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12/30/2002 11:18:41 PM · #1 |
These were the shots I wanted to use for travel, but due to the lighting,iso and the grain caused by such; I found it impossible to make it look presentable.
travel outtakes
Any suggestions that could help me if I have another one that has these problems, or are they just too severe to overcome?? I have reduced them by 50%, otherwise it is as they came out of the camera. When the one without the sign is brightened up, you can see the vehicle heading towards the sunset colors with the taillights glowing. I loved the idea and it just happened on the spur of the moment with me standing in the highway trying to get shots.
The other was a road sign with the trees and sunset in the background. Both were handheld, but don't think a tripod would have helped me. Both were taken in superfine mode with a Canon Pro90IS (2.6mp)
Shot 26 was taken at 2.8, 1/80th, "auto ISO", shutter speed priority mode, focal length 70. Shot 56 was taken at 2.8, 1/60th, ISO 400 focal length 224, flash on, and manual mode. I did notice that when viewing my exif info on Thumbs Plus (what a great program!!) both shots said that the saturation was set on high.. I will adjust that in my camera as my shots may be looking grainier with that at that level.
Thanks if you can help!!
Message edited by author 2002-12-30 23:20:33.
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12/30/2002 11:38:18 PM · #2 |
I am not sure what you could do to save the shots, but I sure like them. They remind me of one of my trips to Las Vegas. We got there around 2:30am. I hate that night driving. Next time you shoot try using a tripod and open your shutter as long as your camera will allow. It is either high aperture or low aperture. You will have to check in your camera manual. Good luck
Message edited by author 2002-12-30 23:40:32.
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12/30/2002 11:54:46 PM · #3 |
Here is what I was able to do with just a few minutes of photoshop work. Unfortunately I had to use DPC-illegal methods to do it (layer modes). I also think that they're probably not worth trying to "save." Too dark & grainy, nothing extraordinary. I agree with Sonifo that you should try a tripod. This will allow you to keep your ISO low while using a longer shutter speed.
Travel Outtake 1
Travel Outtake 2
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12/30/2002 11:58:16 PM · #4 |
I'm not sure if this is what you had in mind for the images or not...but I played with one of them a little and came up with 3 variations. All I did was adjust the levels/curves/contrast a bit in ps7 and then ran them through Neat Image freeware (www.neatimage.com) @ 75% noise reduction (which may have been a tad high). Hope that helps!
Btw...love the shot of the car driving into the sunset :) |
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12/31/2002 12:20:27 AM · #5 |
Froober,
Did you do the clean up of Kandyjs images with the "demo" version or registered version of Neat Image? I recently downloaded this software and think that it may have some interesting possibilities.
Bob
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12/31/2002 12:33:15 AM · #6 |
Wow that is incredible. I can't believe you made those photos look that good. I am going to have to get that program.
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12/31/2002 02:18:36 AM · #7 |
Thanks, Froober and all. I took the original of the car/sunet (my favorite shot for travel) and put it through Neat Image at 60% reduction, then put it in Thumbs Plus and adjusted the brightness, saturation, (and maybe gamma), and came up with this. One of the main things I liked were the glowing red taillights tying in with the sunset colors. I also cropped it up a bit.
It's still a bit grainy in the sky, but I bet that could have been corrected with increased noise removal as you had done.
Well, I am finding myself riding into the sunset.. well, going to bed anyway. Thanks for the help, maybe next time I won't have wasted a shot I really liked, because I shot it too hastily.
image
Message edited by author 2002-12-31 08:23:03.
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12/31/2002 08:22:40 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by RLS:
Froober,
Did you do the clean up of Kandyjs images with the "demo" version or registered version of Neat Image? I recently downloaded this software and think that it may have some interesting possibilities.
Bob |
I only use the demo version of neat image...works wonders! :) |
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12/31/2002 12:52:28 PM · #9 |
I, too, use the demo version of neatimage. It rocks.
cruise ship without neatimage
cruise ship with neatimage
not the best examples, but this shows what it will do with just "default" settings, etc.
Message edited by author 2002-12-31 12:56:58.
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12/31/2002 05:51:28 PM · #10 |
Here are my attempts at improving these images. I tried some different methods on each image. In the first image I simply adjusted the Levels using Auto Color and then applying the Neatimage filter with sharpening applied.
In the second image I first resized the image to 1600x1200, adjusted the levels using Auto Color and then by using the magic wand set at about 30 I selected the trees and chose Similar to select every color in that range. Then I colored the tree selection pure white and saved the image separately. I kept the current file open in PS. I then applied Neatimage to the masked image so that it was, in affect, only applying the noise reduction to the sky. Next I re-opened the, now noise free, masked image in PS and copied and pasted the image into a new layer in my original file. I removed all the pure white areas from the masked layer so the grainy, but detailed trees in the bottom layer showed through. Then I flattened the image and ran it through Neatimage one more time with a very subtle noise filtering application. And finally I reduced the image back down to 800x600 and applied a little more sharpening. It wasn't as complicated as it sounds. I basically cleaned up the noise in the sky more aggressively than in the trees to maintain the sharpness and detail in the trees. It seemed to help to enlarge the image first and then reduce it again to the origianl size. I also reduced the brightness on the road sign.
I did the same thing in the third image except without the same masking technique. However I did use the gradient tool to make a mask at the top of the sky so I could darken and saturate that area separately from the lower portion.
In each image I brightened them aggressively to see the grain more clearly and then darkened them again at the end to an appropriate level. I now use the Levels using Auto Color because it doesn't screw up the colors. Each image seemed to require a separate technique and I was clearly limited by the low resolution. With the original images and spending more time I'm sure they could look better.
T
Message edited by author 2002-12-31 17:59:55.
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12/31/2002 06:13:30 PM · #11 |
I really liked the after road picture 003. Maybe I should take my shots on Monday and try to find out how to improve them by Sunday night. I really wanted to submit that shot, or the one with the road sign if I could have made the sign look decent.
Thanks for all the tips, happy new year to all!
Message edited by author 2002-12-31 18:14:52.
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