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04/03/2011 10:47:01 AM · #26 |
| If everyone did this I would be the all time comments received king. |
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04/03/2011 11:55:29 AM · #27 |
| My fs image is sitting on a 5.0 with no comments, I would love to know why my image is not appealing, afterall most of us are here to learn/ develop. |
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04/03/2011 12:18:31 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
I've since gone to a -3 penalty which takes a great 7 image to a 3 because they either DNMC or did not properly demonstrate that they did to this voter. |
Usually 7-3 = 4 .... :-( |
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04/03/2011 12:45:30 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
I haven't done one in over a month, too busy with real life. Why not join the critique club and start making the critiques? |
For some reason this sentence cracks me up.
I think maybe the better question is, if a member of the c.c. is too busy with real life, why not step down? |
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04/03/2011 01:05:33 PM · #30 |
| I have given up ticking the critique box as it is rare to receive a critique but when I have received one they have been very good and I would love to receive more. Maybe if there more members out there willing to regulary critique I might tick that box again, afterall this site is littered with quality photogs and plenty who are willing to provide critiques if asked. |
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04/03/2011 01:20:30 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by salmiakki:
I haven't done one in over a month, too busy with real life. Why not join the critique club and start making the critiques? |
For some reason this sentence cracks me up.
I think maybe the better question is, if a member of the c.c. is too busy with real life, why not step down? |
Don't follow you at all. There isn't a limit to how many people can be a member of the critique club and so it's not as though a member taking a break from contributing is preventing someone else from doing so. Surely it's better to remain a member and offer critiques when able? |
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04/03/2011 01:25:06 PM · #32 |
I'll make my usual suggestion that it would be very useful to have a tick box for challenge entries that would tell the viewer if critiques are welcomed. This would encourage the heavy commenters to put their efforts where they are most desired & appreciated. Might even increase the commenting rate for some people.
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04/03/2011 01:27:14 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
Surely it's better to remain a member and offer critiques when able? |
Who is doing it? Jon's post could probably be repeated by several members, i personally don't check the box anymore and don't care. it's just funny to me that when someone laments the lack of activity from the critique club, on of their own says "eh, i'm too busy, why don't you do it." |
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04/03/2011 01:35:14 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by SaraR:
Surely it's better to remain a member and offer critiques when able? |
Who is doing it? Jon's post could probably be repeated by several members, i personally don't check the box anymore and don't care. it's just funny to me that when someone laments the lack of activity from the critique club, on of their own says "eh, i'm too busy, why don't you do it." |
I tried it for awhile, but it took a lot of time, and I think only one person ever responded saying that it was useful or stupid or anything. I felt like a fish out of water, and I didn't have a clue whether I was on the right track. It was hard doing it when there was no response -- so I just ended up quietly fading away and forgetting about it. |
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04/03/2011 01:42:11 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
I've since gone to a -3 penalty which takes a great 7 image to a 3 because they either DNMC or did not properly demonstrate that they did to this voter. |
Usually 7-3 = 4 .... :-( |
I was in the public school system for 12 years :)
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04/03/2011 01:53:28 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
CORRECT DPC Voting involves: 1. Rating each photo independently on its own quality and how well it meets the challenge. 2. NOT using the scale to "rank" photos such that 10 is the best, 9 is the second best, etc. 3. Using the entire scale from 1-10 when applicable. 4. Accepting that your votes cast average is a reflection on the photos voted on and NOT your kindness as a voter. |
I approach it similarly to yourself, but many people will disagree with you. The only guidance that exists is "1=bad, 10=good". Everyone is free to choose their own criteria and method of voting. Should I break out the dead horse icon now?
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04/03/2011 01:59:42 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Should I break out the dead horse icon now? |
It was inevitable...
I have chucked a bunch of '5 not 6' comments out now though. |
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04/03/2011 02:15:15 PM · #38 |
I love comments as much as anybody during a challenge. I don't personally comment much, yet love to vote. I score based off each individual image. I vote on 100% of the images when I do. I vote the full scale 1-10. Very few 1,2& 3's. I went out and commented on several 5's and couple top shots for me, there are many more top shots in the FS I didn't comment on. I guess I feel the best place for real critiques is after the challenge when some one ask "WHY" or checks the critique button. So the comments during the challenge of "Nice shot" works for me or not so nice shot too. Since it's a contest/challenge I let my vote do my commenting. I highly commend the  KarenNfld and many others who seem to comment on every challenge. We all contribute in different ways I guess. I much rather have the high vote then the comment stating it's a good shot "not voting"......Lol.....OK...rip me a new one.....Lol. |
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04/03/2011 04:56:48 PM · #39 |
Well, it gets a 1 from me if it is repulsive, vulgar or sacrilegious, clearly does not meet the challenge or I think it might be a  GeneralE entry.
A 2,3,or 4 if it clearly appears to be an attempt at meeting the challenge but falls short of being a photograph and is more of a snapshot.
It's a 5 if it meets the challenge, doesn't look like a snapshot. Appears some thought was applied and it makes me take more than a glance at and there are not many obvious errors. The background may be annoying and dof not quite right.
To get a 6 it should be better than average and keep my attention for at least a minute because it is interesting and not because I am trying to figure out what the heck it is. It shows they worked at creating an entry and it's not a shoe-horned shot. I have to like the subject.
