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10/01/2010 10:51:37 PM · #76 |
Votes: 39
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Avg Vote: 5.4872
Comments: 2
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Nice comments...
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10/01/2010 11:23:05 PM · #77 |
Well, at least I have Ryan's company here in the mid 5's now. Opinion seems split on mine, but then I expected a lot of folks might not like this one. Lots liking it as well, so it cancels out. If I was only after a high score, I would enter some wineglasses.
Votes: 44
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Avg Vote: 5.5455
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10/01/2010 11:32:45 PM · #78 |
Currently my lowest score all time.
Votes: 40
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Avg Vote: 4.8500
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10/02/2010 12:30:56 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
No, some people state that they assess free studies more harshly... it's the same judging the images against the other images in the challenge problem this site has, instead of voting for the image itself. :) |
I'm not sure I understand your statement. I judge Free Studies more harshly than a weekly challenge......to me that's an obvious choice.....you have all month to submit the best image possible without the constriction of a theme.
I don't vote any image against another in any challenge for any reason. There's no correlation between the two, IMNSHO. |
So theoretically the exact same photo (not that it would be allowed here), but the same photo of say a waterdrop you might score an 8 in a "water" category, but a 5 in a Free Study? Seems to me if the photo is an 8, it's an 8, period (or a 5 if a 5). It fit both categories: the first, because it was water, the second because a free study is anything goes. |
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10/02/2010 12:36:30 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:
Originally posted by denbote:
Votes: 33
Views: 79
Avg Vote: 6.1212
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not as well as I was hoping for.... |
Don't you know it's against the law to make even remotely negative comments towards a 6+ score when there are starving photographers around the world with much lower scores in the 5 and sub 5 range? :P |
ooops.... i ask for forgiveness :D |
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10/02/2010 01:28:28 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
No, some people state that they assess free studies more harshly... it's the same judging the images against the other images in the challenge problem this site has, instead of voting for the image itself. :) |
I'm not sure I understand your statement. I judge Free Studies more harshly than a weekly challenge......to me that's an obvious choice.....you have all month to submit the best image possible without the constriction of a theme.
I don't vote any image against another in any challenge for any reason. There's no correlation between the two, IMNSHO. |
So theoretically the exact same photo (not that it would be allowed here), but the same photo of say a waterdrop you might score an 8 in a "water" category, but a 5 in a Free Study? Seems to me if the photo is an 8, it's an 8, period (or a 5 if a 5). It fit both categories: the first, because it was water, the second because a free study is anything goes. |
You are 100 percent correct, and I fully agree with your views on the way people vote. I've said the same things in the past as well. The fact is if voters have a good "system" in their minds about how to critique and view ANY given image at ANY given time and place their expectations on a scale of 1 to 10 then voting in any challenge will translate to consistent results. Voting on any sort of sliding scale is ridiculous and I consider it tactical voting. Say for instance DPC wanted to have a monthly "Grand Winner" challenge where hypothetically all the photos that were given a score of 7 (for arguments sake) by the voters were thrown into the challenge pool. Well obviously there would be photos that really can't compete with the others in quality etc. because way to many people vote on a curve instead of what the individual photo should get. So like you said....a 7 in a Free Study might actually have been a 9 in a normal challenge...who knows. People will always have their own systems for voting which is normal and fine, but if you find yourself switching how you vote with each challenge to fit your own needs your voting wrong. If someone shows you a photo and asks you to rank it and you give it an 8, and that person comes back with the same photo a month later (assuming you don't remember the photo and what you scored it..play along here) and you rank it a 3...something is wrong with your voting system. Obviously people grow and so will their taste in things. Someone who hates Fine Art photography today might not be able to live without it some point down the line....as an example. So you might love a photo late one night voting, and if you go back through the challenge later in the week before rollover and decide you underscored it or over scored it...that's not uncommon. If you have to adjust your vote by more than 1 or 2 votes either way then again, I personally think something is wrong with your personal voting system.
Obviously there will be plenty of people who don't see it that way. I personally think the only way to vote properly is to NOT compare one single photo to another and vote on a scale because that photo that deserved a 7 now gets a 5....or visa versa. A seven is a seven...always. What I consider a 7 might only be a 5 for others and that again is normal and perfectly acceptable. It's what makes us different. I do feel that once a person knows what their system is they should go by it for each photo...on it's own merits regardless of the challenge.
