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07/08/2010 05:08:35 PM · #26
Wow... I see what you mean...especially in the dark "non-cloth" area.

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by giantmike:

Originally posted by Louis:

I don't think this photograph will be approved. There is a very obvious texture added as an overlay, which is not legal in Advanced. I anticipate a DQ.


I'm still trying to learn how to see stuff like this in an image (so I can know how to use these techniques on photos). Louis, can you please elaborate on what keys you into seeing a texture? Thanks!

The overlaid texture -- that part of the photo that looks kind of like a textured piece of gauze, probably meant to make the cloth she's wearing look more textured -- is far too uniform to be natural, particularly given the way the cloth is falling in the photograph. Also, the texture can be seen at her left shoulder, where it meets both the dark background and the cloth. My guess is a texture was overlaid, then erased around the face.


Message edited by author 2010-07-08 17:08:42.
07/08/2010 05:09:05 PM · #27
LOL...I will...that's the fun of it !

Originally posted by FourPoint7:

Originally posted by kenskid:

If this was taken during the month of June and is validated, I'll eat my lens cap.


and take a picture of yourself doing it.
07/08/2010 05:13:01 PM · #28
Originally posted by Louis:

I don't think this photograph will be approved. There is a very obvious texture added as an overlay, which is not legal in Advanced. I anticipate a DQ.

Originally posted by bvy:

Further, there seems to be some confusion about what camera he used...

Originally posted by ErinKirsten:

He probably has more than one and just didn't change the selection when he uploaded. DPC doesn't pick off of exif your camera - you have to put that in. I have two in my profile a D80 and a D300 but I have the D300 set as my default but if I shot with another I'd have to manually change it.

Originally posted by SteveJ:

If you don't change it, it is still a DQ!

Really??? How so? Is anything that's in error in the details considered a DQ?

I've forgotten to change my default settings a number of times switching back and forth between bodies & lenses......never thought anything of it, and sometimes it's been months 'til *I* have caught it and changed it in the details of the image.

I have also been in the position where I've been trying to decide between one of three images I've shot for an entry that vary slightly in settings......sometimes at the last minute I've just changed the actual image I've uploaded and left the aperture, ISO, & shutter settings go since they were close. Is that a DQ offense? I thought that things you'd get DQed for comprised doing things outside the rules. I didn't think they covered brain fade.......8>)
07/08/2010 05:16:30 PM · #29
Hum, looks like one needn't go further than the other picture at his flickr page. Same gal, same scene, no texture.

07/08/2010 05:24:42 PM · #30
Originally posted by Louis:

Hum, looks like one needn't go further than the other picture at his flickr page. Same gal, same scene, no texture.


I think you're wrong here Louis. The fabric is in front and behind her in the shot. And the fabric has a distinct pattern within it which is not in every part of it. As for the shots on his flickr page, he has several of them of her with different veils and lighting. Perhaps we can assume that this photog has actually done a great job and quit looking for reasons to think any different.
07/08/2010 05:26:36 PM · #31
Originally posted by kleski:

Originally posted by Louis:

Hum, looks like one needn't go further than the other picture at his flickr page. Same gal, same scene, no texture.


I think you're wrong here Louis. The fabric is in front and behind her in the shot. And the fabric has a distinct pattern within it which is not in every part of it. As for the shots on his flickr page, he has several of them of her with different veils and lighting. Perhaps we can assume that this photog has actually done a great job and quit looking for reasons to think any different.


Check out this one though - very distinctly the same shot (just zoomed out) and the texture is totally different Shot 2

Here is a better example - side by side - the texture is not the same. Too bad - I would have loved it without the texture.

side by side

Message edited by author 2010-07-08 17:29:16.
07/08/2010 05:29:53 PM · #32
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:

Originally posted by kleski:

Originally posted by Louis:

Hum, looks like one needn't go further than the other picture at his flickr page. Same gal, same scene, no texture.


I think you're wrong here Louis. The fabric is in front and behind her in the shot. And the fabric has a distinct pattern within it which is not in every part of it. As for the shots on his flickr page, he has several of them of her with different veils and lighting. Perhaps we can assume that this photog has actually done a great job and quit looking for reasons to think any different.


Check out this one though - very distinctly the same shot (just zoomed out) and the texture is totally different Shot 2


The fabric pattern can be seen next to her face on the left. The DoF in that shot blurs the other portions...

