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 01/10/2011 09:26:02 AM · #76
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Avg Vote: 5.5556
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A little better now. My first comment said my image was "perfectly balanced". Well, it's perfectly leveled and squared to the world, but it's VERY unbalanced with regards to elements. Are some people thinking an image must be tilted or unlevel, or simply off center to meet the challenge criteria? Those are different and separate challenges that have nothing to do with out-of-balance composition. I did find some very good images in this challenge. 1-10s; 2- 9s; 2-8s; 10-7s.
 01/10/2011 10:26:41 AM · #77
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Views: 54
Avg Vote: 6.1538
Comments: 3

Can't say I expected this. But then I really had no idea what to expect ;-) Still, had fun thinking about what sort of image might meet the challenge and shooting for it. So a decent score is a bonus.
 01/10/2011 10:38:15 AM · #78
Originally posted by Kelli:
One good comment, one dnmc...

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Avg Vote: 5.6111
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Happier voters this morning...

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01/10/2011 10:40:14 AM · #79
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Avg Vote: 5.7241
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Went to bed with a 6.78 at 12 votes , where I had received a 4 a 6 and the rest were all 7s 8s 9s 10s
Clearly the night voters were not nearly as generous. I went down a full point.
Very disappointing, but my silver lining is that at least it shows I am not completely insane about predicting how good/bad an image is :-P
01/10/2011 11:13:12 AM · #80
I actually thought there were a great many wonderful images in here - which I would be useless to classify as in or out of balance, but which were thoughtfully crafted and processed.

I freely admit to simply not understanding this "out of balance" concept WHATSOEVER. The snob in me is just compelled to say that "out of balance" is just a game of semantics for "off-center"... I've read all the links trying to describe it and I feel no more enlightened than before I read them. To me, "out of balance" is much more a matter of perception (which is highly individual and subjective) rather than a matter of composition (and thus, objective). The uploaded sample images all looked balanced in one way or another (if off-center or tilted, etc.) to me.

In the end, "effective" (another vague term) I took to address image quality, which is what I ultimately voted on. While this turned out to be an excruciatingly obtuse challenge to decipher (and I'm not terribly convinced it ever was nor will be), I do like the mental exercise. However, in the future, when such obscure and philosophical themes are suggested, it might be helpful for the suggester to also submit an image that best reflects that concept.
01/10/2011 11:18:57 AM · #81
Originally posted by tanguera:
I actually thought there were a great many wonderful images in here - which I would be useless to classify as in or out of balance, but which were thoughtfully crafted and processed.

I freely admit to simply not understanding this "out of balance" concept WHATSOEVER. The snob in me is just compelled to say that "out of balance" is just a game of semantics for "off-center"... I've read all the links trying to describe it and I feel no more enlightened than before I read them. To me, "out of balance" is much more a matter of perception (which is highly individual and subjective) rather than a matter of composition (and thus, objective). The uploaded sample images all looked balanced in one way or another (if off-center or tilted, etc.) to me.

In the end, "effective" (another vague term) I took to address image quality, which is what I ultimately voted on. While this turned out to be an excruciatingly obtuse challenge to decipher (and I'm not terribly convinced it ever was nor will be), I do like the mental exercise. However, in the future, when such obscure and philosophical themes are suggested, it might be helpful for the suggester to also submit an image that best reflects that concept.


Exactly my thoughts! I searched the internet up & down and found many (including the links provided) that showed a "balanced" photo. But not one example of what would be considered "unbalanced". So I went with my gut. I've got two great comments (one from you, thank you very much!) and one dnmc comment. But I have a score that is way above my average, so I'm more than happy.
 01/10/2011 11:30:05 AM · #82
I figured mine would not fit everyone's interpretation of the topic, and the score so far is reflecting that. I think the only think keeping it where it is, is that it's probably a pretty decent photo.

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01/10/2011 11:52:09 AM · #83
Originally posted by hahn23:
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Avg Vote: 5.5556
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A little better now. My first comment said my image was "perfectly balanced". Well, it's perfectly leveled and squared to the world, but it's VERY unbalanced with regards to elements. Are some people thinking an image must be tilted or unlevel, or simply off center to meet the challenge criteria? Those are different and separate challenges that have nothing to do with out-of-balance composition. I did find some very good images in this challenge. 1-10s; 2- 9s; 2-8s; 10-7s.


Yes, I think you've nailed the cause of my score...
 01/10/2011 11:52:21 AM · #84
Votes: 35
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Avg Vote: 5.8286
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 01/10/2011 12:06:33 PM · #85
Originally posted by sjhuls:
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I really read up on what constitutes an unbalanced photo. Even went so far as to seek out the colors I thought would bring the best unbalance to my photo. I feel the photo was technically sound. Apparantely I was wrong.


I'm right there with you! Colors, cropping, sharpness etc. Everything is technically what I thought an unbalanced photo should be.
Votes: 31
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01/10/2011 12:15:21 PM · #86
Still going down. I would assume it's not out of whack enough.
 01/10/2011 12:22:46 PM · #87
This challenge is a great example of why I am here... To LEARN!

I, like many others, was unclear as to what the concept meant, much less how to pull it off effectively, and so I diligently read through the entire 5 pages of the Out of Balance thread prior to deciding on my composition, including the two excellent tutorials DCNUTTER posted.

