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07/07/2010 01:06:28 PM · #1 |
Yet another photographer saying that the gear doesn't matter.
course we won't mention how much $$ in lighting he was using..
//gizmodo.com/5580276/professional-fashion-shootwith-an-iphone-3gs
thought I'd share though, thought it was pretty fun watch.
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07/07/2010 01:24:49 PM · #2 |
I know Lee and he is an awesome guy. I think this video is going to propel that group and his business a whole lot more now haha. Way to go Lee.
I agree though, they have pretty nice lights. |
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07/07/2010 01:48:20 PM · #3 |
I like how he totally dissed Olympus at the beginning of the video, "Who uses that?"
The phone ringing in the middle of the shoot was sweet, too. |
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07/07/2010 01:51:14 PM · #4 |
he did add two $50 work lights to amp up the lighting :)
eta: //fstoppers.com/ is a great site for behind the scenes videos. A couple of my favs are
//fstoppers.com/scott-mcclellan-blows-up-a-kitchen/
//fstoppers.com/michael-koerbel-directs-a-video-on-the-iphone-4/
Message edited by author 2010-07-07 13:54:19. |
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07/08/2010 02:37:22 PM · #5 |
Heck, some of the softboxes would have cost as much as an Iphone 3GS without a contract.
I realize this was a tongue-in-cheek but to say that 'gear doesnt matter' and then do a shoot that would cost a ton doesnt prove a thing.
Thousands of dollars in lighting, softboxes, light stands, studio space, a beautiful model would cost money, the hair and MUA costs money, as would sending off the pics to a photo editor.
I would have been more impressed if he would have used a 80 dollar digital camera and those two lights from lowes.....then he could say that 'gear doesn't matter' |
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07/08/2010 03:58:02 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I like how he totally dissed Olympus at the beginning of the video, "Who uses that?"
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07/08/2010 03:59:46 PM · #7 |
The basic point is not that "gear doesn't matter" in the sense that better gear is not helpful, but that getting better gear will not necessarily make your images better. Knowing how to use whatever gear you have is just as important, rather than saying, well, if only I had a D3s or a 5DMkII, then I could get the shot.
Sure, he had lighting already--he used a cheap camera in a studio instead of an expensive one to show what was possible. He worked around the limitations of the camera (because he knows them), including goosing his modeling light with some flood lights, since he knows he needs a lot of light to get the most out of the iphone camera (not a good low light performer).
He could have taken the model outside, shot with an iphone and an assistant holding a reflector, too, to get around the "I could do good shots if I had all those lights" comments. But then someone would say "sure, I could do that too if I only had a reflector and an assistant to hold it"
(I am gonna see if the led flash on my phone will trigger the optical slave on my studio strobes!) ETA: It DOES, but only when very close. May try one of my old plugin optical triggers :-)
Message edited by author 2010-07-08 16:10:07. |
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07/08/2010 04:06:00 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I like how he totally dissed Olympus at the beginning of the video, "Who uses that?"
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Just struck me as funny that he thought it would be totally absurd to even think of using Olympus. "Olympus, I mean, who does that?" I knew a couple of pros back in my photo-j days that shot Olympus. All the Nikon/Canon shooters looked at them like they were from Mars of something.
Nothing personally against Olympus, I owned on OM-1 at one point and my most recent point and shoot purchase was a weather proof Olympus. |
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07/08/2010 04:11:20 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I like how he totally dissed Olympus at the beginning of the video, "Who uses that?"
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Just struck me as funny that he thought it would be totally absurd to even think of using Olympus. "Olympus, I mean, who does that?" I knew a couple of pros back in my photo-j days that shot Olympus. All the Nikon/Canon shooters looked at them like they were from Mars of something.
Nothing personally against Olympus, I owned on OM-1 at one point and my most recent point and shoot purchase was a weather proof Olympus. |
My first "real" camera was an OM-2n (still have it) and it was followed by an XA-2 point/shoot that was ahead of its time. |
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07/11/2010 02:16:34 PM · #10 |
He wasnt talking about gear, he was talking specifically cameras. The point of the video is to show people you CAN take good pictures with almost any camera and to stop making excuses.
Read Lee's Response
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07/11/2010 03:50:47 PM · #11 |
| "Dude this can't even shoot RAW" - Love it! |
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07/11/2010 04:41:33 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by mgarsteck:
He wasnt talking about gear, he was talking specifically cameras. The point of the video is to show people you CAN take good pictures with almost any camera and to stop making excuses.
Read Lee's Response |
I thought it was great and I understood immediately that it was all about the camera. Anyone here who knows  Joey Lawrence's early DPC work has proven this time and again.
I particularly like this quote from Lee's response:
Originally posted by Lee Morris:
With today’s market being what it is I see Photoshop as a necessary tool for every image I make. I am in the business of making money and my clients do not care if I got it perfect in the camera or made it perfect in post, they simply want a perfect image. |
One for the purists around here. :P
Message edited by author 2010-07-11 16:43:09. |
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07/11/2010 05:17:56 PM · #13 |
This was a great video for showing that you can make the best out of what you have. We've seen iphone images win challenges on this site so we all know it can be done. That being said in a perfect studio environment with the perfect lights the camera does not make a difference. However, let him go outside without the lights and try landscape images with the iphone and edit them. Then it gets a little harder. I view that video the same as I see a Michale Moore documentary. Perception is reality to most people. You can twist anything you want and if you make it look professional there is a ton of peeps who will believe you. Kind of goes along the same guidelines as saying, "never use RAW setting and always have your camera set to auto, then just fix it in post." How many people here would agree with that. Your miss out on a whole other level of photography by doing that.
