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03/14/2011 12:41:33 PM · #51
Originally posted by kenskid:

I did not enter b/c after spending a few hours trying to find some nature within an urban scene, I gave up. Yes I could have snapped a shot of a flower but I couldn't get it to "say" urban.

I will score lower on shots that do not have some urban element to it.

Originally posted by Dphoto:

Is it just me? I'm really digging to get Urban in some of the photos. I know the title may say something about urban but I can't see it in the photo. Am I wrong for not rating those photos? Need help here to be fair.


I guess that's my real question. I do want to be fair on rating the photos in challenges and I'm new at this. I look first for photos that catch my attention. Then I look for the emotion it conveys related to the challenge. Does it speak the challenge title. Sometimes I can't see the challenge concept but notice how good the photo is technically. Even though it doesn't convey the message intended it's a striking photo. Is it fair to rate it high because it's technically or artistically brilliant? Should I rate it low because I can't see the challenge in it. Should I just bypass it and not bring the rating down with a lower score because it didn't relay the challenge message? I know it's up to me but would like others thoughts. Maybe for now I'll just not rate those photos but leave a comment stating why I didn't rate it at all. Seems to be the only fair way for now. I expect to get my fair share of comments on photos I submit but that's the only way I'll ever learn. And I'll take all the comments given (Good or Bad) with an eye towards improving.
03/14/2011 01:52:59 PM · #52
dropping... dropping... can't wait till happy hour returns.
03/14/2011 02:03:38 PM · #53
Same here
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03/14/2011 02:39:51 PM · #54
Originally posted by saintaugust:

dropping... dropping... can't wait till happy hour returns.


I agree, let's hand out some drinks. Score keeps going down.
03/14/2011 02:40:57 PM · #55
Originally posted by Dphoto:

Originally posted by kenskid:

I did not enter b/c after spending a few hours trying to find some nature within an urban scene, I gave up. Yes I could have snapped a shot of a flower but I couldn't get it to "say" urban.

I will score lower on shots that do not have some urban element to it.

Originally posted by Dphoto:

Is it just me? I'm really digging to get Urban in some of the photos. I know the title may say something about urban but I can't see it in the photo. Am I wrong for not rating those photos? Need help here to be fair.


I guess that's my real question. I do want to be fair on rating the photos in challenges and I'm new at this. I look first for photos that catch my attention. Then I look for the emotion it conveys related to the challenge. Does it speak the challenge title. Sometimes I can't see the challenge concept but notice how good the photo is technically. Even though it doesn't convey the message intended it's a striking photo. Is it fair to rate it high because it's technically or artistically brilliant? Should I rate it low because I can't see the challenge in it. Should I just bypass it and not bring the rating down with a lower score because it didn't relay the challenge message? I know it's up to me but would like others thoughts. Maybe for now I'll just not rate those photos but leave a comment stating why I didn't rate it at all. Seems to be the only fair way for now. I expect to get my fair share of comments on photos I submit but that's the only way I'll ever learn. And I'll take all the comments given (Good or Bad) with an eye towards improving.


Some people really vote down images that they don't think meet the challenge. Giving 1s and 2s. I assume that everything fits the challenge, and that perhaps I'm just missing something, not that they blatantly ignored the challenge. That being said, if I can't see how it fits after looking at it for awhile, then I don't think it was as effective of a shot as others if I have to really search to find the connection, so I usually dock a point or two, or score the ones that fit higher.
03/14/2011 03:40:56 PM · #56
IMO...if we don't score at least a "little" lower for something that we can't see "meeting the challenge", then every challenge becomes a Free Study.

Originally posted by Dphoto:

Originally posted by kenskid:

I did not enter b/c after spending a few hours trying to find some nature within an urban scene, I gave up. Yes I could have snapped a shot of a flower but I couldn't get it to "say" urban.

I will score lower on shots that do not have some urban element to it.

Originally posted by Dphoto:

Is it just me? I'm really digging to get Urban in some of the photos. I know the title may say something about urban but I can't see it in the photo. Am I wrong for not rating those photos? Need help here to be fair.


