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06/22/2004 04:07:12 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by boomer:
Originally posted by G4Ds:
Nazgul... Not trying to be mean, and I know that image you put on can be funny to a lot of people, but my wife works with kids who have disabilities and I find the material offensive. Would you please remove it? |
I second the request. |
Done;)
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06/22/2004 04:07:59 PM · #177 |
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06/22/2004 04:09:46 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
Hint: When you surf my full name on the internet - you find my photos! Hmmm..... what do I find when I surf your name?
To appease the nah sayers - I will load a few other pictures of mine to this web site........ check out my various portfolios in a few days.
For those of you who want to know how good my picture in this challenge is - and it's doing quite nice, thank-you...... Why does it's place or number matter? That I learned a new technique, posted a how to do it, and spent three days giving it my best shot is enough. Where was your effort?
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When I searched Kevin McCarthy Photographer and clicked on images I got:
Kevin McCarthy Images from Google
When I typed in Glacier Wolf it did lead me to here: Glacierwolf on Google
Now, let's type in my name and see what happens! :) Deannda Neufer, No images but many other links :)
And my user name: Neuferland
And another name I use on line: TDMENEUF
You have some nice shots but there is only one shot in all that I have seen that stands out to me and that is the sleepy bear seen here and yes, I did see your Photosig account and again, some nice shots but nothing that makes me say, "WOW!" I hope your desaturation shoot does very well but again, I ask you to think twice about tearing any particular shot apart after the challenge is over. And to please temper your comments and responses with just a touch of humility and manners.
Deannda |
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06/22/2004 04:13:43 PM · #179 |
I don't watch American Idol - but - does Simon actually sing or dance on the show? I thought he was a record producer and a talent scout?
My only interest here is to get people to take better pictures. Not fame. Yes, I do have an inflamatory style of writing - it gets results - and it works. Learn to live with it. Gooz-fa-ba.... gooz-fa-ba
Yeah, you would need to surf on my complete full name Gordon.....it's not fully listed in the profile profile..... but if you use my rank and last name you can get some old stuff off the official US Coast Guard web site.
One more thing. If people reduce themselves to slander and name callin' each other like the March thread - this one goes bye-bye too :)
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06/22/2004 04:22:41 PM · #180 |
If a DPC member is discouraged from continuing with the great hobby of photography because of a few bad or insulting critiques, as I think I remember seeing some comments mention above, then I would say that person really doesn't have a passion for this art.
I'm not saying that the way Kevin has decided to pursue critique on DPC is the best approach, but it would also behoove people to remember that it's not only receiving critique that is important on DPC, but also writing and giving them. Maybe, in time, Kevin will learn to shed his hubris for humbleness when he realizes that the best way to learn on here is through accurate descriptions of how he feels about the photographs he's commenting on, and not so much on insults.
In the meantime, I would say stop being so defensive and take what he says with a grain of salt...It may hurt some, but learn what you can from his comments and then get on with shooting another.
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 16:24:35. |
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06/22/2004 04:31:21 PM · #181 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
If a DPC member is discouraged from continuing with the great hobby of photography because of a few bad or insulting critiques, as I think I remember seeing some comments mention above, then I would say that person really doesn't have a passion for this art.
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They may not be discouraged from continuing the hobby, just not participating at a site where people can be cruel. I referred a friend to the site, she has been on the receiving end of a few harsh and rude comments but like she said, it just reminds her to be a better person to the next person and to her students. But not all will feel this way and if you let one person go around disrupting the site and chasing off other photographers, where does that leave you? It's a two sided sword, no one wins when people are rude.
For example, here are three critiques, all basically the same but in different approaches:
Rude:
What were you thinking? Why are you wasting my time? Don't give up your day job.
Polite:
This is an interesting shot but I'm not sure I understand where you are going with this shot and what your train of thought was at the time. I would like to see your comments after the challenge. There is room for improvement and here are some suggestions: (list ideas to improve the shot)
Sugar Coat:
This is a wonderful shot but there are a few things that could use correcting and while it's a nice shot I'm just not sure where you are headed with this composition or idea! :) Keep shooting!
