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08/28/2010 09:30:22 PM · #101
No
08/28/2010 10:27:01 PM · #102
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08/29/2010 11:38:25 AM · #103
what about a copycat award
only one ,for the most blatant
i personally would like to have at least one for my profile
i can see andy moving restlessly in his grave
08/29/2010 12:15:52 PM · #104
well, that was the idea behind the statue of limitations award.
08/29/2010 12:34:26 PM · #105
Originally posted by Sevlow:

Maybe the WHOLE voting system needs a revamp - instead of the current 1>10 we could break it down further:-

Originality 1>5

Composition 1>5

Technique 1>5


Lets have radio buttons marked 1 to 5, click on them - job done!

Of course that means 3 clicks instead of 1 so voting would take longer !

Easier said than done but it is an idea that I think warrants consideration.


That'd be a good idea actually :-)
08/29/2010 12:43:25 PM · #106
Originally posted by hojop25:

Originally posted by Sevlow:

Maybe the WHOLE voting system needs a revamp - instead of the current 1>10 we could break it down further:-

Originality 1>5

Composition 1>5

Technique 1>5


Lets have radio buttons marked 1 to 5, click on them - job done!

Of course that means 3 clicks instead of 1 so voting would take longer !

Easier said than done but it is an idea that I think warrants consideration.


That'd be a good idea actually :-)

It (or something similar) has been "considered" often over the history of the site. Besides the problems involved with having to cast more votes, there's also the issue of differemt voters having different priorities* over which photographic components are important. Right now, we each integrate all of these factors and come up with a composite score -- it really won't help that much if we just have a computer averaging those numbers for us.

*There are many threads where people discuss their voting criteria, and how they weight the various esthetic and technical factors.
08/29/2010 12:45:40 PM · #107
hear hear

Message edited by author 2010-08-29 12:46:18.
08/29/2010 12:48:31 PM · #108
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by hojop25:

Originally posted by Sevlow:

Maybe the WHOLE voting system needs a revamp - instead of the current 1>10 we could break it down further:-

Originality 1>5

Composition 1>5

Technique 1>5


Lets have radio buttons marked 1 to 5, click on them - job done!

Of course that means 3 clicks instead of 1 so voting would take longer !

Easier said than done but it is an idea that I think warrants consideration.


That'd be a good idea actually :-)

It (or something similar) has been "considered" often over the history of the site. Besides the problems involved with having to cast more votes, there's also the issue of differemt voters having different priorities* over which photographic components are important. Right now, we each integrate all of these factors and come up with a composite score -- it really won't help that much if we just have a computer averaging those numbers for us.

*There are many threads where people discuss their voting criteria, and how they weight the various esthetic and technical factors.


The problem is, that doesn't allow for impact. There are definitely photographs that have had a great technique, very original, and with great composition that I have scored lower than another photo that wasn't as original, wasn't as technically competent, or wasn't composed as well -- because that flawed photo made a much stronger impact on me. That's what it all comes down to -- how does the photo resonate with you? Sometimes it really doesn't matter how good the photo is, if it connects with you and makes you feel something very strongly.
08/29/2010 12:58:44 PM · #109
I'm trying to understand where the line is.

People claim, for example, that glasses shots are overdone. But other than the basic components, I'd argue each of my glasses shots is quite different from the others.

I mean, feel free to not like any of them, and I'll be the first to admit there's very little emotional impact in any of them. But don't tell me they're the same shot over and over.

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Message edited by author 2010-08-29 13:00:35.
08/29/2010 12:59:50 PM · #110
vincent van gogh
lousy in technique
makes your eyesand heart goes boompitiboom
08/29/2010 01:06:39 PM · #111
Originally posted by vawendy:



The problem is, that doesn't allow for impact. There are definitely photographs that have had a great technique, very original, and with great composition that I have scored lower than another photo that wasn't as original, wasn't as technically competent, or wasn't composed as well -- because that flawed photo made a much stronger impact on me. That's what it all comes down to -- how does the photo resonate with you? Sometimes it really doesn't matter how good the photo is, if it connects with you and makes you feel something very strongly.


Well, this is EXACTLY the problem. CAN it be a "good photo" if it doesn't connect? Can it be technically INcompetent if it does connect? Each of these two examples REQUIRES us to reexamine our assumptions about what is a "good" photo and what we mean by technical competence. This is where the real fun begins. For those who are paying attention.
08/29/2010 01:07:59 PM · #112
Originally posted by levyj413:

I mean, feel free to not like any of them, and I'll be the first to admit there's very little emotional impact in any of them. But don't tell me they're the same shot over and over.

If you've decided that if you never see another wine glass photograph, it will be too soon, then it is the same shot -- over and over.
08/29/2010 01:15:56 PM · #113
and over
08/29/2010 01:19:20 PM · #114
and over
gets rather boring
right?
same with waterdrops,etc

Message edited by author 2010-08-29 13:56:42.
08/29/2010 01:24:58 PM · #115
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by levyj413:

I mean, feel free to not like any of them, and I'll be the first to admit there's very little emotional impact in any of them. But don't tell me they're the same shot over and over.

If you've decided that if you never see another wine glass photograph, it will be too soon, then it is the same shot -- over and over.


