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08/17/2010 09:51:16 AM · #1
It looks like 3D still photography is going to go mainstream in a big way soon if you look at all the developments taking place right now. And I mean technology that does not require those horrible 3D glasses. 3D computer monitors are already here that don't require the use of glasses and Adobe is developing 3D software for editing 3D still photography. Fuji has just released specs of it's latest 3D camera and a 3D viewer.
//www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/camera/finepix_real3dw1/features/index.html
Will it mean the end of conventional 2D digital photography. Who knows? Will we soon be entering challenges here on DPC with 3D images? Is it better not too invest in a "new conventional old technology"digital camera now as they soon will be rather obsolete?
How many of you here look forward to and welcome 3D still photography? Will you abandon 2D photography for it?
More recent developments and articles on 3D still photography:
//www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10072801panasonic3dlens.asp
//blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/2010/07/3d-digital-photography-images-still-pictures-display-picture-frame-fujifilm-finepix-3dw1-camera-3dtvs-panasonic-vtseries-plas.html

A quote from the last linked article:
Quote"The depth and realism of the image were unprecedented in my experience, more like a live scene than a still shot. As I stepped through more photos, I saw spatial nuances such as windows and mirrors revealing continued depth beyond the glass panes, and people and objects in the room with palpable volume and unique positions in space with lifelike realism. These are attributes that are lost on a flat 2D image. And it was fast and easy to get 3D photos from the camera to the display. For the next few weeks I couldn't stop photographing all kinds of subjects, and then running to the TV to enjoy the immersive experience.

After two months shooting 3D pictures on the Fuji W1 camera and viewing them on the Panasonic 3D TV, I truly appreciate the power and potential of 3D images. What makes the images so involving is that I am looking at photos I've taken of people and places I know. My 3D photos of a recent trip to Europe have given me the pleasure of reliving the experience. Images of the "Sagrada Familia" cathedral in Barcelona, with its towering columns and sculptures, pull you into the space and evoke a response that is more visceral than cerebral. Travel slide shows will never be the same.

As beautiful as 2D images from the best digital SLR cameras may be, they will never provide the immersive experience you can get when viewing a 3D digital photo on a high-quality display. The fact that you need a 3D display and special glasses to view 3D photos means this technology won't replace traditional 2D photography any time soon, but I see these two formats as complementary rather than competing. The Fuji W1's ability to provide both formats proves they can peacefully coexist. It's clear to me that the next camera I buy must deliver both high-quality 2D and 3D images, but we need more 3D camera choices.

What do you think about 3D digital photography? Let us know. As for me, now that I have seen the third dimension, there is no turning back."Unquote

Message edited by author 2010-08-17 09:58:21.
08/17/2010 10:02:56 AM · #2
I hope it's a gimmick that burns out soon. I can tell you hate 3D movies. I had surgery to correct crossed eyes in my 20's and my eyes are still not perfectly aligned enough to experience the 3-D properly. I find the effect annoying at best.
08/17/2010 10:06:45 AM · #3
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I hope it's a gimmick that burns out soon. I can tell you hate 3D movies. I had surgery to correct crossed eyes in my 20's and my eyes are still not perfectly aligned enough to experience the 3-D properly. I find the effect annoying at best.

:) You are right Joe, I had a vicious headache after seeing Avatar in 3D. How could you tell I actually hate 3D movies? But I'm afraid it's not going to burn out. You don't need those horrible 3D glasses with the new 3D technology that is being developed.
08/17/2010 10:08:31 AM · #4
who needs a 3d monitor?

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or the true power of this... (NSFW)

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Message edited by author 2010-08-17 10:08:58.
08/17/2010 10:12:15 AM · #5
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I hope it's a gimmick that burns out soon. I can tell you hate 3D movies. I had surgery to correct crossed eyes in my 20's and my eyes are still not perfectly aligned enough to experience the 3-D properly. I find the effect annoying at best.


