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12/03/2010 10:43:47 PM · #1
Perfect post for this season.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE
12/04/2010 08:24:45 AM · #2
Coolio, that mall isn't too far from where I live. We need more Flash Mobs. :-D
12/04/2010 10:32:09 AM · #3
You've probably already seen this, but it's similar.

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12/04/2010 12:02:49 PM · #4
I LOVE flash mobs. Definitely need more of them. Both of these made me cry. Happy tears.
12/04/2010 02:01:24 PM · #5
Really nice! I didn't see anything as to where it was or what choir group. Does anyone know?

And Leo, I spent 26 years of my life defending a country I thought was based on freedom of speech and religion. Was I wrong? I do not agree with "banning" Christmas trees or displays, but I also do not agree with prejudice against religions other than Christianity either. Live and let live, yes?
12/04/2010 02:49:12 PM · #6
Ah, let's not turn this into a Rant. Let's just enjoy the beauty of the Spirit of these clips. Loved them! Big tears.
12/04/2010 02:50:56 PM · #7
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Melethia, ... Adapt, or leave" is my motto, not "adapt or take over".

Getting rid of "Christmas" is not freedom of speech... it is invasion of a culture. A culture belongs to The Untied States. Yes, United States has its culture... When you say "Freedom of speech", it is a part of the same culture, otherwise (for some) United States is only collective of cultures, then I argue, which one "Freedom of speech" belongs to.
12/04/2010 02:52:47 PM · #8
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Ah, let's not turn this into a Rant. Let's just enjoy the beauty of the Spirit of these clips. Loved them! Big tears.


Agreed, however, after the video, and the latest news about some of the banks... I just had to say a few things.

Video is awesome... and I am not even christian, I enjoyed it a lot, and will share with others.
12/04/2010 06:01:01 PM · #9
My understanding is banks are private institutions. They can do whatever they want with regard to holiday displays, yes? I wasn't aware the government could tell banks not to celebrate Christmas. I'm all for Christmas - wonderful time of year!
12/04/2010 06:47:12 PM · #10
Originally posted by Melethia:

...My understanding is banks are private institutions. They can do whatever they want with regard to holiday displays, yes?...


So does everyone else... It doesn't matter private or not, it's the culture... culture is not government, it's the country with all private entities in it as well.

Because of "complains" from "some" clients, bank considers what to do or what not to do. Here is my problem with this situation. If there are few complains from atheist or muslim clients for example saying that they are offended by the Christmas tree, bank changes their policy to adjust for those few people, because it (bank) knows others have more tolerance (for now).
It's not only the banks, but other private entities started to do same lately. Did you know most of the apartment complexes are not letting you hang American flags to your balcony?

Adjusting rules for minority's comfort and ignoring majority's discomfort is my problem, especially for a country.

Remember, "Adapt, or leave", not "Adapt, or take over"

I am VERY sure there won't be take over, but our tolerance level will drop to fix this situation (probably sooner than we think)
12/04/2010 08:00:01 PM · #11
Well that's the beauty of a free society, isn't it? Would you rather the owners/businesses make the decisions, or would you want the government to dictate what they can and can't do? There's a truck dealer somewhere in Texas giving away AK-47s with each of the big RAM trucks. Pretty sure there are those who think that's not politically correct, but they're a private business, and that's what they choose to do.

If the owners want to put up a Christmas tree, then by God, they should. If someone doesn't like that, well, then they have the right (in this country) to voice their disapproval. And the owner can say "Thanks for your input!" and leave the tree up. I like that they have that option. My point is I'd rather that the individual businesses decide, than the government decide for them. If they're caving to the minority, then that's a spinal problem of some kind.

If we come down to adapt or leave, I may have to leave. I firmly believe in a democracy.
12/04/2010 08:13:28 PM · #12
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Reminds me the those F@$#ing banks getting rid of the Christmas threes... to make muslims and other religions happy.. here in US... a christian country... yes, a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY... eat it or beat it.


Atta boy...you show them just how tolerant you are. I am saying you because I refuse to believe that you speak for all Christians.

Happy holidays to you too.

Ray
12/04/2010 08:14:52 PM · #13
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Reminds me the those F@$#ing banks getting rid of the Christmas threes... to make muslims and other religions happy.. here in US... a christian country... yes, a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY... eat it or beat it.


Atta boy...you show them just how tolerant you are. I am saying you because I refuse to believe that you speak for all Christians.

Happy holidays to you too.

Ray


Nope. He doesn't.

Love the link!

Message edited by author 2010-12-04 20:15:17.
12/04/2010 08:30:43 PM · #14
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Originally posted by Melethia:

...My understanding is banks are private institutions. They can do whatever they want with regard to holiday displays, yes?...


So does everyone else... It doesn't matter private or not, it's the culture... culture is not government, it's the country with all private entities in it as well.

Because of "complains" from "some" clients, bank considers what to do or what not to do. Here is my problem with this situation. If there are few complains from atheist or muslim clients for example saying that they are offended by the Christmas tree, bank changes their policy to adjust for those few people, because it (bank) knows others have more tolerance (for now).
It's not only the banks, but other private entities started to do same lately. Did you know most of the apartment complexes are not letting you hang American flags to your balcony?