I guess that's my real question. I do want to be fair on rating the photos in challenges and I'm new at this. I look first for photos that catch my attention. Then I look for the emotion it conveys related to the challenge. Does it speak the challenge title. Sometimes I can't see the challenge concept but notice how good the photo is technically. Even though it doesn't convey the message intended it's a striking photo. Is it fair to rate it high because it's technically or artistically brilliant? Should I rate it low because I can't see the challenge in it. Should I just bypass it and not bring the rating down with a lower score because it didn't relay the challenge message? I know it's up to me but would like others thoughts. Maybe for now I'll just not rate those photos but leave a comment stating why I didn't rate it at all. Seems to be the only fair way for now. I expect to get my fair share of comments on photos I submit but that's the only way I'll ever learn. And I'll take all the comments given (Good or Bad) with an eye towards improving.
03/14/2011 03:53:13 PM · #57
[quote=kenskid] IMO...if we don't score at least a "little" lower for something that we can't see "meeting the challenge", then every challenge becomes a Free Study.

I concur!! But then again, I'm new at this.
03/14/2011 04:46:21 PM · #58
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I'm looking at a new PB until the trolls come out!
03/14/2011 04:54:57 PM · #59
Originally posted by kenskid:

IMO...if we don't score at least a "little" lower for something that we can't see "meeting the challenge", then every challenge becomes a Free Study.


Concur, but how do you score an image when you don't see the the tie in to the challenge? Does it get a one? Even if it an otherwise brilliant shot, does it cap out at 6?

I knock off a few points for not meeting the challenge well, and a a few points for a brilliant response to the challenge even in an otherwise mediocre shot. That said I have been around long enough to see challenges where a disagreement on what DNMC led to shots that I felt met the challenge were given ones, twos and threes.
I remember the complimentary colors challenge where some commentators ripped images because they where sure they knew what a complementary color was, and were wrong, or at least limited to a definition that was not primary common usage, or the descriptor on the challenge submission page. When I see a lot of images that DNMC, I try to pause in voting and try to figure out why so many people have a different view than I do, and if it might just be possible that I am wrong.

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down .2 in the last 7 votes

Message edited by author 2011-03-14 16:56:24.
03/14/2011 05:54:55 PM · #60
Originally posted by marnet:

Originally posted by snaffles:

Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:

Still trying to figure out the voting and I'm a tough critique lol. I plan on changing my votes now that I have figured out this system some more.


It's called karma. If you give out bad votes and piss people off, expect the same in return. And fyi voting others down will not make your score rise, it'll sink.

However if you vote fairly and are not afraid to give out good scores to images that are clearly better than yours, you will do better.

I am not sure this theory has scientific basis :)


Who said anything about scientific basis?!

Here. Let me explain voting 101 to you noobs, and I've been here almost 5 years now and have participated in over 350 challenges. I think I have a little more experience than you in matters like this.

You enter a challenge, and get a low score, or series of low scores, on your image. Maybe yours isn't the best shot in the challenge, as you can quickly see by scrolling through the thumbnails. So, does being on the receiving end of low votes put you in a positive frame of mind for voting, especially in that challenge?

Uhmm, probably not. So, should you choose to be a troll and go around merrily doling out scores of 1, 2 and 3, you're essentially pissing off a bunch of people who also have the power to cast a vote. And if you help put them in a rotten mood, then you are just as much at risk of getting a poor vote in turn.

But should you do the opposite - vote fairly and give a better vote to the images that you see are better than yours - well...all I'm going to say is, I voted very generously on the challenge in which I eventually ribboned.

That's my very unscientific theory, and I'm sticking to it.
03/14/2011 06:30:39 PM · #61
Drink my voter friends and be happy :) I,m trying to hold on to a big number and a personal best.
03/14/2011 06:51:06 PM · #62
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Yeah, pretty low. This is only my second entry, so still really new at this. I think that if I would have captured more of the fence in this picture, it would have made for a better "urban nature" photo. There are some REALLY great entries though that I was blown away by! May the best one win! ;-)

And why do people choose to make their comments anonymous??

