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09/07/2010 10:51:02 AM · #1
October would be a great month for the next Master's Free Study! Fall/Spring for everybody. The last one was such a great batch of pictures to go over.
09/07/2010 10:55:01 AM · #2
It's been a while!
09/07/2010 11:04:29 AM · #3
Yeah, make it one where 30 ribbons are required

;-P

09/07/2010 12:00:14 PM · #4
Well at least double figures surely . .

Make it a 'Grand Masters' Challenge :- )

Of course if they did that then everyone in the category would have to enter to make it worhtwhile . .
09/07/2010 12:09:58 PM · #5
This is all grand and glorious - but I would love to see a challenge for only brown ribbon winners or those to whom haven't won a ribbon yet. : )
09/07/2010 12:10:45 PM · #6
Originally posted by love:

This is all grand and glorious - but I would love to see a challenge for only brown ribbon winners or those to whom haven't won a ribbon yet. : )


I'd love to see this as well.


09/07/2010 12:26:31 PM · #7
Originally posted by love:

This is all grand and glorious - but I would love to see a challenge for only brown ribbon winners or those to whom haven't won a ribbon yet. : )


THAT is a wonderful idea!
09/07/2010 12:38:27 PM · #8
Originally posted by love:

This is all grand and glorious - but I would love to see a challenge for only brown ribbon winners or those to whom haven't won a ribbon yet. : )


yaay! the challenge would be to score a brown ribbon among all the brown ribboners!
09/07/2010 12:43:10 PM · #9
Hmmm... probably too much work for Langdon

but...

Open challenge:

Challenge #1 -- open to anyone without a ribbon, any subject, basic editing
Challenge #2 -- open to anyone with a ribbon, any subject, basic editing

You can't choose which one to enter, you have to enter the appropriate one.
09/07/2010 01:04:08 PM · #10
Originally posted by vawendy:

Hmmm... probably too much work for Langdon

but...

Open challenge:

Challenge #1 -- open to anyone without a ribbon, any subject, basic editing
Challenge #2 -- open to anyone with a ribbon, any subject, basic editing

You can't choose which one to enter, you have to enter the appropriate one.


Great idea! Its pretty much win win
The ribbon winner of the Masters challenge is doubly honored for winning over fierce competition
The ribbon winner of the other challenge, finally wins a ribbon!
09/07/2010 01:09:09 PM · #11
Originally posted by Fiora:

The ribbon winner of the other challenge, finally wins a ribbon!

This has been considered before -- that ribbon is devalued compared to all the other ribbons because the competition wasn't open to everyone, specifically those who might well have been in contention. It's also why we don't run challenges just for our younger members -- everybody competing equally and anonymously seems to me to be a core principle of the site which we should try to avoid eroding.
09/07/2010 01:14:28 PM · #12
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Fiora:

The ribbon winner of the other challenge, finally wins a ribbon!

This has been considered before -- that ribbon is devalued compared to all the other ribbons because the competition wasn't open to everyone, specifically those who might well have been in contention. It's also why we don't run challenges just for our younger members -- everybody competing equally and anonymously seems to me to be a core principle of the site which we should try to avoid eroding.


I suppose some could think that it is devalued.
Personally, I would just be thrilled to finally have won something, and I think many others would feel the same.
09/07/2010 01:25:56 PM · #13
Originally posted by Fiora:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Fiora:

The ribbon winner of the other challenge, finally wins a ribbon!

This has been considered before -- that ribbon is devalued compared to all the other ribbons because the competition wasn't open to everyone, specifically those who might well have been in contention. It's also why we don't run challenges just for our younger members -- everybody competing equally and anonymously seems to me to be a core principle of the site which we should try to avoid eroding.


I suppose some could think that it is devalued.
Personally, I would just be thrilled to finally have won something, and I think many others would feel the same.


Buuuut... Think about this from the other side of the fence... If you had won a ribbon or two already and then someone else was awarded an "easier" ribbon, wouldn't you feel like it was somehow a bit unfair?

Both sides are quite easy to understand, but I suspect that we'll never see this challenge...
09/07/2010 01:52:40 PM · #14
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by love:

This is all grand and glorious - but I would love to see a challenge for only brown ribbon winners or those to whom haven't won a ribbon yet. : )


I'd love to see this as well.