Adjusting rules for minority's comfort and ignoring majority's discomfort is my problem, especially for a country.

Remember, "Adapt, or leave", not "Adapt, or take over"

I am VERY sure there won't be take over, but our tolerance level will drop to fix this situation (probably sooner than we think)


I find it highly amusing and sad that the majority religious group in this country constantly feels the need to feel persecuted by the minority religious groups and always feels threatened by sharing the country with anyone else.
12/04/2010 10:10:34 PM · #15
Originally posted by RayEthier:

...Atta boy...you show them just how tolerant you are. ...


I am NOT tolerant, that's why I fight back always.

As I said, I am not Cristian, but I have respect to traditions, culture and constitution. I adjust wherever I live, not the other way.

Not only I, but history tells us, strong countries usually have unity in everything. Usually younger countries are strong, because they do start with unity, not diversion. What goes wrong afterward is smaller groups start to ask their own rights as larger groups, and that causes contrast which finally destroys a health body.

I came to this country 21 years ago, because I didn't like the way I was treated where I was. I started to learn English, and respect every holidays... religious or traditional, without wining. I never understood people coming here and start complaining about things HERE, and talking how much they love their own countries... so why? why are you even bother to show up. In their view, money is here, better life is here...

If money and better life is here, that means something is working here that some other countries couldn't achieve. So, leave it as is, don't try to change it, and just adjust.

This link here is awesome sample of how can WE as traditional Americans can fight back.

Question... if there is a complain about this Hallelujah Chorus, and because of that complain, cops throw them into jail for public disturbances... what would you feel? Happy, because some minority group didn't like the song? Or angry... You know my answer
12/04/2010 10:51:39 PM · #16
The beautiful thing about our capitalist society is that if you disagree with say, a bank's choice to remove their christmas tree as a show of their "religious tolerance", then you can remove your money from said bank and put it in one that honors the christian tradition.

I don't think that makes you intolerant of other cultures - I think it's perfectly reasonable to take that as an assault on your own religion - especially if the bank is deviating from its previous tradition.

Can't please everyone, but fortunately, we don't have to live in an unpleasant state if we don't want to.

Most of the time ;)
12/04/2010 11:01:03 PM · #17
Ah shaddap.

Anyway, just beautiful. I got chills. I would have loved to have been in that food court, though I did hike the Bruce Trail, which passes just north of there, this summer. :-P Remember, that mall is in Canada. Happens to be a separate country.

Message edited by author 2010-12-04 23:06:40.
12/04/2010 11:12:27 PM · #18
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

...Atta boy...you show them just how tolerant you are. ...


I am NOT tolerant, that's why I fight back always.


WELL.. that does explain things a lot.

Ray
12/04/2010 11:20:55 PM · #19
Cool video!

Not sure how it has anything to do with banks though. Decisions to avoid holiday decorations are not necessarily made out of deference to minority groups. What if a bank just didn't want to be viewed as participating in the over-commercialization of Christmas? Perhaps they want to maintain an atmosphere that was strictly business. Maybe the owners themselves are not Christian. Decorations may take up space that's needed for in-house marketing or other bank-related materials. Maybe the bank has better uses for their client's money than spending it on temporary decorations and off-season storage? A large bank with branches in many regions might favor corporate consistency rather than allow Christmas trees in some neighborhoods and menorahs in others even if nobody has complained. The bank's insurance provider might even bar holiday decorations as a potential liability. The point is there are many possible reasons for the absence of decorations, and assuming a bank or other business is anti-Christmas or pandering to minority opinions may be as misguided as you believe their intentions to be.
12/04/2010 11:21:33 PM · #20
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Pgerst, thanks for posting that. Yes, it was a very special thing to happen.

Reminds me that "Peace on Earth, Good Will Towards All" is what is taught in our culture.
12/04/2010 11:24:26 PM · #21
Originally posted by sfalice:

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Pgerst, thanks for posting that. Yes, it was a very special thing to happen.

Reminds me that "Peace on Earth, Good Will Towards All" is what is taught in our culture.


...and I am certain the same holds true in a variety of cultures. :O)

Ray
12/05/2010 12:39:57 AM · #22
Brought tears to our eyes, over here on Cape Cod. All the rest of this r anting nonsense is misplaced. Can't we just enjoy the soaring spirit of citizens of good will reaching out to embrace strangers in song?

R.
12/05/2010 12:57:22 AM · #23
All I am saying, it starts smaller scale and grows uncontrollably if some of us (maybe like myself) don't speak out.

If we as an Americans don't stand up for things bother us, it would be too late before nothing left from our heritage.

Getting rid of Christmas trees, not allowing to hang American flags, getting rid of "God" from Pledge of Allegiance... Those things are real, and happening right now. Ask yourself, what's next?
12/05/2010 06:38:12 AM · #24
heartwarming - wonderful - 'tis the season of goodwill to all men!

(ranters please open another thread)
12/05/2010 08:15:05 AM · #25
I wonder how many people singing were part of the chorus and how many joined in.

I wouldn't have just listened -- I definitely would have been singing along. :D
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