Under and Over "Minimal Editing" rules

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

08/04/2010 12:24:10 PM · #26

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
I'm nervous about entering these challenges! I'll definitely do something stupid and get DQ'd.

Just take a photo and do nothing to it. The no-crop is the main one for me... but oh well.

I will...

...use a non-DSLR
...take as good a photo as I can.
...upload directly to the site.

Why non-DSLR?

I have a couple and they are made for getting good results with the internal JPG processing. My DSLR I would have to configure too many settings to get best results and since I cannot process the RAW file, and never shoot JPG normally, it's not worth messing up my settings.

Unless I decide to do a fisheye or something. :)

Tully

Canon EOS-20D

08/04/2010 02:28:03 PM · #27

I'm looking forward to this challenge with Minimal Editing... I think sometimes in this digital age, we spend more time resting on our laurels (or post-production skills)and don't take the time to consider the shot and frame it before we press the shutter button as we did in the film era... maybe we'll see some interesting compositions this time around... happy shooting, everyone!

Message edited by author 2010-08-04 17:24:34.

Tully

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

08/04/2010 02:35:20 PM · #28

Originally posted by klkitchens:

You can set your Pentax K-7 to shoot Raw+JPEG, that way you can keep your RAW settings, and still have the .JPG to enter...

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

08/04/2010 02:40:52 PM · #29

Originally posted by Tully:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

I have a couple and they are made for getting good results with the internal JPG processing. My DSLR I would have to configure too many settings to get best results and since I cannot process the RAW file, and never shoot JPG normally, it's not worth messing up my settings.

Unless I decide to do a fisheye or something. :)

You can set your Pentax K-7 to shoot Raw+JPEG, that way you can keep your RAW settings, and still have the .JPG to enter...

Yeah, but then there are a ton of configuration settings on how that JPG gets created with saturation, noise, etc... don't want to fiddle with that when I can use a P&S and just set a preset mode. :)

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/04/2010 02:50:33 PM · #30

I'm interested in this, if for no other reason than that I NEVER shoot JPEG and this will reacquaint me with it. Although I might do as

klkitchens is saying and use my lx3 instead.
It's a fun change up.

androgeus

Canon EOS-600D/T3i Rebel

Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro for Canon

08/04/2010 03:31:02 PM · #31

You might be interested in the response I received from the Site Council to my question :

Question:
Is the use of "Sharpen" option in "FastStone Viewer" application allowed in "Minimal Editing" .
The level of sharpening can be set as a number between 0 and 20 .
Site Council Answer (thanks

Manic):
Yes, that would be permissible, as long as that is the only level of control over the sharpening.
The idea behind this is to only allow the most basic of sharpening, so no advanced sharpening tools (neatimage, USM, etc) are allowed.

Now is official.

SEG

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

08/04/2010 04:13:40 PM · #32

Is there a way to weed out only minimal editing challenges in the past to see some examples?

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

08/04/2010 04:19:07 PM · #33

the dq'ed picture i posted above (or below, based on your settings) will take you to one.

jdannels

Nikon D300s

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

08/04/2010 04:39:29 PM · #34

Originally posted by karmat:

Be careful with sharpening. ...

The image you posted was not dq'ed for illegal sharpening. It was dq'ed for resizing the image more than once.

Scalvert used a form of adamus sharpening where you resize the image to twice the final dimensions, run the sharpen tool, and resize for the the final output. He used the correct tool for sharpening, but goofed on the resizing. You can apply the sharpen tool as many times as you would like, just remember you can only resize the image once.

NiallOTuama

Google Pixel 2

08/08/2010 03:47:26 PM · #35

This is for clarification (heh!) of some rules that I read here:

Originally posted by Rules:

You may...
sharpen your entry using your editing software�s �sharpen� or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed

Does Lightroom 2's clarity slider break these rules?

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/08/2010 03:58:50 PM · #36

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Does Lightroom 2's clarity slider break these rules?

Yes. Clarity is not Sharpen. It's an illegal midtone contrast adjustment.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

08/08/2010 05:25:51 PM · #37

Apologies if this has already been addressed as I haven't read the thread, but it says we can make adjustments in-camera, apart from multiple overlays. Does this mean we can use in-camera pp, like d-lighting and straighten?OK ignore this, just saw first post on this thread so it answers my question.

Message edited by author 2010-08-08 17:27:25.

doremi

08/09/2010 02:34:39 PM · #38

I just entered my photo in the UNDER challenge. I stupidly thought it was a basic editing challenge... guess I have to remove my entry & try again! After reading through the minimal editing rules, I'm not sure if I can straighten a photo. I tend to think that it would not be allowed... any ideas?
Thanks

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

08/09/2010 02:37:56 PM · #39

Originally posted by doremi:

I'm not sure if I can straighten a photo. I tend to think that it would not be allowed... any ideas?

No, you cannot for these rules. You can rotate 90, 180 and 270 degrees. I am sure this is only to allow for holding the camera in a different orientation. So holding the camera straight is critical to this challenge.

MinsoPhoto

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

08/09/2010 02:38:05 PM · #40

Well

Yo_Spiff beat me to it, but just barely :)

Message edited by author 2010-08-09 14:38:59.

NiallOTuama

Google Pixel 2

08/09/2010 02:38:27 PM · #41

Originally posted by doremi:

Minimal only allows rotation of multiples of 90 degrees, so you can't even straighten it.
I was going to use Microsoft Paint to edit my shot to be safe I didn't do anything stupid :)

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

08/09/2010 02:41:40 PM · #42

Question...

YOU MAY

use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.

While photographing implies "while taking the photo"

However if the camera allows you to process a raw image into a JPG, is that a feature that is allowed? It then produces a JPG that comes "straight from the camera", but you could rotate, crop, etc... in-camera.

NiallOTuama

Google Pixel 2

08/09/2010 02:43:15 PM · #43

I don't think so. It says only one resizing. Which I take to mean resize for dpchallenge. Rotating resizes the image...
Hopefully someone from the SC will confirm or clarify this.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

08/09/2010 02:44:45 PM · #44

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

You can rotate 90, 180 and 270 degrees. I am sure this is only to allow for holding the camera in a different orientation. So holding the camera straight is critical to this challenge.

No kidding. Since I was tripod-less on vacation, and since I was shooting bracketed JPGs to nail the exposure, and since I had to be sure to have a correctly-exposed shot that was also squared up, I ended up with a LOT variations on each of several views, where with RAW processing I'd only have one per :-) And then I did them all RAW+JPG, just in case any turned out to be world-class images (they didn't) so I gotta lot of chaff in with the wheat, folks :-)

I did, however, manage one that was both properly exposed and all squared up :-)

R.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

08/09/2010 02:47:16 PM · #45

Originally posted by klkitchens:

See the following.

Originally posted by minimal editing rules:

Minimal Editing is intended as a �straight from the camera� test of skill, and allows only the adjustments essential to convert your original image into a form acceptable for submission on DPChallenge. Most editing tools are not permitted under these rules. Restrictions on post-processing apply to ALL edits performed after the image is captured, whether on a computer or with in-camera tools.

That seems clear enough, so the answer is "No."

R.