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03/05/2011 12:37:15 AM · #101
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

How can knowing what a jury of 9 respected photographers thought of your image hinder your development as a photographer? THAT part's not about "winning", it's about how we reacted, as indviduals, to the image.

R.
I thought comments do that
03/05/2011 12:46:46 AM · #102
Originally posted by marnet:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

How can knowing what a jury of 9 respected photographers thought of your image hinder your development as a photographer? THAT part's not about "winning", it's about how we reacted, as indviduals, to the image.

R.
I thought comments do that


I thought that was what we were referring to, the juror's comments and discussions. If you're referring to the actual juried voting RESULTS, then I assume you're likewise not interested in the popular voting results, which presumably also could hinder your development as a photographer? I'm not sure what distinction you're drawing...

R.
03/05/2011 02:43:04 AM · #103
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by ubique:

It would inevitably include discussion of the artistic merits (if any) of photographs that finish at the top of the popular vote. I'd love to see that.


That's worth a thread of its own, but it's outside the purview of the jury since our work is done and our comments are made before the results of the site voting are posted...

R.

Well, Meneer Bear, I was actually thinking of the jury's discussion of the merits images that later turned out to have placed highly in the popular vote.
03/05/2011 11:08:36 AM · #104
Another thought: It would be nice to be able to choose from images over a longer period of time -- even if it only goes back to the beginning of this year. Fine art, like fine wine, establishes itself over time. There's something counterproductive about, "go out and shoot fine art, you have a week."
03/05/2011 11:17:35 AM · #105
Originally posted by bvy:

Another thought: It would be nice to be able to choose from images over a longer period of time -- even if it only goes back to the beginning of this year. Fine art, like fine wine, establishes itself over time. There's something counterproductive about, "go out and shoot fine art, you have a week."
+1, what about Best Fine Art of a Year?
03/05/2011 11:19:40 AM · #106
If it doesn't materialise as a weekly challenge, there's always the possibility to run it like the Posthumous Challenge at the end of 2008 (was it really that long ago? goodness, seems like yesterday!). Someone could host the images anonymously and then the judges go a judging and award their ribbons without knowing who the entries belong to. I know it's a lot of extra work, but it's a possibility.

Just a thought since there is some interest and it's possible this won't appear in the "real" challenge, then it could be spread over a longer period of time (as Brian suggests in the earlier post), rather than be a week or a month.

03/05/2011 11:22:11 AM · #107
I'm expecting this to materialize as a "regular" challenge soon enough, no need to worry yet. It was VERY popular last time around, I can't think why they wouldn't do it again.

R.
03/05/2011 11:26:48 AM · #108
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It was VERY popular last time around

Well, it was certainly one of my favourites :)
03/05/2011 11:59:05 AM · #109
Originally posted by bvy:

Another thought: It would be nice to be able to choose from images over a longer period of time -- even if it only goes back to the beginning of this year. Fine art, like fine wine, establishes itself over time. There's something counterproductive about, "go out and shoot fine art, you have a week."

That would exclude some interested parties w/o a library of images of this genre. Also, one of the best aspects of DPC is the prod or stimulus to photograph something fresh, which may be out of our comfort zone. If this is a retrospective journey, then so be it. But, you'll leave some people waving goodbye from the shore.
03/05/2011 12:08:52 PM · #110
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by bvy:

Another thought: It would be nice to be able to choose from images over a longer period of time -- even if it only goes back to the beginning of this year. Fine art, like fine wine, establishes itself over time. There's something counterproductive about, "go out and shoot fine art, you have a week."

That would exclude some interested parties w/o a library of images of this genre. Also, one of the best aspects of DPC is the prod or stimulus to photograph something fresh, which may be out of our comfort zone. If this is a retrospective journey, then so be it. But, you'll leave some people waving goodbye from the shore.


No reason why they can shoot a fresh image.

@Brian...there was enough discussion last year prior to the challenge that plenty of submissions materialized <188>.
03/05/2011 12:11:34 PM · #111
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by bvy:

Another thought: It would be nice to be able to choose from images over a longer period of time -- even if it only goes back to the beginning of this year. Fine art, like fine wine, establishes itself over time. There's something counterproductive about, "go out and shoot fine art, you have a week."