7's 8's and 9's are harder for me to separate. Usually subject matter plays a larger part I think. It must really be a great photo...a wall hanger. If it is a shot we see a lot such as a water drop, it'll be 7 unless it is exceptional.(Not saying a water drop is an auto 7 or it can't be a 10)
To be a 10 It must really be a super great photo. I vote a large number of 10's. If I think it is a vawendy or  karmat julietNNit gets a 10.
Message edited by author 2011-04-03 19:25:51. |
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04/03/2011 05:55:11 PM · #40 |
In early days of DPC (2002) some commenter's sum up the breakdown as follows
Composition: Subject Placement, Cropping, Background5,
Technical: Focus, Exposure, Lighting, Processing7,
Appeal: Is it Interesting, Motivating, Etc.? 4,
Total Averaged Rating5
This gives the submitter a clue about the judgment and the weak points of the photo, with a cut and paste template it will not take time and will improve the communication among the community. |
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04/03/2011 06:17:43 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Well, it gets a 1 from me if it is repulsive, vulgar or sacrilegious, clearly does not meet the challenge or I think it might be a GeneralE entry. |
... which can sometimes manage to incorporate all four attributes... ;-) |
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04/03/2011 06:22:06 PM · #42 |
oooh!! I like this voting style! I think everyone should adopt it. :D |
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04/03/2011 06:55:16 PM · #43 |
| I don't know about you guys, but I was headed towards a 6 in freestudy until this thread started and now I'm headed back towards 5.5. I say we kill the thread before my score also dies. |
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04/03/2011 11:49:55 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by amnon:
In early days of DPC (2002) some commenter's sum up the breakdown as follows
Composition: Subject Placement, Cropping, Background5,
Technical: Focus, Exposure, Lighting, Processing7,
Appeal: Is it Interesting, Motivating, Etc.? 4,
Total Averaged Rating5
This gives the submitter a clue about the judgment and the weak points of the photo, with a cut and paste template it will not take time and will improve the communication among the community. |
The problem with this is that it is so subjective that it truly offers little to inform the photographer as to what is good or bad about the image.
While the first groups merits a score of 7, there is no indication as to what the strong points are and where the weaknesses lie. It most is certainly better than no comment, but truly lacks in specificity.
Similarly with the factors relating to interest etc.... some might find the image of a church absolutely awe inspirings, others not. I happen to be absolutely impressed with images of birds in flight and shots depicting countryside settings... others might consider these rather boring.
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04/05/2011 10:33:35 PM · #45 |
I find that I am now giving careful attention to any image that is not a ; flower, sunset/rise, kid, pet or 'model'.
I've been giving a 6 to well presented, more original material.
I think your idea of commenting on the distinction between a 5 and a 6 is a good one Paul. I'm going
to go through the images I voted for in the Free Study. |
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04/07/2011 05:58:51 PM · #46 |
| Bump. Are people doing this? |
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04/07/2011 06:01:02 PM · #47 |
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04/07/2011 06:42:17 PM · #48 |
It's certainly a very thorny and intricate topic and I salute it.
I left earlier today on the B&W lamenting score thread this comment:
"In spite of my usual over 5 score - 5.56 and 90 viewers, I am so pleased with a few comments that the score seems superfluous. Thanks to  BrennanOB,  paulbtlw, melethia and hidden!"
I gave up for a while the 1-10 score in favor of 5-10 and leaving the pictures that I do not care for without a mark. Wrong approach but I do not feel like giving a 4 to a deja vu but technically good picture or one that is totally out of place INHO. I do not have the time to comment on all photos, as I have tried once with dubious results. In the end, a lot of people did not want a critique at all and got angry. Some just asked me why I do not give a mark for effort! We are in HS now not kindergarten.
I smiled broadly to the MeMex2 comment: "I find that I am now giving careful attention to any image that is not a ; flower, sunset/rise, kid, pet or 'model'"
Afterwords we are here to explore not to do more of the same, technically perfect and get all the 10s we can accumulate.
Shall we start a SC of Pencils, Models, Glasses, Sunsets ... to get them out of the system for a while? Or to approach them in a novel way?
Some of you talked about revisiting the Free Study challenge. But my score so far is 139 viewers, 5.12 score, with 5 comments only, two glowing ones (which again give me a great joy ubique and cutout).
I assume that I got the entire range 1-10, probably plenty of 4 & 5 but none of you on this thread left there a comment.
Message edited by author 2011-04-07 18:43:37. |
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04/07/2011 06:44:26 PM · #49 |
Okay then! I'm going to do this for the first ten images that I scored five, and to which I've not already given comments. (As an aside, this will take me to 9000 comments given!)
I've done four already, and it's taken me about a half hour. Might I suggest that the voter may learn more about him- or herself, by way of this exercise, than the photographer who receives the comment.
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04/07/2011 07:11:44 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Okay then! I'm going to do this for the first ten images that I scored five, and to which I've not already given comments. (As an aside, this will take me to 9000 comments given!)
I've done four already, and it's taken me about a half hour. Might I suggest that the voter may learn more about him- or herself, by way of this exercise, than the photographer who receives the comment. |
I am still waiting Brian! |
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