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02/09/2011 09:49:33 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
I also have a question about the editing. I shoot with an Olympus E-30 and I have only rarely played with the art filters but this challenge might be perfect for the "grainy film" or "Pinhole" art filter, is it legal for me to use it since it's done in camera? |
Yes. All that stuff, set in camera BEFORE exposure, is fine. What you can't do is in-camera effects added AFTER exposure.
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02/09/2011 09:56:39 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by chazoe:
I also have a question about the editing. I shoot with an Olympus E-30 and I have only rarely played with the art filters but this challenge might be perfect for the "grainy film" or "Pinhole" art filter, is it legal for me to use it since it's done in camera? |
Yes. All that stuff, set in camera BEFORE exposure, is fine. What you can't do is in-camera effects added AFTER exposure.
R. |
Cool. That is good to hear. Thanks. |
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02/09/2011 09:57:52 PM · #53 |
Please help me understand this line from Minimal Editing rules:
"You may not: ... use the Channel Mixer or any equivalent tool, except for the most basic black and white conversion as allowed above."
Does that say that I am allowed to convert to BW via channel mixer? |
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02/09/2011 10:02:44 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
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My first thought when I saw the challenge come up was Black and White baby! And as I look over the previous challenge results it seems that is the way to go. .... |
Could be good. But, the challenge does not require monochrome. Could be color or monochrome.... without voter prejudice.
To state the obvious:
You may set your camera to capture monochrome.
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"...You may fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed..." (rules out Silver Efex Pro, I think.)
But,
"...You may NOT adjust hue or saturation, adjust or eliminate individual color channels, or use the Channel Mixer or any equivalent tool, except for the most basic black and white conversion as allowed above."
So, the more effective B&W conversions are not available. The most basic methods are available. |
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02/09/2011 10:11:00 PM · #55 |
| I'm still curious about the channel mixer option. The last rule you quoted suggests that you can use an HSL layer to fully desaturate the image and nothing else. You can't really do that with a channel mixer without adjusting red, green and blue individually -- which seems contrary to the rules. So that is a bit unclear. |
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02/09/2011 10:20:51 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by nova:
Please help me understand this line from Minimal Editing rules:
"You may not: ... use the Channel Mixer or any equivalent tool, except for the most basic black and white conversion as allowed above."
Does that say that I am allowed to convert to BW via channel mixer? |
The only possible way to use the Channel Mixer under Minimal Rules would be to just check off the "Monochrome" checkbox without adjusting any sliders, and I'm pretty sure that that will give the same result as simply changing the mode to Grayscale in the Image menu.
Originally posted by bvy:
I'm still curious about the channel mixer option. The last rule you quoted suggests that you can use an HSL layer to fully desaturate the image and nothing else. You can't really do that with a channel mixer without adjusting red, green and blue individually -- which seems contrary to the rules. So that is a bit unclear. |
The Hue/Saturation adjustment is different from the Channel Mixer -- it has a slider which controls "saturation" separately from tonal value. You could slide that all the way over it the Master channel, but not on any of the individual colors.
For "safety" (against a DQ) I would recommend against using the Channel Mixer or anything else found under the Image > Adjust menu or the equivalent Adjustment Layers ... |
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02/10/2011 01:59:28 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by stevenov:
Here is some more inspiration: Vivian Maier |
oh wow, love this!! thank you! |
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02/10/2011 02:54:22 PM · #58 |
more inspiration... check out the street stuff.
eta: actually, check it all out.
Message edited by author 2011-02-10 15:29:51. |
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02/10/2011 03:29:00 PM · #59 |
and a few of  e301's many masterpieces...
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02/10/2011 03:34:44 PM · #60 |
| Curious to know why street photography seems to be so synonymous with black and white? |
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02/10/2011 03:48:37 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
more inspiration... check out the street stuff.
eta: actually, check it all out. |
Why not just check out his profile while you are at it??
 jjbeguin |
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02/10/2011 03:58:24 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
and a few of e301's many masterpieces... |
omg, fantastic!
Thanks for the post before too, actually gave me an idea for a great place to go around here.
Message edited by author 2011-02-10 15:59:28. |
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02/10/2011 04:00:21 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
Curious to know why street photography seems to be so synonymous with black and white? |
I think very much historical, street photography's 'golden period' was 30's-70's, obviously using film. You needed something that could handle wide exposure range as it was done fast, no time to get exposure exactly right, you pre-set the aperture and shutter speed and focus, it helped to have fast ASA. B+W had good exposure latitude unlike colour, was available in high speed, was much cheaper and you could develop and print yourself without much equipment, (Weegee used to develop and print in the boot of his car).