I went to see Toy Story in 3D. To me (also because my eyes are ever so slightly out of alignment), it just looked slightly out of focus the whole time. I didn't enjoy it all that much.
08/17/2010 10:13:47 AM · #6
you have to wear the glasses :)
08/17/2010 10:16:29 AM · #7
stereograms were here already five years ago, this one is meant for cross-eyed viewing:

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but I agree, the current ways to display 3D are all discomforting to some degree. I'll wait for holographic projectors.
08/17/2010 10:21:34 AM · #8
Originally posted by fridjo:

stereograms were here already five years ago, this one is meant for cross-eyed viewing:

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but I agree, the current ways to display 3D are all discomforting to some degree. I'll wait for holographic projectors.


Yes but like I said, with the new technology that the Fuji viewer has you don't need those glasses.
//www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/viewer/finepix_real3dv1/
08/17/2010 10:22:49 AM · #9
Originally posted by mike_311:

you have to wear the glasses :)

No you don't
//www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/viewer/finepix_real3dv1/

No glasses.
08/17/2010 10:27:17 AM · #10
Originally posted by mike_311:

you have to wear the glasses :)


I did have the glasses on. :P
08/17/2010 10:56:14 AM · #11
Originally posted by mike_311:

you have to wear the glasses :)

Umm, this is WITH the glasses.

I read or heard a survey somewhere recently that about 10% of the population has minor eye issues that makes 3-D viewing difficult. That would be a significant portion of the population they would be put off by this. Would they make enough additional revenue from 3-D to make it worth alienating 10% of the potential market?
08/17/2010 11:13:27 AM · #12
Fad!

(I hope)
08/17/2010 11:16:16 AM · #13
Originally posted by fridjo:

stereograms were here already five years ago, this one is meant for cross-eyed viewing:

Actually, they're a lot older than that. I remember these types of images from 1994.
08/17/2010 11:30:28 AM · #14
Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by fridjo:

stereograms were here already five years ago, this one is meant for cross-eyed viewing:

Actually, they're a lot older than that. I remember these types of images from 1994.

Stereoscopes were popular in early Victorian times!
08/17/2010 11:31:56 AM · #15
Originally posted by SaraR:

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by fridjo:

stereograms were here already five years ago, this one is meant for cross-eyed viewing:

Actually, they're a lot older than that. I remember these types of images from 1994.

Stereoscopes were popular in early Victorian times!

Not the digital kind. ;-)
08/17/2010 11:55:54 AM · #16
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by mike_311:

you have to wear the glasses :)

Umm, this is WITH the glasses.

I read or heard a survey somewhere recently that about 10% of the population has minor eye issues that makes 3-D viewing difficult. That would be a significant portion of the population they would be put off by this. Would they make enough additional revenue from 3-D to make it worth alienating 10% of the potential market?


it was a joke.

08/17/2010 11:56:19 AM · #17
My eye doctor has a super old stereogram viewer (1930s?) in his office. Pretty cool thing to check out while waiting for appointments :)

Originally posted by SaraR:

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by fridjo:

stereograms were here already five years ago, this one is meant for cross-eyed viewing:

Actually, they're a lot older than that. I remember these types of images from 1994.

Stereoscopes were popular in early Victorian times!
08/17/2010 12:36:44 PM · #18
Originally posted by alanfreed:

My eye doctor has a super old stereogram viewer (1930s?) in his office. Pretty cool thing to check out while waiting for appointments :)


I used to have a co-worker (he worked in the materials lab at one of our sister companies) that had an *old* viewer that was deigned to view two 4x6 inch prints. It was a nice old piece of hardware, and the results could be stunning if the prints were crisp.
Stereograms have been around for a long time, certainly from the first half of the last century.
Thinking about another thread related to panos, it would be *very* cool to do a challenge on stereograms. The same kind of width issues that affect (traditional) panos also affect stereograms; you need twice the width so the 800px limit is restrictive. The voting pool would also be somewhat limited since only those who can view them without assistance would be able to vote. Still, might be a fun "extra" challenge. Might also be a great topic for an informal side challenge...
08/17/2010 12:51:12 PM · #19
Remember the band Queen? Of course you do...everyone does. Well Brian May from Queen is an enthusiastic stereoscoper. They use what is called the "Owl Viewer" Check out this interesting site they have. The London Stereoscopic Company.
//www.londonstereo.com/index.html

