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07/01/2004 01:26:04 PM · #1
I have to talk about this because I can't (under)stand it.

I entered the Extraordinary Contest and have 10 comments now.
Some outtakes of these comments:

-The extraordinary thing is that you (Removed). Really beautiful shot.
-love it 9
-Incredibly simply yet very artistic and graphic.
(even from ribbon winners)
Ok you get the picture,
but now I recieved a comment like this:
Not a very interesting shot, focus is off, (removed), doesn't say "extraordinary" without your title.

So I view this persons profile and see that all chalenges he/she entered he/she finished top 5 BOTTOM!

What's up with that?

Out of focus? The picture is sharp as a knife, I almost cut myself while submitting....

Edit: Typo

Message edited by author 2004-07-01 13:38:11.
07/01/2004 01:34:48 PM · #2
LOL, maybe somebody needs new glasses?
07/01/2004 01:38:48 PM · #3
I realy wanted to PM excatly that! (I din't)
07/01/2004 01:50:52 PM · #4
as someone recently said to me "some people are morons". I found that a very comforting thought.
07/01/2004 01:52:01 PM · #5
Originally posted by Philos31:

So I view this persons profile and see that all chalenges he/she entered he/she finished top 5 BOTTOM!


Don't worry about it. All comments should be taken with a grain of salt. Profile averages provide a nice gauge for how large that grain should be. ;-)

Personally, I'd rather get a negative critique from a photographer that I respect than a pat on the back from someone whose work needs work. Praise from one of the top photographers is like a mini-ribbon to me.

Message edited by author 2004-07-01 13:53:40.
07/01/2004 01:52:17 PM · #6
I am pretty new to DPC and I am really trying to improve. One thing I learned almost right away is to read the comment and look at the work of the commentor. There have been some great comments from photographers whose work I admire. These are of course very valuable. It is no coincidence that the good photographers leave insightful comments that actually help improve my photography.

Oh and by the way at this point I might be happy with the crappy comments seeing how after 160 votes I have two comments.!!!
07/01/2004 02:17:08 PM · #7
I am greatfull for all comments I get on all my submissions as long as they are constructive.
I like to be praised offcourse, and it makes you feel good, but the most greatfull I am about comments by my own "top" photographers, Positive or negative (well I must say positive or constructive)

But I just couldn't believe this one, my 1st thought was to write an angry PM, to look for another hobby, to buy some new glasses or to %$^%#^%%^#....

But I stayed calm, and now I shared my frustation with you all, makes me feel so mutch better :)
07/01/2004 03:06:14 PM · #8
I don't enter too many challenges and I don't profess to be an expert by any means. I entered my first challenge (Color)and received 21 comments. All but one was positive and encouraging...

"What a depressing shot. The horse disturbs me. Seems terribly skinny or just has signs of being over ridden. Therefore, the mood takes color away. I like the weathered look of the barn and overall run down. Once again, depressing."

I realize the comments should be helpful, whether positive or negative, in order to make improvements (and there is always room for improvement)but when negative comments are based more on personal likes/dislikes instead of photographic ability or talent they tend to "take the wind out of your sail". I think it is very important, as said in previous replies, to consider the source.
07/01/2004 03:59:48 PM · #9
I think the photographer's challenge placements should also be taken with a grain of salt. I am new here, and still learning what DPCer's look for in an image, as well as experimenting with techniques and my camera.
Just because someone hasn't placed highly doesn't mean they can't provide good insight into an image, especially if you plan to present your photos in a more public forum, where not everyone is a professional photographer. I usually avoid looking at people's profiles when I rate comments because I feel the comment should be judged on whether it helps me, not who gave it.
07/01/2004 04:00:51 PM · #10
Aha! This is sounding familiar. My extraordinary photo also got one totally negative comment to the effect it was not extraordinary and was too dark. In fact it was the first comment I did not rate as helpful. When I read your post I began to wonder if it was the same person. Here are his/her stats:

Challenges Entered: 2
Votes Cast: 531
Avg Vote Cast: 3.7815
Votes Received: 548
Avg Vote Received: 3.2938
Comments:
Made: 153
Helpful: 82
Received: 37
Forum Posts: 35
Profile Viewed: 328 times

I looked at his/her two entries and they were close to dead last in the two challenges he/she entered. Seems like a pattern here. I plan to just ignore his/her comments. Seems the prudent thing to do. ;) Ann

07/01/2004 04:04:46 PM · #11
Originally posted by ACPhotoDesign:



Avg Vote Cast: 3.7815


A 3.7815 vote cast? Sorry... that person is simply someone looking to hurt people's feelings.
07/01/2004 04:06:06 PM · #12
you cant get sensitive around here,
from my titles, i have been called, or its been implied that

i'm a racist [africa time].... waiting challenge
a pedophile [sp?] [little girls & their icecreams] ... choices
sadist [now what do i do?] .... conflict
etc.

ho hum, grin and bear it.