Would you have to count past lifes as well?
09/07/2010 02:03:42 PM · #15
Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by Fiora:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Fiora:

The ribbon winner of the other challenge, finally wins a ribbon!

This has been considered before -- that ribbon is devalued compared to all the other ribbons because the competition wasn't open to everyone, specifically those who might well have been in contention. It's also why we don't run challenges just for our younger members -- everybody competing equally and anonymously seems to me to be a core principle of the site which we should try to avoid eroding.


I suppose some could think that it is devalued.
Personally, I would just be thrilled to finally have won something, and I think many others would feel the same.


Buuuut... Think about this from the other side of the fence... If you had won a ribbon or two already and then someone else was awarded an "easier" ribbon, wouldn't you feel like it was somehow a bit unfair?

Both sides are quite easy to understand, but I suspect that we'll never see this challenge...


I don't think it's devalued -- it's a ribbon for a certain challenge. I don't consider a product challenge more or less than a wildlife challenge (well, maybe I do :)

It's a ribbon one for a specific set of rules. That's it.
09/07/2010 02:12:15 PM · #16
Originally posted by vawendy:



I don't think it's devalued -- it's a ribbon for a certain challenge. ...


The problem is that it's a ribbon for a certain challenge for certain people, and the issue at hand is that the "good" players are excluded from competing.. But hell, look at my profile, you know I'd be all over that "devalued" ribbon too... I can just easily understand why some would not feel this is fair..
09/07/2010 02:16:59 PM · #17
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Message edited by author 2010-09-07 14:20:50.
09/07/2010 02:18:42 PM · #18
Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by vawendy:



I don't think it's devalued -- it's a ribbon for a certain challenge. ...


The problem is that it's a ribbon for a certain challenge for certain people, and the issue at hand is that the "good" players are excluded from competing.. But hell, look at my profile, you know I'd be all over that "devalued" ribbon too... I can just easily understand why some would not feel this is fair..

Instead of Blue Red & Yellow Ribbons, they could be awarded a Blue Unicorn, Red Rainbow, and Yellow Snowflake; each with an asterisk leading to a footnote at the bottom of the page.
09/07/2010 02:29:35 PM · #19
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

... with an asterisk leading to a footnote at the bottom of the page.

I was waiting for someone to propose the "Roger Maris" solution ... ;-)
09/07/2010 02:31:31 PM · #20
Back to the point at hand:

Master's free study:

I'd love to see one. Never seen one before -- would be cool!
09/07/2010 02:38:16 PM · #21
Instead of ribbons, consider making it open to anyone with a lifetime DPC average above some threshold (e.g. 6.0) -- FWIW the Top-50 cutoff is currently at 6.27 ...
09/07/2010 02:48:53 PM · #22
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Instead of ribbons, consider making it open to anyone with a lifetime DPC average above some threshold (e.g. 6.0) -- FWIW the Top-50 cutoff is currently at 6.27 ...

But that punishes those who enjoy entering the occasional crappy and/or controversial shot for kicks.
09/07/2010 02:50:09 PM · #23
Originally posted by h2:

Yeah, make it one where 30 ribbons are required

;-P

I like that, it would narrow the field!
09/07/2010 02:50:30 PM · #24
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Instead of ribbons, consider making it open to anyone with a lifetime DPC average above some threshold (e.g. 6.0) -- FWIW the Top-50 cutoff is currently at 6.27 ...


Average doesn't mean quite as much, however. Many of those people only enter challenges in which they'll score well. Others enter almost everything, and have a lower average because of it.

7 out of the top 20 ribbon winners this year have averages lower than 6.0.

It sounds like the original idea worked just fine. Let's make it simple for Langdon -- why change something that works?

Message edited by author 2010-09-07 14:56:13.
09/07/2010 03:04:24 PM · #25
Lifetime scoring average isn't a very good criterion for a DPC Master. It kind of discriminates against practically everyone who plays the game week-in-and-week-out without respite, in favor of those who pick and choose their challenges with regards to how well they can score.

R.
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