HCB, one of the most well known exponents disliked doing colour photography because he thought it firstly was not well enough supported in film technology at the time and added an extra complexity to manage when being 'in the moment'.
Personally I like it for aesthetic reasons, it is a new way to see common things - it extracts the essence rather than being clouded by colourful distractions. Of course everyones' aethsetics differ and I have seen some stunning colour street photography but tend to be drawn mostly to good B+W.
Message edited by author 2011-02-10 16:01:39. |
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02/11/2011 01:23:05 AM · #64 |
Uhhh, I need some help.
I went out shooting today and set my camera settings to Monochrome. I know it was working because the pictures were showing up as black and white in my view finder.
Now I uploaded them, and they are in color!!! Help? I don't know how to get around that with the Minimal editing in place |
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02/11/2011 01:34:47 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by Fiora:
Uhhh, I need some help.
I went out shooting today and set my camera settings to Monochrome. I know it was working because the pictures were showing up as black and white in my view finder.
Now I uploaded them, and they are in color!!! Help? I don't know how to get around that with the Minimal editing in place |
If you were shooting RAW, yes, they are in color as it is simply the raw data. The jpeg, which is what gets displayed, will be whatever you set it to. If you shot RAW plus jpeg (which is recommended, since you need the jpeg for minimal editing challenges) your jpeg will still be in whatever you set it to (monochrome in this case.)
Is there a chance you shot only RAW? Or that you only imported the RAW files and not the jpegs? |
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02/11/2011 01:52:19 AM · #66 |
I was actually wondering on that. Best i remember using ViewNX2 to convert the file to tiff or jpeg it honors the in camera settings and displays as B&W unless u tell it not to, same for other settings like Vivid and i wondered how the rules would handle this. Should be allowed for the most part.
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02/11/2011 02:30:43 AM · #67 |
Shoot, I only shot in RAW. Daaaaaaang it. I was so brave to actually take street pictures, lol and now I can't use them
Thanks Melethia, you were spot on |
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02/11/2011 03:34:42 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by Fiora:
Shoot, I only shot in RAW. Daaaaaaang it. I was so brave to actually take street pictures, lol and now I can't use them
Thanks Melethia, you were spot on |
There's plenty more time. Go be brave some more! |
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02/11/2011 06:39:17 PM · #69 |
Hey guys... Need alittle help on this one...
I'm using Nikon Capture NX2, and it has the option called "Black and White Conversion"... Now, when I do this, there are slider bars to the right that are adjustable, obviously, I can't use those. My question is, can I use the "Black and White Conversion" feature, so long as I do NOT touch the sliders and they stay at the default position? If this way is not legal, how do I legally do a Black and White conversion in NX2? Thank again
Message edited by author 2011-02-11 18:40:54. |
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02/11/2011 06:52:31 PM · #70 |
| It sounds like you're shooting RAW which is not allowed. You need a JPG file from the camera, in which case you can use any editor to convert to B&W (providing it's a one step function). I don't know the NX2 program, but if it works on your JPG files, it sounds like the Black and White Conversion option you mention might be okay. |
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02/11/2011 06:57:45 PM · #71 |
I went shooting today. It was fun. I liked the shots. 4 hours later, they are just snapshots. *sigh*
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02/11/2011 07:55:26 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by bvy:
It sounds like you're shooting RAW which is not allowed. You need a JPG file from the camera, in which case you can use any editor to convert to B&W (providing it's a one step function). I don't know the NX2 program, but if it works on your JPG files, it sounds like the Black and White Conversion option you mention might be okay. |
Nah I made a distinct point to shoot jpeg... I am just curious if the way to convert to black and white in Nx2 was legal? |
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02/11/2011 08:04:03 PM · #73 |
You should check with Site Council. It's this that makes me nervous about your process:
You may not:
- Use a RAW original or RAW conversion software...
NX2 may work on JPG's but its primary purpose is conversion of Nikon RAW files. |
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02/11/2011 08:38:09 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by bvy:
You should check with Site Council. It's this that makes me nervous about your process:
You may not:
- Use a RAW original or RAW conversion software...
NX2 may work on JPG's but its primary purpose is conversion of Nikon RAW files. |
Wow... That's a great point... Thanks for pointing that out... I also have gimp, so what is the best way to do a simple black and white conversion? |
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02/11/2011 09:14:35 PM · #75 |
| I have Gimp 2.6.8 but don't use it very often. Anyway, it seems to be (from the menu) Image | Mode | Grayscale. |
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