I then made my first mistake, one oft repeated... after investing hours in the set-up, shooting, and PP, I was still not happy with my result, but entered anyway. The "Eye Candy" element I tried to include in my image drew the eye in a direction contrary to the OOB rules as I understood them, so I decided on a version which as tanguera might put it was not "effective", but by my count still included 3 of the 9 compositional rules of OOB as outlined by the tutorials. I knew it would not be high scoring, but was interested in the commentary on the composition.

This AM I awoke to view four letters that although perhaps implied, have never actually appeared in any of my 250 odd comments I have received.... DNMC! I think that is another of my problems, I generally concentrate too much on the challenge theme, and not enough of the composition itself, so that was a new one for me!

I bring this up just to emphasize the lack of clarity and understanding of this particular challenge , not to complain about the comment or the score. I never expected to nail a concept the first time I tried shooting it, but again, that is why I am here. To be challenged.

BTW, it is doing better than I expected, but not by much! ;)
Cheers,

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01/10/2011 12:33:06 PM · #88
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Avg Vote: 5.8056
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Much higher than expected and one comment spot on my intentions (I might add that in my opinion it is not a great photo, maybe just a bit ingenious)

PS I have scored highly quite a few photos I thought were balanced as my definition of balance is much broader than most others' BUT my definition of effective is probably much narrower. So far there were only 3 photos that were both unbalanced and very effective in my way of thinking.

Please remember it is all very subjective but in spite of that great photos will score high and win!

Message edited by author 2011-01-10 12:38:01.
 01/10/2011 12:44:11 PM · #89
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Avg Vote: 5.8250
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I wasn't sure about fully meeting the criteria for this challenge, and I think most voters feel the same way about my entry. I think some met the challenge very well. A very interesting challenge to push us towards a clearer view of composition and how it relates.
 01/10/2011 04:28:45 PM · #90
Originally posted by hahn23:
Are some people thinking an image must be tilted or unlevel, or simply off center to meet the challenge criteria? Those are different and separate challenges that have nothing to do with out-of-balance composition. I did find some very good images in this challenge. 1-10s; 2- 9s; 2-8s; 10-7s.


Mine is all of the above and whilst did get up to a 5.7 is now back down to 5.2. I think the voters are unbalanced.
 01/10/2011 04:40:36 PM · #91
Votes: 36
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Avg Vote: 5.1667
Comments: 2

Started relatively good but keeps going down.

Btw thank you marnet for pointing out the effectiveness - on my entry as well :). I'm really curious about your perception, maybe we could discuss it more after the voting ends.

Wow, 5.1026 while I wasn't looking :).
 01/10/2011 04:43:27 PM · #92
I think this challenge was challenging, and feel that is a good exercise. I gave it a lot of thought and study, and want to pursue it further. I'd like to be able to use the out of balance concept to create tension and positive discomfort when I want that effect.

Meanwhile, my score is full of discomfort -- around 4.8 at this time. I know I've gotten some 7s, but apparently I've gotten a lot more 3s and 4s. One comment said it was disturbing (I don't see that, but perhaps it is the off-balance discomfort), and one had very positive things to say.
 01/10/2011 04:44:31 PM · #93
What tanguera wrote. All I could think of was something that might seem poorly composed, insofar as composition is essentially about balance(s), but isn't and which is therefore totally stunning.

eta: Julianne, I win at 4.7500.

Message edited by author 2011-01-10 16:45:30.
 01/10/2011 04:45:03 PM · #94
Originally posted by Judi:
...I think the voters are unbalanced.

No disagreement with that. :)
 01/10/2011 05:01:08 PM · #95
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by Judi:
...I think the voters are unbalanced.

No disagreement with that. :)

So the voters meet the challenge? :)
 01/10/2011 05:01:38 PM · #96
35 votes, 0 comments, and average vote of 4.9. I'm hoping to get some comments so I can understand my low scoring. I spent last week studying composition balance and tried to apply what I'd learned. I'll skip voting in this one because my interpretation is obviously off. Good luck everybody and I'll be interested to see what an off balance composition looks like when the voting ends.
 01/10/2011 05:07:57 PM · #97
Originally posted by insteps:
I'll be interested to see what an off balance composition looks like when the voting ends.


We may never know.
 01/10/2011 05:11:10 PM · #98
Originally posted by insteps:
I'm hoping to get some comments so I can understand my low scoring.


I am still determined to comment on all submissions but I am only 62% through. It is a tough job! And I am more and more unbalanced! ;)
01/10/2011 05:59:43 PM · #99
Originally posted by marnet:

I am still determined to comment on all submissions but I am only 62% through. It is a tough job! And I am more and more unbalanced! ;)


And maybe the more unbalanced you get, the more you should consider re-looking at the pictures you determinded to be DNMC... just a thought.
 01/10/2011 06:13:53 PM · #100
Originally posted by tvsometime:

And maybe the more unbalanced you get, the more you should consider re-looking at the pictures you determinded to be DNMC... just a thought.


Agree with that. After reading more about unbalanced my new theory is that effective = making seemingly unbalanced balanced!! See the example with horses in one of the references mentioned before.
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