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02/04/2011 04:21:22 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
You don't have to use and at the start of a sentence.
"They're full of misplaced apostrophes and common spelling errors. In addition nothing is capitalized correctly."
One way it could be done I guess. However if we all worried about how the world wouldn't come to an end because of this. We would never get anything done. |
But isn't "in addition" and appositive, and it should require a comma? |
Nope, just a preposition. Appositives describe subjects.
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02/04/2011 04:21:30 PM · #52 |
Yeah that actually sounds right wendy. As i said i failed by English and Spanish so its not like it matters. I speak in Pascal better anyways.
Message edited by author 2011-02-04 16:22:18.
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02/04/2011 04:21:33 PM · #53 |
Atrocious comma misapplication is another worrisome trend.
Originally posted by vawendy:
And what about the series comma? When did it become acceptable to drop that last comma? |
The Oxford Canadian Writer's Handbook says the final series comma -- the "Oxford comma", which comes before the conjunction -- is often dropped in "common use", but causes ambiguity. To wit:
"He was proud of his large kitchen, spacious backyard, airy living room with large fireplace and two fifty-foot cedars."
Two fifty-foot cedars in the living room, you say? |
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02/04/2011 04:24:02 PM · #54 |
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02/04/2011 04:35:42 PM · #55 |
Incidentally, for a more up-to-date example, it is incorrect to say:
"I'm going to login to DPC." Wrong. "Login" is a noun.
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"Send me your log in name and password." Wrong. "Log" is a verb, "in" is a preposition describing the action of the verb. |
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02/04/2011 04:36:34 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The one that's currently driving me crazy is the growing acceptance of "their/they" as a singular for purposes of gender-neutrality. I've never seen a better solution though, if we accept that his/her is too clumsy for common usage.
R. |
I use that one sometimes, though mostly I try to avoid writing sentences requiring such a pronoun. Marge Piercy, in her novel Woman On The Edge Of Time, has some of characters use per (contracted from "person") as a gender-neutral form. In the old (electric typewriter) days I would sometimes use the form s/he as shorter and easier to pronounce than the he/she business, ... |
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02/04/2011 04:45:39 PM · #57 |
We speak English without having a "verbal apostrophe" to indicate possession or contraction.
It's a wonder we can understand a thing people say ;)
Are there really many realistic cases in written prose where the meaning is misunderstood because of lacking or misplaced apostrophes?
Isn't the apostrophe simply a cute anachronism adding little real value other than to inflame sticklers for rules and regulations?
If I were to remove the 2 apostrophes in the text of this post, would it really change its understood meaning in any way?
Message edited by author 2011-02-04 16:49:24. |
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02/04/2011 04:47:31 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
If one does not want to learn the rules, just take a moment to run your spelling and grammar checker incorporated into your browser before posting. |
If one wants to use third person, one should continue using third person throughout the sentence and not switch to second person imperative. |
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02/04/2011 04:52:13 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by hahn23:
If one does not want to learn the rules, just take a moment to run your spelling and grammar checker incorporated into your browser before posting. |
If one wants to use third person, one should continue using third person throughout the sentence and not switch to second person imperative. |
Oh My..... lol.
@han23 - So where is this grammar checker in Fx 3.6.x? Never seen it and I have been using Firefox for a long time. A quick google turns up add ons, but nothing about it being built in.
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02/04/2011 04:52:59 PM · #60 |
| Im going over to the gun thread and shoot apostrophys. |
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02/04/2011 05:03:22 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Im going over to the gun thread and shoot apostrophys. |
Watch out for return fire. Them thangs be deadly ya know.
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02/04/2011 05:03:43 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Im going over to the gun thread and shoot apostrophys. |
Then will you have it stuffed and mounted on your wall as a 'trophy' ... |
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02/04/2011 05:03:52 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by jonkster:
We speak English without having a "verbal apostrophe" to indicate possession or contraction.
It's a wonder we can understand a thing people say ;)
Are there really many realistic cases in written prose where the meaning is misunderstood because of lacking or misplaced apostrophes?
Isn't the apostrophe simply a cute anachronism adding little real value other than to inflame sticklers for rules and regulations?
If I were to remove the 2 apostrophes in the text of this post, would it really change its understood meaning in any way?
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Well survive without the apostrophe. Bear_Musics approval notwithstanding. Hell be okay. Were going to survive. |
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02/04/2011 05:15:14 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Im going over to the gun thread and shoot apostrophys. |
Then will you have it stuffed and mounted on your wall as a 'trophy' ... |
Shot at 2 and only got one. Its now mounted on the wall over the fireplace. My laptop now has a hole in the screen in the upper left hand corner. Anyone know how to fix that without replacing the screen. |
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02/04/2011 05:16:46 PM · #65 |
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02/04/2011 05:22:41 PM · #66 |
I know how the spell checker works. I don't believe it works any different than other apps that underline words in question. I already mentioned Add-ons. I was referring to the following statement.
Originally posted by hahn23:
I just looked at three browsers. Safari 5.0.3, FF 3.6.13 and Chrome 9.0.597.84. It appears they all have built-in grammar and spelling checkers. |
It appears not. If i needed it to function in my daily life then I might download one. However if I could not do it myself. Then how am I to know that the checker is giving me the correct suggestion?
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02/04/2011 05:26:49 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
.... If i needed it to function in my daily life then I might download one. However if I could not do it myself. Then how am I to know that the checker is giving me the correct suggestion? |
You make a very strong argument. Some people look at the bright side. If you did, too, we'd be able to call you an internal optometrist. |
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02/04/2011 05:28:54 PM · #68 |
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02/04/2011 05:46:24 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
.... If i needed it to function in my daily life then I might download one. However if I could not do it myself. Then how am I to know that the checker is giving me the correct suggestion? |
You make a very strong argument. Some people look at the bright side. If you did, too, we'd be able to call you an internal optometrist. |
What is the bright side. The fact that well educated Neurotypical people like to sit around and have these discussions. Or that they like to pretend it will bring the end of society as we know it. The part I leave out that bothers me, is the verbal slapping.
The bright side is that we speak without capitalization and punctuation. Even if some of it is emulated through pauses and forms of expression. Grammar is one thing that has extra meaning in writing than it does in speech.
The world will go on and it is possible to be driven by people with little education in such matters. Actually the world depends on people who will tolerate being crapped on in the name of society.
Message edited by author 2011-02-04 17:46:52.
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02/04/2011 05:54:15 PM · #70 |
| Another worrisome trend is the creeping demonization of educated people. |
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02/04/2011 06:10:55 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Another worrisome trend is the creeping demonization of educated people. |
How is it a trend? If you look back say 200 years. Is there a difference? I don't see anything other than the means for masses to communicate in a larger forum. People tend to notice things new to them and worry about it. Even if it existed well before and well after their time.
If you don't beat up everyone around you. Less of them will beat you up about it. I received a diploma and went to college. I never attempted to apply myself in a field I would not excel in. Nor do I think everyone should tell people to put down what they are doing and master the language of their choice. I have some free time to do what I wish with. But many people have to spend that time trying to survive.
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02/04/2011 06:42:27 PM · #72 |
Sometimes educated people can be real jerks.
I relish my freedom to spell, invent, invert, and generally despoil the language. |
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02/04/2011 06:55:09 PM · #73 |
| If we make everyone use the apostrophe correctly then maybe we should police the there's, their, the're there people! |
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02/04/2011 06:55:50 PM · #74 |
| sometimes education makes you realise, some things aren't that important... :) |
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02/04/2011 07:10:12 PM · #75 |
| Screw the apostrophe. That's child's play. Let's talk semi-colons. |
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