If you have a 5 star restaurant in a city that serves the best food in the world you can't turn around a give a restaurant in another city that serves crappy food a 5 star rating just because it's the best food in that town even though it sucks. That's a curve system. It's wrong for a lot of things in life like a restaurant, and it's wrong when voting here. Vote on that one photo and not based on the other photos in the challenge, and not based on whether it's a free study, member challenge or open challenge. An apple is an apple and an orange is an orange no matter what bowl you put them in. |
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10/02/2010 01:48:39 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:
If you have a 5 star restaurant in a city that serves the best food in the world you can't turn around a give a restaurant in another city that serves crappy food a 5 star rating just because it's the best food in that town even though it sucks. That's a curve system. It's wrong for a lot of things in life like a restaurant, and it's wrong when voting here. Vote on that one photo and not based on the other photos in the challenge, and not based on whether it's a free study, member challenge or open challenge. An apple is an apple and an orange is an orange no matter what bowl you put them in. |
An EXCELLENT analogy! One ranking voters should read and take to heart.
If that same restaurant is a 2, but still the best in that city, a list of all restaurants in that city would still have the 2-star at the top of the heap, but then comparison between that city and another city with 5-star restaurants is entirely possible.
Well done! |
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10/02/2010 02:59:38 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:
If you have a 5 star restaurant in a city that serves the best food in the world you can't turn around a give a restaurant in another city that serves crappy food a 5 star rating just because it's the best food in that town even though it sucks. That's a curve system. It's wrong for a lot of things in life like a restaurant, and it's wrong when voting here. Vote on that one photo and not based on the other photos in the challenge, and not based on whether it's a free study, member challenge or open challenge. An apple is an apple and an orange is an orange no matter what bowl you put them in. |
If we're not voting on a photo compared to other photos in the challenge... what's the point of a friggin' challenge then? To get kudos, warm hugs, kisses, and pats on the back? C'mon - this is a competition where photos get compared to one another. The score is COMPLETELY arbitrary.
Maybe to avoid all this QQing - voters should just assume that the photographer tried his or her best and give a 10 to every photo.
Would that make everyone happy?
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10/02/2010 04:18:05 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by northebound:
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:
If you have a 5 star restaurant in a city that serves the best food in the world you can't turn around a give a restaurant in another city that serves crappy food a 5 star rating just because it's the best food in that town even though it sucks. That's a curve system. It's wrong for a lot of things in life like a restaurant, and it's wrong when voting here. Vote on that one photo and not based on the other photos in the challenge, and not based on whether it's a free study, member challenge or open challenge. An apple is an apple and an orange is an orange no matter what bowl you put them in. |
If we're not voting on a photo compared to other photos in the challenge... what's the point of a friggin' challenge then? To get kudos, warm hugs, kisses, and pats on the back? C'mon - this is a competition where photos get compared to one another. The score is COMPLETELY arbitrary.
Maybe to avoid all this QQing - voters should just assume that the photographer tried his or her best and give a 10 to every photo.
Would that make everyone happy? |
You have 10 figure skaters in the Olympics. They all go out and compete against the other skaters one at a time, and at the end of each individual performance the groups of judges each give a score and it's compiled into their final average score. The next skater comes out and the process is repeated until all skaters have performed and have been judged. The resulting scores are listed highest to lowest and you have your winners...and losers. The judges don't have to watch all the skaters perform and finish before they decide the scores for each and rank them on comparison. The judges are confident in their abilities and know what to look for. It's not a crap shoot where they pick the best or their favorite and then give the rest lower scores to fill out the result card. Yet...amazingly...it's STILL a competition, and no one felt they had to give them ALL perfect scores just for trying hard. The same holds true for television shows such as Dancing with the Stars. Do all the dancers come out and do their thing before the judges give their scores? No, they don't. Everyone is judged on their own merits yet one couple still scores the highest and one couple goes home. Yet again...still a competition.
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10/02/2010 04:48:30 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
So theoretically the exact same photo (not that it would be allowed here), but the same photo of say a waterdrop you might score an 8 in a "water" category, but a 5 in a Free Study? Seems to me if the photo is an 8, it's an 8, period (or a 5 if a 5). It fit both categories: the first, because it was water, the second because a free study is anything goes. |
That doesn't make sense to me. The challenges place a set of constraints upon an entry, it sets parameters, limits choices - with the Free Study, people are offering work within a constraint-free context - of course this comes a viewer expectation that is different. The whole - 'You could photograph anything but you choose to photograph that' becomes extremely important.
On the basis of that, when I score and comment, I do so with reference to the choices / decisions the photographer took to craft the image - that has to be very different for themed and open challenges because of the very different parameters set by the challenge.