How about encouraging words instead of picking someone apart?? Is that what this community is about now????
07/08/2010 05:30:36 PM · #33
Louis: I see where you are coming from. However, this picture, same setting, does have the texture, although more prominent where the cloth on a darker background.

I may be wrong eventually. But for now, I am giving him the benefit of doubt... it's an amazing capture.. with or without the texture and/or the ribbon:-)
07/08/2010 05:36:31 PM · #34
Originally posted by Prash:

Louis: I see where you are coming from. However, this picture, same setting, does have the texture, although more prominent where the cloth on a darker background.

I may be wrong eventually. But for now, I am giving him the benefit of doubt... it's an amazing capture.. with or without the texture and/or the ribbon:-)


I agree - no matter the outcome - this is stunning photography!! I love that ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' librodo influenced him, what a testament to them both!
07/08/2010 05:38:48 PM · #35
Originally posted by kleski:

Originally posted by ErinKirsten:

Originally posted by kleski:

Originally posted by Louis:

Hum, looks like one needn't go further than the other picture at his flickr page. Same gal, same scene, no texture.


I think you're wrong here Louis. The fabric is in front and behind her in the shot. And the fabric has a distinct pattern within it which is not in every part of it. As for the shots on his flickr page, he has several of them of her with different veils and lighting. Perhaps we can assume that this photog has actually done a great job and quit looking for reasons to think any different.


Check out this one though - very distinctly the same shot (just zoomed out) and the texture is totally different Shot 2


The fabric pattern can be seen next to her face on the left. The DoF in that shot blurs the other portions...

How about encouraging words instead of picking someone apart?? Is that what this community is about now????


I don't think anyone is picking him apart - I think people are trying to see techniques and learn. I can't sing his praises enough - if it is DQ'd it'll be a shame but will not take away from the beauty of this photograph or his skills as a photographer - he rocks!
07/08/2010 05:39:20 PM · #36
Originally posted by kleski:

How about encouraging words instead of picking someone apart?? Is that what this community is about now????

We all have a stake in this; it's valid dialogue. I give him the benefit of the doubt -- I hope it all works out. But we've seen it before where a brand new member comes in with a blowaway image, takes a ribbon, and then gets DQed either because they didn't understand the rules or just blatantly disregarded them. I see what looks like a texture. If it passes validation (and I hope it does), then I'll be very impressed.
07/08/2010 05:41:24 PM · #37
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by kleski:

How about encouraging words instead of picking someone apart?? Is that what this community is about now????

We all have a stake in this; it's valid dialogue. I give him the benefit of the doubt -- I hope it all works out. But we've seen it before where a brand new member comes in with a blowaway image, takes a ribbon, and then gets DQed either because they didn't understand the rules or just blatantly disregarded them. I see what looks like a texture. If it passes validation (and I hope it does), then I'll be very impressed.


I am impressed no matter what - I can't imagine it was a blatant disregard (if texture was added - which to my eye it has been). It won't change my view of this photograph either way. Gorgeous and inspiring.
07/08/2010 05:42:45 PM · #38
as the 4th place finisher, I am admittedly torn on the issue. ;-)
07/08/2010 05:44:13 PM · #39
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by kleski:

How about encouraging words instead of picking someone apart?? Is that what this community is about now????

We all have a stake in this; it's valid dialogue. I give him the benefit of the doubt -- I hope it all works out. But we've seen it before where a brand new member comes in with a blowaway image, takes a ribbon, and then gets DQed either because they didn't understand the rules or just blatantly disregarded them. I see what looks like a texture. If it passes validation (and I hope it does), then I'll be very impressed.


Right.

And FWIW, it also sits in his D700 tagged collection. Lets give a new fellow artist a warm welcome. Until we find out, and regardless of what we find out, he has some impressive work that most of us can learn from.

And anyways, in absence of proving whether or not someone violated the TOS intentionally or not, I assume everyone is innocent. Jus sayin:-)
07/08/2010 06:00:31 PM · #40
Originally posted by kleski:

Originally posted by Louis:

Hum, looks like one needn't go further than the other picture at his flickr page. Same gal, same scene, no texture.


I think you're wrong here Louis. The fabric is in front and behind her in the shot. And the fabric has a distinct pattern within it which is not in every part of it. As for the shots on his flickr page, he has several of them of her with different veils and lighting. Perhaps we can assume that this photog has actually done a great job and quit looking for reasons to think any different.