Message edited by author 2011-03-14 18:53:33.
03/14/2011 06:54:43 PM · #63
Originally posted by snaffles:

Originally posted by marnet:

Originally posted by snaffles:

Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:

Still trying to figure out the voting and I'm a tough critique lol. I plan on changing my votes now that I have figured out this system some more.


It's called karma. If you give out bad votes and piss people off, expect the same in return. And fyi voting others down will not make your score rise, it'll sink.

However if you vote fairly and are not afraid to give out good scores to images that are clearly better than yours, you will do better.

I am not sure this theory has scientific basis :)


Who said anything about scientific basis?!

Here. Let me explain voting 101 to you noobs, and I've been here almost 5 years now and have participated in over 350 challenges. I think I have a little more experience than you in matters like this.

You enter a challenge, and get a low score, or series of low scores, on your image. Maybe yours isn't the best shot in the challenge, as you can quickly see by scrolling through the thumbnails. So, does being on the receiving end of low votes put you in a positive frame of mind for voting, especially in that challenge?

Uhmm, probably not. So, should you choose to be a troll and go around merrily doling out scores of 1, 2 and 3, you're essentially pissing off a bunch of people who also have the power to cast a vote. And if you help put them in a rotten mood, then you are just as much at risk of getting a poor vote in turn.

But should you do the opposite - vote fairly and give a better vote to the images that you see are better than yours - well...all I'm going to say is, I voted very generously on the challenge in which I eventually ribboned.

That's my very unscientific theory, and I'm sticking to it.


I feel like I need to respond. I'm a noobie and right now my score is not doing as well as I thought it would...granted this this my first challenge. And looking back now I wish I would have just lurked a bit more before entering a contest. I know I can take a decent photo...so I'm really disappointed in the overall average I have received...regardless, my point is I voted fairly for everyone. I gave out multiple 10's, 9's...so forth regardless of my score. I would never spitefully give someone a low score because my image was not doing what I thought it would. If someone has a great image I will tell them so.

Personally,I'm truly disappointed that I have not been given an feedback on my image. I thought that this site was about helping each other to develop and grow as artists. I'm beginning to get the impression that it is not like that. I'm okay with someonne giving me a low score, but atleast tell me why...let me know what they are thinking. How can I grow and develop further if no ones reaches out. I have only been on this site for a few days and I have made an effort to leave feedback for others. I have posted several images that are not contest related, but have only received a small amount of feedback. As for the contest image I can only hope that once the results are in a few of my voters will come back and give me some thoughts.

Once more...good luck to everyone and I enjoyed looking at everyone's vision of Urban Nature.

03/14/2011 07:35:37 PM · #64
Originally posted by BrennanOB:


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down .2 in the last 7 votes


I dropped about the same (.3) in the last 8 votes.

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This is the first time below 6.0000 since the start of voting.
03/14/2011 07:38:15 PM · #65
Originally posted by onepurplerose:

Personally,I'm truly disappointed that I have not been given an feedback on my image.


Give it time. Not everyone jumps right in and votes and comments as soon as a challenge opens for voting. It's hard to be patient when you want to know what everyone is thinking ... and harder still when your score isn't what you hoped it would be. Been there many times ;-)
03/14/2011 07:44:49 PM · #66
Originally posted by jennalynnphotography:

And why do people choose to make their comments anonymous??

I do it myself as early on here (2 months ago) after I left a slightly negative comment the author of the entry contacted me by email with a rather strong response to it. I do not wish this to happen again.
03/14/2011 07:53:34 PM · #67
Originally posted by snaffles:


Who said anything about scientific basis?!

Here. Let me explain voting 101 to you noobs, and I've been here almost 5 years now and have participated in over 350 challenges. I think I have a little more experience than you in matters like this.

You enter a challenge, and get a low score, or series of low scores, on your image. Maybe yours isn't the best shot in the challenge, as you can quickly see by scrolling through the thumbnails. So, does being on the receiving end of low votes put you in a positive frame of mind for voting, especially in that challenge?