That being said it was an interesting video and I'm glad I watched it. It does show that with $$$ in lighting you can make some awesome images with any rig.
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07/11/2010 07:13:04 PM · #14 |
| One thing that I hope people get out of this is that through years of experience and knowledge of the ins and outs of exposure, that you CAN do a lot with just a little. Its the experience that is priceless. Give an inexperienced photog a Canon 1Ds Mk IV and he wont take shots that are worth a dime most likely (but who knows he might be a natural). But give a guy that has been around the block and he can take amazing shots with just about anything. |
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07/11/2010 08:50:02 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by mgarsteck:
One thing that I hope people get out of this is that through years of experience and knowledge of the ins and outs of exposure, that you CAN do a lot with just a little. Its the experience that is priceless. Give an inexperienced photog a Canon 1Ds Mk IV and he wont take shots that are worth a dime most likely (but who knows he might be a natural). But give a guy that has been around the block and he can take amazing shots with just about anything. |
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07/11/2010 09:59:01 PM · #16 |
Some of the stuff we've brought up here (i.e. the lighting) he addresses in this post
//fstoppers.com/lee-morris-responds-to-the-iphone-fashion-shoot/
I have to say I kinda "got" what he was going for to begin with. Yes he has nice lights but he could have replaced all of them with the work lights from Lowe's and actually get better results. (He was just using the modeling lights on his strobes which are only 200w lights). The point was some people thing that their camera limits them and they need a $5000 camera to do anything like this. Anyways...I'll let him make his own case. |
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07/12/2010 03:47:34 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
Some of the stuff we've brought up here (i.e. the lighting) he addresses in this post
//fstoppers.com/lee-morris-responds-to-the-iphone-fashion-shoot/
I have to say I kinda "got" what he was going for to begin with. Yes he has nice lights but he could have replaced all of them with the work lights from Lowe's and actually get better results. (He was just using the modeling lights on his strobes which are only 200w lights). The point was some people thing that their camera limits them and they need a $5000 camera to do anything like this. Anyways...I'll let him make his own case. |
anything like this is the key thing. People buy expensive equipment for many reasons. One of them is to shoot in very difficult conditions. Ask him to shoot a high speed race with iphone and compare the results with nikon d3s, he will be surprised. Not everyone who buys expensive gear shoots what he was doing. |
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07/12/2010 02:39:01 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by mgarsteck:
Give an inexperienced photog a Canon 1Ds Mk IV and he wont take shots that are worth a dime most likely (but who knows he might be a natural). |
Indeed, a pro would struggle to get shots with that mythical beast. |
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07/12/2010 03:22:34 PM · #19 |
| Ha added an extra letter, but the point is made I think. On a side note, I certainly hope they do a press release about the MK IV soon. I have been reading CanonRumors.com and it seems to be something I could definitely lust after |
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07/12/2010 03:26:45 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by mgarsteck:
Ha added an extra letter, but the point is made I think. On a side note, I certainly hope they do a press release about the MK IV soon. I have been reading CanonRumors.com and it seems to be something I could definitely lust after |
You are just all about the extra letters today aren't you? :) |
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07/12/2010 03:42:38 PM · #21 |
| That extra letter (the s) is the difference between full frame and crop sensor. Maybe Im just wishful thinking, just want the camera. Im sure it will be a step up from my 40D |
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07/19/2010 09:23:25 PM · #22 |
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07/19/2010 09:56:42 PM · #23 |
just came across this link today.
//www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/iphone-dslr-the-next-generation-video/ |
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07/19/2010 10:09:16 PM · #24 |
lmao, yeah right. How about we take away the thousands of dollars spent on those studio lights (I don't own studio lights), and the Photo editing to smooth out her skin and enhance contrast, then all you have is a normal photo but at iPhone resolution.
FAIL.
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07/19/2010 10:30:23 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
lmao, yeah right. How about we take away the thousands of dollars spent on those studio lights (I don't own studio lights), and the Photo editing to smooth out her skin and enhance contrast, then all you have is a normal photo but at iPhone resolution.
FAIL. |
Point Missed:
It isn't just the lights that make a photo work, just like it is not the camera. He substituted an iphone directly into a situation where he otherwise would have used a pricey dslr, and made the shot work. He could have done the same thing outside, in ambient light with reflectors maybe, so people wouldn't get distracted by the lighting equipment, but I guess he figured that people would understand his point. Keep everything the same, change the camera, make it work. If he set up a good shot in open shade, no lights, he could have done the same thing.
The whole point of the thing is getting away from the "yea, I could do that too, but only if I had all that gear" mindset. He limited this to a change in camera, not a change in everything, just to make the specific point about cameras. He even switched to worklights from home depot at one point.
FAIL, yes, but not his....
Message edited by author 2010-07-19 22:33:01. |
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