That would exclude some interested parties w/o a library of images of this genre. Also, one of the best aspects of DPC is the prod or stimulus to photograph something fresh, which may be out of our comfort zone. If this is a retrospective journey, then so be it. But, you'll leave some people waving goodbye from the shore.
I don't think fine art is something you can treat the same way as compositional elements as Half, Negative Space, Leading Lines etc or a specific subject like Coffee. Giving it at least a month would significantly increase the quality of entries. Look at this month's Free Study - many amazing entries.
03/05/2011 12:12:27 PM · #112
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by hahn23:

If this is a retrospective journey, then so be it. But, you'll leave some people waving goodbye from the shore.


No reason why they can shoot a fresh image.


I think you misread Richard, Ben: he's saying if we EXTEND the timeframe, those without a library of such work may sit it out ("wave from the shore"); he's in favor of fresh shooting, as are you and I :-)

R.
03/05/2011 12:18:18 PM · #113
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by hahn23:

If this is a retrospective journey, then so be it. But, you'll leave some people waving goodbye from the shore.


No reason why they can shoot a fresh image.


I think you misread Richard, Ben: he's saying if we EXTEND the timeframe, those without a library of such work may sit it out ("wave from the shore"); he's in favor of fresh shooting, as are you and I :-)

R.


Yeah I know, I was thinking Brian was referring to a hidden gem type challenge, where we could still shoot a new image (I believe that's correct).
03/05/2011 12:19:00 PM · #114
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I think you misread Richard, Ben: he's saying if we EXTEND the timeframe, those without a library of such work may sit it out ("wave from the shore"); he's in favor of fresh shooting, as are you and I :-)

R.
Looks I am alone on this one. Signing off..
03/05/2011 12:20:31 PM · #115
Personally, I'd prefer the usual week-long shooting period.
03/05/2011 12:23:13 PM · #116
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Yeah I know, I was thinking Brian was referring to a hidden gem type challenge, where we could still shoot a new image (I believe that's correct).

Right. I didn't mean to preclude fresh shooting. Hidden Gem was actually the model I had in mind.

03/05/2011 12:46:47 PM · #117
I tend to agree with bvy on the time factor, although I seem to remember a fine arts catalogue that was produced in good time, possibly with the amphetamine of imaginary subversion.
03/05/2011 01:05:22 PM · #118
Originally posted by tnun:

... possibly with the amphetamine of imaginary subversion.

:)
03/05/2011 05:32:02 PM · #119
Originally posted by ubique:

Originally posted by tnun:

... possibly with the amphetamine of imaginary subversion.

:)


Yes, it must have been the uppers.
03/05/2011 06:57:19 PM · #120
yes, no time to sweat it.

Message edited by author 2011-03-05 18:58:45.
03/07/2011 12:05:48 AM · #121
OK, I've been a bit remiss at keeping up with DPC of late. I just discovered this discussion and apparently have agreed to be a juror. Well, OK, I kinda remember saying "I'll do that" when asked, but didn't realize there was a movement afoot! A movement! Can you imagine if three people walked in and sang a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walked out..?
03/07/2011 12:08:47 AM · #122
Originally posted by Melethia:

OK, I've been a bit remiss at keeping up with DPC of late. I just discovered this discussion and apparently have agreed to be a juror. Well, OK, I kinda remember saying "I'll do that" when asked, but didn't realize there was a movement afoot! A movement! Can you imagine if three people walked in and sang a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walked out..?


Haha! Welcome aboard!

R.
03/07/2011 12:10:04 AM · #123
Originally posted by Melethia:

OK, I've been a bit remiss at keeping up with DPC of late. I just discovered this discussion and apparently have agreed to be a juror. Well, OK, I kinda remember saying "I'll do that" when asked, but didn't realize there was a movement afoot! A movement! Can you imagine if three people walked in and sang a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walked out..?


I do recall warming up my singing voice!
03/07/2011 12:47:59 AM · #124
P.S. The link at the beginning of this thread leads to the challenge results from the normal voting - we also need the link to the juried results. Thanks!
03/07/2011 12:49:13 AM · #125
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Fine Art I Juried Results

Fostered discussion...one benefit from the last challenge.


Here you go.

Message edited by author 2011-03-07 00:50:18.
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