Uhmm, probably not. So, should you choose to be a troll and go around merrily doling out scores of 1, 2 and 3, you're essentially pissing off a bunch of people who also have the power to cast a vote. And if you help put them in a rotten mood, then you are just as much at risk of getting a poor vote in turn.

But should you do the opposite - vote fairly and give a better vote to the images that you see are better than yours - well...all I'm going to say is, I voted very generously on the challenge in which I eventually ribboned.

That's my very unscientific theory, and I'm sticking to it.

And best if you keep it to yourself. I hope the other "noobs" have ignored your post as it comes across as bullying us into your frame of mind. We, noobs, do have brains :)
03/14/2011 08:22:23 PM · #68
Originally posted by onepurplerose:


Personally,I'm truly disappointed that I have not been given an feedback on my image. I thought that this site was about helping each other to develop and grow as artists. I'm beginning to get the impression that it is not like that. I'm okay with someonne giving me a low score, but atleast tell me why...let me know what they are thinking. How can I grow and develop further if no ones reaches out. I have only been on this site for a few days and I have made an effort to leave feedback for others. I have posted several images that are not contest related, but have only received a small amount of feedback. As for the contest image I can only hope that once the results are in a few of my voters will come back and give me some thoughts.

I am starting to hog this thread, sorry about that but I am also relatively new (a "noob" as some say) and found out how things work the hard way. Most comments are brief and positive and you will not learn much this way. It will just tell you that someone liked your entry (that's good for the ego! :) You are best to contact the members whose portfolios are closest to the style you would like to develop and ask for comments. You need to take initiative - start a Side Challenge on a topic you want to learn more about. This way you will get more detailed comments. You also can try posting in Individual Photograph Discussion forum. I asked a few times about editing techniques etc and got a lot of feedback. You can also contact a few members BEFORE entering the challenge and ask them for feedback. This way you will avoid entries that can get DNMC'd (Does Not Meet the Challenge, your very low votes) when you are capable of something much better. The scored challenges are mostly about scores, not comments. But if you take initiative you will find that there are many very talented and knowledgeable members who are very happy to help and you will learn a lot and get very useful feedback. Good luck!
03/14/2011 08:37:01 PM · #69
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started 7 to mid 6+ now mid 5s... trying to hold on there :-\
03/14/2011 08:50:23 PM · #70
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

I didn't enter this challenge because I couldn't find any nature in an obvious urban setting. But I see that didn't stop everyone else from entering! LOL Some of these entries are a real stretch. A lot of them don't show any urban aspect, just the nature.


I probably shouldn't have entered my photo, which was taken in the middle of the city. But the urban element blended into the background and I didn't do myself any favors with processing that made it even less obvious. I am sitting at 5.74 with 2 comments noting that they don't see the urban element. I have to agree with them that it appears DNMC. Lesson learned. I expect my score to continue falling, probably rightly so.
03/14/2011 09:05:23 PM · #71
Hey all... I didn't participate in this challenge but just began voting and commenting and figured I'd check in

You have rated 34 of 105 images (32%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 20 images (19%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.0882.

Some really good shots here. I'm going to try to comment on as many as I can. I have a 9 week old so its difficult to get a large chunk of time, so I can't promise anything, but when he's asleep, I'll give it a go.
03/14/2011 09:20:44 PM · #72
Originally posted by marnet:

Originally posted by onepurplerose:


Personally,I'm truly disappointed that I have not been given an feedback on my image. I thought that this site was about helping each other to develop and grow as artists. I'm beginning to get the impression that it is not like that. I'm okay with someonne giving me a low score, but atleast tell me why...let me know what they are thinking. How can I grow and develop further if no ones reaches out. I have only been on this site for a few days and I have made an effort to leave feedback for others. I have posted several images that are not contest related, but have only received a small amount of feedback. As for the contest image I can only hope that once the results are in a few of my voters will come back and give me some thoughts.