I don't think I'm wrong. it's quite clearly an added texture.
07/08/2010 06:06:39 PM · #41
Louis has a good eye and I think he's dead on. It will get DQ'd. The second I saw a 1st entry blue ribbon I gave it a 50% chance of DQ. I just see it far too often. Usually it's a date error or no original, but it can be a rules issue too.
07/08/2010 06:13:07 PM · #42
Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by kleski:

Originally posted by Louis:

Hum, looks like one needn't go further than the other picture at his flickr page. Same gal, same scene, no texture.


I think you're wrong here Louis. The fabric is in front and behind her in the shot. And the fabric has a distinct pattern within it which is not in every part of it. As for the shots on his flickr page, he has several of them of her with different veils and lighting. Perhaps we can assume that this photog has actually done a great job and quit looking for reasons to think any different.

I don't think I'm wrong. it's quite clearly an added texture.


It does look like a texture was added after the fact. You can even see some of it in the dark areas on the right side, where none should exist if it is to be believed as a real texture and not an overlay. A shame really since comparing it to the flickr version the overlay doesn't really add much to the image.
07/08/2010 06:18:46 PM · #43
I agree with Louis's analysis, that is logical. If we doubt a violation, we can report the picture. There is a process to do that.

But let us not be disrespectful to a good artist, who is new to the site?

I have an issue (in general, NOT with Louis or DrAchoo or anyone in particular) with people here being doubtful and not welcoming to new members, especially if the noobs are 'good' at their work (look at his work on Flickr. It is astounding!). Are ribbons everything? What about common sense and courtesy for fellow artists? Just because it was his first entry, and (hypothetically) lets say he violated the TOS, intentionally or otherwise, does that make him a bad photographer, and not worthy of respect on DPC?

(((( spreading positive energy....... ))))

07/08/2010 07:09:22 PM · #44
The photog did not mean to break the rules IMO. I did the same thing with my first entry. I even stated my process in the details!
07/08/2010 08:33:48 PM · #45
I don't mind the over-done, anime-style eyes, but I am annoyed that that photog does not acknowledge any comments - complimentary or critical - as helpful. To me that is exceedingly rude.

@ ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kenskid...I have seen so many noobs lose ribbons because they violated very basic rules, ie submitting photos taken outside the submission date, etc. So I have stopped feeling sorry for them. If you're going to play here, learn the rules first, then submit! Ignorance is no excuse.

Message edited by author 2010-07-08 20:37:07.
07/08/2010 08:39:45 PM · #46
Originally posted by snaffles:

I don't mind the over-done, anime-style eyes, but I am annoyed that that photog does not acknowledge any comments - complimentary or critical - as helpful. To me that is exceedingly rude.

@ ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kenskid...I have seen so many noobs lose ribbons because they violated very basic rules, ie submitting photos taken outside the submission date, etc. So I have stopped feeling sorry for them. If you're going to play here, learn the rules first, then submit! Ignorance is no excuse.


I agree wholeheartedly. I am new here, but I can also read. I know my images could have been made alot better using post processing, yet I still followed the rules, because I can read.
07/08/2010 08:44:32 PM · #47
Originally posted by snaffles:

I don't mind the over-done, anime-style eyes, but I am annoyed that that photog does not acknowledge any comments - complimentary or critical - as helpful. To me that is exceedingly rude.


Three are a number of people that don't check in all the time. Being it his first entry, I think we should really cut him some slack. He may not even be aware that he can click 'comment helpful' at the bottom of each comment left, and further, he may not have checked in to even read them yet....
07/08/2010 08:47:09 PM · #48
Originally posted by bassbone:


Three are a number of people that don't check in all the time.


which three? i check in ALL the time!
07/08/2010 08:48:53 PM · #49
Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by bassbone:


Three are a number of people that don't check in all the time.


which three? i check in ALL the time!


We who prowl the threads and click the update button don't fit into that calculation....it is those that have not become hooked that may not understand yet that all revolves around DPC....
07/08/2010 08:49:45 PM · #50
Originally posted by snaffles:

I don't mind the over-done, anime-style eyes, but I am annoyed that that photog does not acknowledge any comments - complimentary or critical - as helpful. To me that is exceedingly rude.


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