And by way of keeping on-thread:
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Message edited by author 2010-10-02 05:01:42. |
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10/02/2010 06:50:54 AM · #86 |
| Ohhh for crap sake i just realized i forgot to put my image in! i didnt realize it was the 2nd! |
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10/02/2010 10:48:43 PM · #87 |
Votes: 50
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Avg Vote: 4.9400
So I'm slowly climbing, maybe I can pull off a 5 in the end..
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10/03/2010 10:58:10 AM · #88 |
| Is it just me or is voting extremely slow on this challenge? |
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10/03/2010 11:04:00 AM · #89 |
Yes, extremely slow. I finally creeped over a 5. I'm hoping it goes up a bit more than this though...
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10/03/2010 11:09:37 AM · #90 |
I think the happy people vote on Sunday's, scores been creeping up this morning.
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10/03/2010 12:05:21 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yes, extremely slow. I finally creeped over a 5. I'm hoping it goes up a bit more than this though...
Votes: 56
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Oh yeah! In your FACE! I'm totally killing you... ;)
Free Study 2010-09
Votes: 57
Views: 133
Avg Vote: 5.1228
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10/03/2010 01:03:17 PM · #92 |
| ROFL! Yes, you are! I really expected no less than mid 5's. Voting seems so out of whack lately. |
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10/03/2010 01:16:01 PM · #93 |
| Not sure what is happening with mine - almost touching a 7.x and only 2 comments??!?! |
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10/03/2010 01:39:22 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by FrankRobinson:
Is it just me or is voting extremely slow on this challenge? |
People are either watching the Ryder Cup or they're out shooting macros |
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10/03/2010 02:45:41 PM · #95 |
I've got a macro lens, but never get good macro shots.
I'm thinking there is a black art there.
BTW my image finally got to the 5's.. for Freestudy. Sunday has been very good day for me.
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10/03/2010 03:02:04 PM · #96 |
| 5.85 not too shabby for a FS! |
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10/03/2010 03:18:34 PM · #97 |
I'm one clever photographer. I only have the DNG file of my photo entered for the Free Study. Now a very wise person has thought that my average photo is in need of proof. I have in the interem submitted my DNG file. Anybody out there with some tips on how to recover my CR2 file. I have tried Rescue pro but was only able to recover the previously deleted pics. Soem help would really be appreciated. My score is sitting pretty on 6 and would hate for it to be DQ when there was something else I could have done to save face.
Thanks in advance |
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10/03/2010 07:45:05 PM · #98 |
Voting on FS challenges is so much fun. Every month you get some awesome work to see. I did a little commenting on some of the ones I really liked, (not done yet...Lol) Something kind of hit me. I need to comment more. I vote a ton, hell it's a challenge. But to help the learning process you need not only visualize a thought process but by writing it down seems to take a deeper meaning. Or it's just the pain meds kicking in...LOL. The key word in my comments on the higher scores seem to be "lighting" if I didn't mention it in my comment I thought it. We all know it's important aspect of any great image, but for some reason it really sunk into me on this challenge. Hats off to you all for another Great month of shooting.
My shot is doing well for me.
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Avg Vote: 6.1471
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10/03/2010 08:41:42 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
Voting on FS challenges is so much fun. Every month you get some awesome work to see. I did a little commenting on some of the ones I really liked, (not done yet...Lol) Something kind of hit me. I need to comment more. I vote a ton, hell it's a challenge. But to help the learning process you need not only visualize a thought process but by writing it down seems to take a deeper meaning. Or it's just the pain meds kicking in...LOL. The key word in my comments on the higher scores seem to be "lighting" if I didn't mention it in my comment I thought it. We all know it's important aspect of any great image, but for some reason it really sunk into me on this challenge. Hats off to you all for another Great month of shooting.
My shot is doing well for me.
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Avg Vote: 6.1471
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Great job!!! I agree with you. Sometimes I'll be voting and I'll wonder why the heck I don't take 5 more seconds to type a comment... whether I like it or not. In fact, what I really try to do (when I think of it) is vote on the ones that I don't feel strongly about either way. Those are the ones that really need the comments. The person with a 5.5 entry (me, a lot of the time) really would love to know why it's not a 6 shot. Mine's doing really good... I'm excited. If it says in the general area (6.3) I'll have a new profile entry. :o) |
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10/03/2010 09:03:52 PM · #100 |
Freakish score and votes from me:
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Wonder what that means. |
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