I am starting to hog this thread, sorry about that but I am also relatively new (a "noob" as some say) and found out how things work the hard way. Most comments are brief and positive and you will not learn much this way. It will just tell you that someone liked your entry (that's good for the ego! :) You are best to contact the members whose portfolios are closest to the style you would like to develop and ask for comments. You need to take initiative - start a Side Challenge on a topic you want to learn more about. This way you will get more detailed comments. You also can try posting in Individual Photograph Discussion forum. I asked a few times about editing techniques etc and got a lot of feedback. You can also contact a few members BEFORE entering the challenge and ask them for feedback. This way you will avoid entries that can get DNMC'd (Does Not Meet the Challenge, your very low votes) when you are capable of something much better. The scored challenges are mostly about scores, not comments. But if you take initiative you will find that there are many very talented and knowledgeable members who are very happy to help and you will learn a lot and get very useful feedback. Good luck!


Hi,

Thanks for the comment. I agree...one reason I was thinking that I should have spent a little more time getting to know the site better and understand the challenges better before I jumped in. Lesson learned...I plan on spending some time reading and looking before I enter another challenge. I love looking at photography and find myself looking forward to seeing what everyone comes up with...very exciting! I like your idea about participating in side challenges, and someone else has also suggested this idea.

Again, thanks for your thoughts.
03/14/2011 09:23:16 PM · #73
Originally posted by onepurplerose:

I feel like I need to respond. I'm a noobie and right now my score is not doing as well as I thought it would...granted this this my first challenge. And looking back now I wish I would have just lurked a bit more before entering a contest. I know I can take a decent photo...so I'm really disappointed in the overall average I have received...regardless, my point is I voted fairly for everyone. I gave out multiple 10's, 9's...so forth regardless of my score. I would never spitefully give someone a low score because my image was not doing what I thought it would. If someone has a great image I will tell them so.

Personally,I'm truly disappointed that I have not been given an feedback on my image. I thought that this site was about helping each other to develop and grow as artists. I'm beginning to get the impression that it is not like that. I'm okay with someonne giving me a low score, but atleast tell me why...let me know what they are thinking. How can I grow and develop further if no ones reaches out. I have only been on this site for a few days and I have made an effort to leave feedback for others. I have posted several images that are not contest related, but have only received a small amount of feedback. As for the contest image I can only hope that once the results are in a few of my voters will come back and give me some thoughts.

Once more...good luck to everyone and I enjoyed looking at everyone's vision of Urban Nature.


Don't be discouraged. Most of us start with low scores to begin with. My first entry barely scraped a 5.0 and received no comments. I didn't let that discourage me. I entered some more challenges, as well as some side challenges. I got to know some members who had been here awhile and had several ribbons under their belt, and started asking their advice (I still do). And I started watching my scores go up and up each month.

The key to this site: The more you put into it, the more you get out. No one is going to hand you anything here, but people are more than willing to help, but you have to make the effort and ask.
03/14/2011 10:49:14 PM · #74
Originally posted by marnet:

Originally posted by jennalynnphotography:

And why do people choose to make their comments anonymous??

I do it myself as early on here (2 months ago) after I left a slightly negative comment the author of the entry contacted me by email with a rather strong response to it. I do not wish this to happen again.


Oh wow, that's pretty sad. I guess I didn't think people would act like that. I do disagree with leaving comments such as "don't see your point of view or how this fits the challenge". Not everyone's artistic eye is the same! I'm not gonna lie, this site seems a little crazy with negativity, but I won't let it discourage me. Just going to keep learning & entering challenges!
03/14/2011 11:02:53 PM · #75
I always find it ironic that once a discussion begins on the validity of a photo meeting the challenge, there is a drop in scores (in my opinion). I believe this has been discussed before.

Going off topic, which is show me your score, is something I personally wish people would avoid.

Yes, I am writing this because I started out at 6.5 and went to a bit lower but still in the 6 range and am presently at 5.1 and change. For me, my photo meets my interpretation of the topic and I shot it with this challenge in mind.

Maybe my present score is exactly what my shot deserves but I am not a fan of having submissions talked about as meeting or not meeting the challenge before voting ends.
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