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10/13/2010 09:26:54 PM · #51 |
has it ever happened that 95% or more of your votes are all the same?
Just curious. My score has only varied by .09 the entire challenges, lol. |
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10/13/2010 09:29:46 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
has it ever happened that 95% or more of your votes are all the same?
Just curious. My score has only varied by .09 the entire challenges, lol. |
sure, the more votes you get the less one vote affects your average. so you may not be noticing drastic changes in in the votes. |
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10/13/2010 09:32:14 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
has it ever happened that 95% or more of your votes are all the same?
Just curious. My score has only varied by .09 the entire challenges, lol. |
yup. I've had challenges (usually of the 5.5 type) that don't particularly change for the entire week. Actually my fill flash challenge has only varied by about .08
Message edited by author 2010-10-13 21:32:53.
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10/13/2010 10:23:57 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
has it ever happened that 95% or more of your votes are all the same?
Just curious. My score has only varied by .09 the entire challenges, lol. |
these past two challenges, my average votes received varied up and down by only that much during the second day of voting onwards. then it would sink down by a very wide margin during the last 12 hours of voting. |
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10/13/2010 11:09:43 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Cyberlandz:
Originally posted by bergiekat:
has it ever happened that 95% or more of your votes are all the same?
Just curious. My score has only varied by .09 the entire challenges, lol. |
these past two challenges, my average votes received varied up and down by only that much during the second day of voting onwards. then it would sink down by a very wide margin during the last 12 hours of voting. |
ni-i-i-ice...can hardly wait! It's gone down since the previous post, lol. |
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10/14/2010 02:51:39 AM · #56 |
There is some discussion in this thread of ‘trolls’ and it made me wonder what a troll really is. Someone who gives ‘good’ photographs a low score, for malicious or perverse reasons? Someone who gives your photograph a low score, for any reason at all?
The inevitable request for low voters to explain themselves with a comment is a two-edged sword, as pointed out by Jack Nicholson vis-Ã -vis the truth in A Few Good Men. It has been my experience, as a low voter myself, that an explanation is frequently met with defensiveness and hostility. In any case, a low vote can mean quite different things from different critics.
Consider  zeuszen (average vote cast 3.5) and me (average vote cast 4.4). Both lowballs.
zeuszen has a beautifully structured and balanced scoring rationale that he occasionally publishes when provoked by a particularly obtuse ‘trolls’ thread. It combines both aesthetic and technical values and leads with an elegant inevitability to low scores for many images that less discriminating observers than himself might embrace with a “Wow! 10!!!” The two-edged part is that someone who creates a “Wow! 10!!!” image in the first place will neither appreciate nor welcome an explanation of a low vote made under such an alien aesthetic.
My own system is far less elegant.
• If I don’t want to look at an image for longer than one second it gets a 3. In that case its technical proficiency does not even enter into my decision; if it’s not interesting at all, then it’s a 3.
• If I look for longer than one second, but less than about five seconds, it gets a 5 score.
• If I look for longer than five seconds it gets a 7 score and I will come back to look at it again later and probably comment. My personal top pick then gets upgraded to a 10.
In this Bridges challenge I’ve voted but haven’t commented yet, and so far have given six 7s, fifty-two 5s and eighty-four 3s. I’m happy to explain all the 3s with a comment: “Not interesting.” But that doesn’t help, does it?
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10/14/2010 02:55:09 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by ubique:
If I don’t want to look at an image for longer than one second it gets a 3... |
What if your dog ate your shoe that day, or you drink too much beer and still wanted to vote. Everything you see is blurry, gets 3.
I don't understand this mentality, but you explained yourself pretty good, it's "less elegant" style... aka "troll-er" |
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10/14/2010 03:10:48 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by ubique:
If I don’t want to look at an image for longer than one second it gets a 3... |
What if your dog ate your shoe that day, or you drink too much beer and still wanted to vote. Everything you see is blurry, gets 3.
I don't understand this mentality, but you explained yourself pretty good, it's "less elegant" style... aka "troll-er" |
Could one of my 3s be a 5 on another day? Possible. So's vice-versa.
Could a 3 be a 7 on another day? No.
As for blurry, that almost never gets a 3. Blurry is nearly always interesting. |
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10/14/2010 03:15:15 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by ubique:
...As for blurry, that almost never gets a 3. Blurry is nearly always interesting. |
I urge you to always vote after a few drinks then... |
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10/14/2010 09:43:33 AM · #60 |
| I'm surprised I didn't see any crosses (Bridge to eternal life). |
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10/14/2010 10:22:40 AM · #61 |
| lots of awesome shots here. mine has been hovering all day at 6.0 plus/minus 0.1. i really need to give the update button a rest :) |
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10/14/2010 11:14:25 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by lawrysimm:
Originally posted by mike_311:
some jerkoff just dropped a 2 on me.
and yes i meant to use that term. |
Yep, me too...
From my 6.1 after 50 votes I got a 4 and a 2 as my next two votes. The 4 I can accept, but no way it's worth a 2. |
A question for you - and please be kind, as I'm NEW at this! I see my average, and I know to update it to get the most recent, but how do you know the individual voting scores, such as "a 4 and a 2 as my next two votes"? Are you just doing the calculations as each vote comes in, or is there a place to see individual votes cast?