07/01/2004 04:09:29 PM · #13
I try to comment on all the photo's I view even if its bad and by no means am I an expert. If I have questions then I ask in hopes that the photographer will PM me and correct me or explain it to me or hopefully make me understand his/her shot better. It will not change my score I have given them but allows me other points of views when judging others with similar problems. I just wish people would leave there opinion even if it is bad or they don't know what their talking about to give me their likes and dislikes about my shot. afterall they are they judges and they don't gotta like my pic but it would be nice to know why.
07/01/2004 04:22:01 PM · #14
Well, since you are obviously bashing me, I'd like to have a chance to defend myself. I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, and in fact I try to make an effort to provide constructive criticism on as many photos as I can. If the rating systems is not going to be confidential, how do you expect people to feel comfortable commenting? I think you are both being far ruder than I could have ever been, and I would appreciate it if you would have raised your concerns via private mesaage, where I could address them properly.
Also, if I give a comment with constructive criticism, it doesn't mean I rated the image low, it means I saw things that I thought could improve the image. If you automatically equate comments with negativity, why do you want them?

I rate photos as follows, so please tell me if these are not the correct standards for the site, and I will be happy to change my voting:
1=Does not meet the challenge AND doesn't show measurable photographic skill (snapshot, can't see anything, no subject, etc.)
2=Does not meet the challenge BUT shows some photographic skill.
3=Does not meet the challenge OR shows very little skill in meeting the challenge
4=Meets the challenge, passable photo OR does not meet the challenge but good photo
5=Meets the challenge, OK photo OR does not meet the challenge but exceptional photo
6=Meets the challenge, good photo or unique idea
7=Meets the challenge, very good photo or good and unique
8=Meets the challenge fully, very good photo and unique
9=Meets the challenge fully, excellent and unique photo
10=Exceeds the challenge, exceptional photo and thought-out subject
07/01/2004 05:01:36 PM · #15
But your comment makes no sense at all.
If you say that it is out of focus, while it is sharp as a razor, what's up with that?

I didn't intend to bash you and I don't think I am rude. I didn't tell anyone what was your name until you stepped forward yourself.

Look at my 1st message, doesn't it say he/she? I tried very hard not to give away hints about who you are.

I just can't see how anyone give out a comment like that.
Other photographers that score higher then most of us here commented on the same photo. Some of them had critiques yes. But they where right. You were not.

So again I say, this was not Bashing you! But please don't bash photo's with noncense critiques for whatever reason.
I am not the only one that is complaining, just with the little info I gave people knew who you were, so I am not the only one.

After the challenge all comments are open for everyone to see, so everyone can see if you were right. We'll see.

Now you can go back to my picture and vote a 1 if you like.
07/01/2004 05:19:40 PM · #16
chin up! folks see stuff differently on their monitors & its easy to forget that. Despite this person ending in the bottom 5, he/she still has a right to an opinion.

As long as the majority of comments are on target, does that one really matter?


07/01/2004 05:20:08 PM · #17
Originally posted by airatic:

Well, since you are obviously bashing me, I'd like to have a chance to defend myself. I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, and in fact I try to make an effort to provide constructive criticism on as many photos as I can. If the rating systems is not going to be confidential, how do you expect people to feel comfortable commenting?

I also never said who you were nor even implied that you were male or female. I just shared statistics that could have belonged to anybody. So in fact my comment was confidential. I didn't notice until after I had made it that your comment was right before mine. Still I said nothing about your identity. And would have continued to say nothing without your comment quoted above. As to your comment on my picture, my feelings were not hurt but I did not see any suggestion for improvement. I can't quote it here as it would give away the identity of my picture but mostly it was just was a bit snide, short and negative. One part of it did make sense and I'll explain that later. But if you are really trying to provide useful input to photographers perhaps you might want to couch it in different words. When I provide feedback I usually comment first on what I like about the picture and then make suggestions for improvement. You might try that technique. Ann
07/01/2004 05:24:49 PM · #18
1. Please don't single out anyone for critism or start any witch hunts.

