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07/08/2004 11:21:07 AM · #76
Yeah! I'm average.
Votes: 119
Views: 142
Avg Vote: 5.0000
Comments: 6
This is my second challenge. My first was the June study and was really just a test to see how the system works. It was an admittedly poor shot and yet received 4.814. This submission is technically a MUCH better shot and I feel a very clean and unique concept and it's only a 5? I'm confused. Oh well, I guess we'll see what the "final" results are.
07/08/2004 12:20:16 PM · #77
Question: Did I miss somewhere that selective desaturation was allowed as an extra rule in this challenge? If so, where would it have been posted? (Just making sure that I didn't miss something).
07/08/2004 12:31:19 PM · #78
De-Sat is allowed in open challenges...
07/08/2004 12:32:04 PM · #79
Originally posted by lindsay:

Question: Did I miss somewhere that selective desaturation was allowed as an extra rule in this challenge? If so, where would it have been posted? (Just making sure that I didn't miss something).


Yes, apperently there may be some illegal edits in this challenge.

//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_vote_list.php?CHALLENGE_ID=233

Says basic editing with no exceptions.

Edit: Sorry EddyG

Message edited by author 2004-07-08 12:36:11.
07/08/2004 12:35:29 PM · #80
Originally posted by redmondson01:

De-Sat is allowed in open challenges...


There's desat and there's selective desat, very different by the rules whcih explicitly say that filters must only be applied to the entire image.

Message edited by author 2004-07-08 12:37:08.
07/08/2004 12:36:46 PM · #81
It is possible to perform "selective desaturation" within the confines of the Basic Editing rules, making it "legal".

See for example, this photo by dsidwell:
07/08/2004 12:42:02 PM · #82
Hm, yes. Very tricky. I guess basic isn't as basic as I had in mind.
07/08/2004 12:43:45 PM · #83
Thanks, Eddy. That's very interesting (and tricky!) My question then becomes... if that is accomplished by selecting one color uniformly across the whole image to desaturate, isn't is still "selectively" desaturating? Hehe.. just a thought. I'm not trying to argue with the validity of such an action.
07/08/2004 03:18:16 PM · #84
i think the rule in basis editting is that an effect has to be applied to the whole image. You're not allowed editting just a selected area.

I agree by the way that there is something missing in this challenge. In a real pitch for a commercial not only your target audience is important, but also the image and message you want to communicate, the strategy of the campaign on the whole.
07/09/2004 02:17:14 AM · #85
I used de-sat on my entry and had to have it validated for some reason but it never helped much as you can see below

Votes: 166
Views: 205
Avg Vote: 4.9940
Comments: 5
Favorites: 0
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Updated: 07/09/04 02:00 am
Status: Your submission has been validated, thank you.

07/09/2004 04:00:32 AM · #86
to affirm and contrast imagineer's comments...
Yes, an image used in advertising would have accompanying text and likely be part of a larger campaign, but that's not to say that a single photo can not drive an ad. For your headline, you have the Title portion of your entry. I think what this brief really called for was one of the following:
- concept-driven image (David LaChapelle would be a classic case)
- "studio" product shot
- atmosphere/experience shot - demonstrating the value or "soul" of a product
- emotional reaction shot
...or something else that fits, or a combination of the above. I'm sure I didn't cover every possible case that fits in the brief, but you get the idea.

Take the Cooper Mini campaign as an example - a shot of the car on black, simple enough but not really selling itself -- the copy makes the ad and makes the sale. Not ideal for this challenge, as the photo was supposed to do that job. Maybe I've been in advertising/design too long :)

just a thought...
07/09/2004 10:39:42 AM · #87
I thought the challenge details were pretty specific about what kind of shot to enter for this one -

"Your job is to photograph a product and have it appeal to your audience: the users of DPChallenge."

But there are still many entries that are just the same kind of shots that appear in every other challenge and don't even come close to depicting a product. I am getting tired of having to justify in my mind for the photographers how their entries fit the challenge when they really don't; especially when it is such an easy topic to meet if you try.

At some point it becomes offensive to the voters to have so many stretches and shoehorn attempts to look at. And it's not really fair to the photographers who made the effort to meet the theme if the voters don't penalize the stretchers and shoehorners with a lowered score. I don't enjoy giving out votes as low as I have for this one but how else can you discourage the ones that seem like they haven't read the details and don't even attempt to meet the topic?
07/09/2004 11:03:14 AM · #88
I think the only way to affect the scalawags who don't think about the challenge is not to vote for them at all. If you give a 1 to every image that was clearly thrown in for no reason, then you will get a bad voting average, and people won't respect your comments. I have taken to voting for the best images first, then working my way through the lower numbers. Takes longer, but then I know I voted for my favorites for sure, and the lower numbers get more of my time toward the end, when I'm willing to be patient with them and describe what could be improved instead of writing "What were you thinking?!?" (actually, I've never written that, but you get the point!)
07/09/2004 12:27:31 PM · #89
Originally posted by coolhar:

I thought the challenge details were pretty specific about what kind of shot to enter for this one -

"Your job is to photograph a product and have it appeal to your audience: the users of DPChallenge."

But there are still many entries that are just the same kind of shots that appear in every other challenge and don't even come close to depicting a product. I am getting tired of having to justify in my mind for the photographers how their entries fit the challenge when they really don't; especially when it is such an easy topic to meet if you try.

At some point it becomes offensive to the voters to have so many stretches and shoehorn attempts to look at. And it's not really fair to the photographers who made the effort to meet the theme if the voters don't penalize the stretchers and shoehorners with a lowered score. I don't enjoy giving out votes as low as I have for this one but how else can you discourage the ones that seem like they haven't read the details and don't even attempt to meet the topic?


I have to totally agree with you coolhar. However, I would like to point out that I think there were some entries where the people who took there subject of choice (flowers, pets etc.) and put a little thought and imagination into it and came up with what I thought were really good entries. I don't want to get specific with the challenge still going, but a couple of these were among my favorites.

I point this out because I wish they could be an example to say to people Hey, there is nothing wrong with having specific things you like shooting all the time but, with a little creativity and thought, you can still nail the challenge nicely. Wouldn't it be nice to avoid all the "doesn't fit challenge" flak, and the inevitable post challenge forum debate/whining/rants?

I try to really give some leeway in voting and try to get what the person is saying, but a lot of times it just seems like obvious shoehorning. I really appreciate the ones that people have worked with to make fit (and I don't mean just by using a title that works).

Just my opinion folks. :-) Flower,pet, bug etc. people, please don't hate me...I still think a lot of your shots are awesome. :-D

Message edited by author 2004-07-09 12:29:11.
07/09/2004 12:38:02 PM · #90
would be really neat to enhance the voting, to avoid all the clarifying done in forums.

for instance, rather than simply "Rate the Image":

Subject Meets Challenge: (1-10)
Technical Merit: (1-10)
Originality: (1-10)

Of course, this will add hours to the current voting system. :)
07/10/2004 08:34:56 PM · #91
Originally posted by slim:

would be really neat to enhance the voting, to avoid all the clarifying done in forums.

for instance, rather than simply "Rate the Image":

Subject Meets Challenge: (1-10)
Technical Merit: (1-10)
Originality: (1-10)

Of course, this will add hours to the current voting system. :)


I think it might not be a bad idea to catagorize the voting...
Meets the challenge
Technical Merit
Overall Impact...
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