Can you articulate how using the same basic component, but with different colors, layout, exposure, and shapes is the same photo?

Is it just wine glasses? How about people? I mean, we've all seen shots of people looking meaningfully at the camera, or smiling, or grimacing. A person in a photo is sooooo overdone if you ignore everything but the basic subject.

Brian, using your definition, I've seen earlier examples of all 5 of your top-scoring photos. Why did you take them? I should say that text is terrible at conveying emotion. I ask that not in anger or frustration, but truly as a way of exploring. Would you not shoot those today? Has your thinking changed over time?

Message edited by author 2010-08-29 13:30:16.
08/29/2010 01:25:37 PM · #116
...can't believe this discussion is still going on.
08/29/2010 01:46:24 PM · #117
believe it my man
08/29/2010 01:59:46 PM · #118
"Is it just wine glasses? How about people? I mean, we've all seen shots of people looking meaningfully at the camera, or smiling, or grimacing. A person in a photo is sooooo overdone if you ignore everything but the basic subject." - ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' levyj413

In fact there are many person photos that ARE overdone. My particular favourites are the ones of expertly made up women with titles like Innocence, or Saucy .... And usually it is the technique as well as the makeup and stage direction that is banal, and which in fact obscures what might be more interesting in the "basic subject."

Come to think of it, the wine glass pictures do a similar disservice to wine and wine glasses....
08/29/2010 02:06:06 PM · #119
Originally posted by tnun:

"Is it just wine glasses? How about people? I mean, we've all seen shots of people looking meaningfully at the camera, or smiling, or grimacing. A person in a photo is sooooo overdone if you ignore everything but the basic subject." - ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' levyj413

In fact there are many person photos that ARE overdone. My particular favourites are the ones of expertly made up women with titles like Innocence, or Saucy .... And usually it is the technique as well as the makeup and stage direction that is banal, and which in fact obscures what might be more interesting in the "basic subject."

Come to think of it, the wine glass pictures do a similar disservice to wine and wine gla sses....

MIND YOU
LOVE TO TAKE YOU OUT FOR A GLAS OF WINE SOMETIME
08/29/2010 02:12:26 PM · #120
Originally posted by levyj413:


Can you articulate how using the same basic component, but with different colors, layout, exposure, and shapes is the same photo?


If the viewer shows up with a bias that a certain subject is a cliche, then it won't matter much how it's presented.

Originally posted by levyj413:


Is it just wine glasses? How about people? I mean, we've all seen shots of people looking meaningfully at the camera, or smiling, or grimacing. A person in a photo is sooooo overdone if you ignore everything but the basic subject.


If I were a wine glass, I'm sure I'd love to look at wine glass pictures all day. People is a pretty broad class, but there are certain types of portrait presentations that I think are overdone.

Originally posted by levyj413:


Brian, using your definition, I've seen earlier examples of all 5 of your top-scoring photos. Why did you take them? I should say that text is terrible at conveying emotion. I ask that not in anger or frustration, but truly as a way of exploring. Would you not shoot those today? Has your thinking changed over time?


I get your drift. Except for the tree (ironically enough), I'd be happy to see the other four disappear. So to answer your last questions, I wouldn't and it has. That's probably why my front page hasn't changed in over two years (!). Maybe I should find some wine glasses to shoot just to see something different there...
08/29/2010 02:12:52 PM · #121
Originally posted by cutout:

MIND YOU
LOVE TO TAKE YOU OUT FOR A GLAS OF WINE SOMETIME


Stand in line...
08/29/2010 02:15:31 PM · #122
Originally posted by tnun:

"Is it just wine glasses? How about people? I mean, we've all seen shots of people looking meaningfully at the camera, or smiling, or grimacing. A person in a photo is sooooo overdone if you ignore everything but the basic subject." - ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' levyj413

In fact there are many person photos that ARE overdone. My particular favourites are the ones of expertly made up women with titles like Innocence, or Saucy .... And usually it is the technique as well as the makeup and stage direction that is banal, and which in fact obscures what might be more interesting in the "basic subject."

Come to think of it, the wine glass pictures do a similar disservice to wine and wine glasses....


Interesting points. Comes back to my often-stated view that you have to shoot for yourself first of all. DPC voters have seen many of these shots repeatedly, and some ding others for doing them. Others say that if it's a good shot, it's a good shot. And non-photographers often think shots that do poorly on DPC are spectacular. So there's no pleasing everyone.
08/29/2010 03:39:43 PM · #123
Originally posted by scarbrd:

3. Do you have the time to devote to this?

Being the Morality Police is a full time job. I would expect that if you call any one image out you need to call out each and every image that you consider a duplicate.


Actually, it doesn't take much time at all, and I don't have to call out a single image. All I have to do is wind up DPC a few turns and watch it go. wheeeee!!
08/29/2010 03:49:10 PM · #124
Originally posted by posthumous:


Actually, it doesn't take much time at all, and I don't have to call out a single image. All I have to do is wind up DPC a few turns and watch it go. wheeeee!!


I wonder if you throw out those "guaranteed to start a conflagration" lines at family gatherings? Do you think it's funny there too? Can you see why people might regard the behavior as immature?

Message edited by author 2010-08-29 15:49:24.
08/29/2010 04:06:15 PM · #125
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