The Owl Viewer
//www.londonstereo.com/stereophotography.html

Message edited by author 2010-08-17 13:04:42.
08/17/2010 12:53:48 PM · #20
I'm ready for anything new & plan to go for it as soon as I can. 3D! yeah! There will soon be new corrective procedures for the 10% with imperfect eyes.

I wonder how interested the porn video industry is in this new, startling, technology?

How will they sell tickets if we can get sports in 3D at home?

Explosions & car crashes on the big screen would be so fun, but exhausting!
08/17/2010 01:16:29 PM · #21
I've heard a couple of recent radio programs concerning stereo photography and 3-D vision. Links below are to program transcripts -- go to the program's home page if you want to download the podcasts.

Brian May discusses stereo photography on Fresh Air:
Originally posted by Show transcript:

(Soundbite of song, "Another One Bites the Dust")

TERRY GROSS: That's the band Queen. My guest, Brian May, is a founding member and the band's lead guitarist. In recent years, he's been concerned with a different kind of dust. Exactly three years ago today, he submitted his doctoral thesis in astrophysics on the subject "A Survey of Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud." He is now Dr. May, and he's chancellor of Liverpool John Moores University.

But that's not the only twist in his career that would surprise Queen fans. Brian May has also co-written the new book "A Village Lost and Found" that features stereoscopic photos from the 1850s. The pictures were taken by T.R. Williams, one of the first stereo photographers, of the small English village he used to summer in. To see these very early photos in 3-D, you have to assemble and look through a viewer that Brian May designed, which comes with the book.


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Do You See What I See? A Scientist's Journey Into 3-D
Originally posted by Show transcript:

It wasn't until my guest, Susan Barry, was in college that she realized she didn't see like other people did. She didn't see in 3-D; her world was only two-dimensional. She didn't have 3-D stereoscopic vision as the result of having developed severely crossed eyes when she was a baby.

Once she comprehended that she was missing something important, she found a developmental optometrist who taught her how to train her eyes to see in 3-D. Susan Barry's success challenged the popular theory that certain aspects of sensory development, including stereoscopic vision, had to be acquired in the first few years of life.


Myself, I'd be interested in making stereo prints (print pairs), and probably less so in making versions for digital viewing, mainly because I will not be upgrading any equipment or software any time soon ... :-(

Message edited by author 2010-08-17 13:17:27.
08/17/2010 01:23:41 PM · #22
Myself, I'd be interested in making stereo prints (print pairs), and probably less so in making versions for digital viewing, mainly because I will not be upgrading any equipment or software any time soon ... :-(

Same here General. I just recently got myself a mint condition Olympus E1 (downgrading?)and that's gonna have to serve me for the next couple of years.
Ps. Why the :-( instead of :)

Message edited by author 2010-08-17 13:24:31.
08/17/2010 01:33:27 PM · #23
Originally posted by ThingFish:

Myself, I'd be interested in making stereo prints (print pairs), and probably less so in making versions for digital viewing...


Hey, don't despair, as long as you can train yourself to view "cross-eyed" you don't need *any* special equipment for either capturing or displaying stereograms.
08/17/2010 02:22:58 PM · #24
Originally posted by Jac:

Fad!


Hmm ... that's what they said about HDR. In fact, that's what they said about color.
08/17/2010 02:31:33 PM · #25
3D will never be in my house...

gives me migraines... my husband vertigo... and my mom panic attacks... we are definitely part of the 10%
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