2. It doesn't matter how someone votes on the scale of 1-10 if he is consistant. It is the average score that determines your rank. Some people never give below a four, some people never give above a six. Same difference.
07/01/2004 05:25:46 PM · #19
im a newbie here to DPchallenge, and my first entry scored like this:

Votes: 65
Views: 79
Avg Vote: 4.4462
Comments: 2

is it normal to have so few comments as I thought people are encouraged to offer more if they give a score below 4?
As it is, ive had one positive but unhelpful comment, and one fairly negative but suggestive comment. This doesn't really help me much to improve my technique.
I've also entered the Colour purple challenge and hope that I manage to come up with a more original idea as there seemed to be far too many Bee photos for June free study than I would have liked hehe.

Any tips outside the voting process would be appreciated.. oh the original image can be seen here just so you can see what I did with it - i felt it was an improvement anyway :)

//www.kianervosa.com/junestudyorig.JPG

x
EDIT: stupid link wont work without caps on the JPG ;)

Message edited by author 2004-07-01 17:28:13.
07/01/2004 05:28:27 PM · #20
Ann was actually the one who decided to post my ratings for everyone, and I reread all my comments and found not a single one that wasn't either a bland positive or a constructive crituque, and only a few that were even harsh critiques.

Maybe my comment makes sense because when I look at that particular image, it does not appear that the focus is clear? Or that the color in question appeared overwhelming to me? Without going into detail that would reveal your picture, I can't really help you, but I think I know which image you mean, since you quoted parts of the comment, and I stand by what I said completely. I couldn't identify the item in question without your title, so maybe that's cultural, I had never actually seen one, so I had to really examine the image and title to figure it out.

I feel that if the image isn't clear to me, I have the right to say that, and you have the right to maintain that it's clear to you, and even to other people, but it doesn't make it any clearer to me. There wouldn't be a bell curve if everyone agreed on the same things.

And like I said, I don't rate based on who's involved, or my personal feelings. I don't give 1's to people for not liking my comments, or my photos. You didn't recieve a low score from me, so I don't know why you're complaining. Take my suggestions or leave them, I'm not going to change them just because you don't believe me, but I'm happy to discuss them in the appropriate forum- Private Messages.
07/01/2004 05:28:36 PM · #21
Originally posted by emorgan49:

1. Please don't single out anyone for critism or start any witch hunts.

2. It doesn't matter how someone votes on the scale of 1-10 if he is consistant. It is the average score that determines your rank. Some people never give below a four, some people never give above a six. Same difference.

I agree totally with number 2 and didn't mean to do number 1. I appologize and will not do anything to single out anybody again. Ann
07/01/2004 05:32:25 PM · #22
I'm not a Rembrandt, O'Keefe, or Adams, but I know what I see. If I have placed in the bottom 5% here or anywhere else, it doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about.

The comment wasn't from me, but this is just a general statement.

I also agree with emorgan49, and glad to see your response.

Karen
07/01/2004 05:40:21 PM · #23
Originally posted by ACPhotoDesign:

I appologize and will not do anything to single out anybody again. Ann


Ditto here, it's easy to feel defensive online, I'm sorry if anyone took my comments more negatively than I intended.
07/01/2004 05:42:43 PM · #24
C'mon people.

Just because someone hasn't won a ribbon or score as high as others in the challenges doesn't mean their vote/comment should just be thrown out.

I'm one of those middle of the road photographers that have never won a ribbon, but 80% of my 1300 comments were marked helpful. I use to make at least 100 comments a week. Commented on all entries in a challenge 2 times.

I stopped commenting because someone PM'd me with a semi-rude response about my camera and not winning a ribbon before. I have since started making comments on a different site.
07/01/2004 05:53:06 PM · #25
Could this have been sparked by a poor choice of words? The phrase "focus is off," would be taken by most photographers to mean that the image isn't sharp, but it could just as easily mean that the subject of your photo isn't obvious.

Faidoi- come back! One bad response from a pool of 16,000 photographers doesn't mean the rest of us feel the same way. Ribbon or no, you've got a great eye and a respectable portfolio of shots.

Message edited by author 2004-07-01 17:56:43.
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