you can submit and ribbon winner with your iphone, go ahead. I prefer to use the camera i spent good money on, not the "added feature" to my phone.

if a challenge has that stipulation, i wont be entering. simply becuase i prefer not to spend my time working within that equipment restraint.
04/12/2011 11:36:42 AM · #23
Mike, it does not need to be an added feature app, most of those are not challenge legal anyway.
04/12/2011 11:53:54 AM · #24
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Mike, it does not need to be an added feature app, most of those are not challenge legal anyway.


im calling the camera itself an added feature to my phone, becuase that's basically what it is. i bought my phone becuase its a phone first, internet device second, mp3 player third, gps fourth, camera last.

Message edited by author 2011-04-12 11:55:00.
04/12/2011 01:03:03 PM · #25
This is an intersting suggestion... after reading through the posts I have a twist on the suggestion. Someone mentioned that cell phone cameras can do a good job at mimicking lomo, vintage, polaroid effect. When I think of cell phone photos (as art) this is what I think of. For example a big influence in this (can I call it a new rage, genre?) Chase jarvis and his book, "the best camera is the one that's with you". I think a lot of people are reminded of this style of photos when they think cell phone photography. I think of it as almost a new "categorie/genre" although most of it is a blend of past styles and looks. Therefore instead of limiting the challenge and restricting the gear you use, why not create the "genre" and make it the challenge topic. Challenge title: Cell Phone Photography. And the photographers can use any hardware they choose, yet the final product should relic and portray this "new genre" aka "cell phone photography"

Thoughts?

Ironically this was written and posted from my cell phone (droid)
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