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10/14/2010 11:40:09 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by LindaJay:
A question for you - and please be kind, as I'm NEW at this! I see my average, and I know to update it to get the most recent, but how do you know the individual voting scores, such as "a 4 and a 2 as my next two votes"? Are you just doing the calculations as each vote comes in, or is there a place to see individual votes cast? |
Effectively yes, we calculate after each vote... that's the lure/addiction to the update button for you. I see you are a full member so you will see the update button on the left hand side of the screen when you have an image in voting. You will also need a decent spreadsheet for tracking the scores to take the pain out of the math.
I use the one provided by Hawkeye Lonewolf, known now as  klkitchens. The link is on his profile page. Instructions are held within the spreadsheet. There are other options though.. just search the forums for "vote tracker spreadsheet" and you should come back with a few options. That's all I did. |
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10/14/2010 12:02:15 PM · #64 |
| the math is very easy you just multiply your new score times the number of votes, you will get a whole number or almost a whole number, next subtract you old score times the numer of votes. take the second number and subtract it from the first. viola. it only works if you can check after each vote. otherwise you will get a total of all the votes in between. |
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10/14/2010 01:14:29 PM · #65 |
Had a couple of strange events happen today, mostly people amending their scores...
Votes: 85
Avg Vote: 6.2353
Votes: 85
Avg Vote: 6.1765
That works out as a drop of 5 points.. so either someone had a real change of heart, of 5 people have shuffled me down a point in the last hour or so. |
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10/14/2010 01:19:28 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by LindaJay:
A question for you - and please be kind, as I'm NEW at this! I see my average, and I know to update it to get the most recent, but how do you know the individual voting scores, such as "a 4 and a 2 as my next two votes"? Are you just doing the calculations as each vote comes in, or is there a place to see individual votes cast? |
Instead of pressing "update" button every minute and doing all the calculations, you could download a program that does it for you.
Here's the thread on dpChallengeMonitor program: //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1018705
And here's the website from where you can download the program: //sites.google.com/site/dpchallengemonitor/home
The program gives me an easy to read graph that tells me what Vote.1 through latest vote is, and also shows me the overall vote distribution, for each of my entries currently in voting. Nifty.
Message edited by author 2010-10-14 13:20:08. |
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10/14/2010 06:09:11 PM · #67 |
100 vote check in.....
Votes: 100
Views: 157
Avg Vote: 6.2400
Comments: 3 |
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10/14/2010 11:23:25 PM · #68 |
This is my first submission - my goal was to be above the 50% mark. From reading through this thread I think that i have a good shot at that! I am a little disappointed at the comments though - nothing bad, just not much of anything. I am just getting started in photography - never had a class or anything and was looking forward to getting some comments / critiques to help me get better. Any ideas on where to go to get this?
Thanks!
Votes: 95
Views: 156
Avg Vote: 5.8632
Comments: 2 |
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10/14/2010 11:49:25 PM · #69 |
| lawrysimm, Chandi and mike_311 - thanks so much for your answers. Sounds like fun, keeping track like that. However, since I can only check in now and then during the work day, I'll probably have to settle for the updated average score, rather than catching individual votes. By the way, I'm blown away by some of the wonderful photography that shows up here. I hope, hope, hope I can learn and grow with y'all in time. |
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10/15/2010 06:33:27 AM · #70 |
100 votes checked in
Bridges III
Votes: 100
Views: 188
Avg Vote: 6.0900
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/15/10 06:31 am |
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10/15/2010 06:42:53 AM · #71 |
still flying high, actually made it through the night over 7.
Votes: 104
Views: 203
Avg Vote: 7.0481
Comments: 3
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/15/10 06:39 am
i guess paying the toll works... get it? troll bridge... nevermind.
Message edited by author 2010-10-15 06:43:37. |
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10/15/2010 07:18:04 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
still flying high, actually made it through the night over 7.
Votes: 104
Views: 203
Avg Vote: 7.0481
Comments: 3
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/15/10 06:39 am
i guess paying the toll works... get it? troll bridge... nevermind. |
awesome!! Isn't it odd when a vote of 7 brings you down?
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10/15/2010 07:19:18 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by hopefulcrafty2:
This is my first submission - my goal was to be above the 50% mark. From reading through this thread I think that i have a good shot at that! I am a little disappointed at the comments though - nothing bad, just not much of anything. I am just getting started in photography - never had a class or anything and was looking forward to getting some comments / critiques to help me get better. Any ideas on where to go to get this?
Thanks!
Votes: 95
Views: 156
Avg Vote: 5.8632
Comments: 2 |
One thing you can do is to post the picture in a thread requesting feedback after the challenge is over. Many people are happy to give feedback when requested.
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10/15/2010 07:19:28 AM · #74 |
| i didn't look at it that way! |
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10/15/2010 03:16:24 PM · #75 |
Votes: 110
Views: 210
Avg Vote: 6.6727
Comments: 6
Favorites: 0
couldn't be more pleased... |
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