Deannda
I strive for polite myself, how about you? |
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06/22/2004 04:35:51 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I don't watch American Idol - but - does Simon actually sing or dance on the show? I thought he was a record producer and a talent scout?
My only interest here is to get people to take better pictures. Not fame. Yes, I do have an inflamatory style of writing - it gets results - and it works. Learn to live with it. Gooz-fa-ba.... gooz-fa-ba
Yeah, you would need to surf on my complete full name Gordon.....it's not fully listed in the profile profile..... but if you use my rank and last name you can get some old stuff off the official US Coast Guard web site.
One more thing. If people reduce themselves to slander and name callin' each other like the March thread - this one goes bye-bye too :) |
just give us a link to your photos on the web.
James
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06/22/2004 04:41:17 PM · #183 |
Glacierwolf on Photosig
That is all I found after a search since I don't have his "full" name
Deannda
Most of the same stuff he has here, a few others |
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06/22/2004 04:52:45 PM · #184 |
After wading through about 8 Google pages of various Kevin McCarthys and not finding a reference to you I typed in glacierwolf and came up with another challenge site with a bunch of pedestrian nature shots, some ice sculpture shots, and countless shots of the Aurora, a spectacular subject that pretty much guarantees oohs and ahs.
I'm not just expressing this opinion because of this thread. I've actually looked at your profile in the past and been unimpressed. I recall being surprised that you have so many years of film photography under your belt. I think the quality of your work is nowhere near the level you esteem it. Your comments on this thread indicate a delusion that you've reached the apex of your experience and talent and that we are fools if we aren't ready to except your crusty critiques. I believe you truly think you are being an endearingly curmudeonly old coot who'll we'll all remember fondly once we've realized how we've benefited from your experience. This is a delusion that you must free yourself of.
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 16:53:26. |
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06/22/2004 05:06:48 PM · #185 |
hmmm....
It's not like it's really such a 'miracle' if your stuff shows up on the web after having your name typed in. I honestly don't see what the fuss is about.
My name typed in on the web pulls up my websites and my artwork too, but it doesn't mean that I am some 'big shot-better-than-everyone-else-and-none-can-measure-to-my-unsurpassed-abilities'...
So what's the big deal Glacierwolf...? I guess you believe that it makes you somehow more important than the others here---because your name pulls up your website??---... or you think it's a good reason to put yourself on that 80 foot high pedastool you're balancing on for apparently some time now?
Get over yourself.... You're not that great. |
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06/22/2004 05:16:56 PM · #186 |
i didn't make it through every single post in this thread, so i may be saying something that has already been said....but i think we would do well to remember that art is soooooo subjective. just because glacierwolf or someone else doesnt like it/think it is good, i mean, oh well. to that end, even if a lot of the voters dont see what you saw in it, again, oh well. everyone sees things differently. not everyone is going to like and appreciate what you like and what you saw. the way i look at is, if you can touch even one person--if you can get even one person to see what you were trying for, then kudos to you. you don't have to please everyone, and you certainly dont have to please the ones who think that you aren't creative or original or that you submitted poop. that's their opinion and more power to them. you are just different in nature. you probably wouldnt have anything to talk about at a dinner party either, but that's ok too. i'm sure they (and you) have plenty in common with someone else.
that having been said, i probably would not be so inclined to listen to him were i to receive a comment on my shot based on his callous attitude towards the other people on this site--and because hey, i *know* what i was thinking! :), but i mean, his opinion is his opinion. even if it is narrow. ;) point being, that just because gw thinks that only 16 of the photos meet the challenge well, you have to remember that that's just his opinion of how the challenge should have been met. i get a kick out of the challenges because it is awesome to me to see how differently people interpret them. and i understand that some are new and have some learning to do (don't we all) and even then i have seem a lot of glimmers of creativity coming through. just for the record i don't even care for desaturated pics, but when i vote i will do the same as always and look at each one objectively and try to find what it meant to the artist, regardless of whether it appeals to me or not. cuz i dont think that most of us would bother submitting something that didn't mean 'something' to them.
edit--spelling
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 17:20:03. |
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06/22/2004 05:23:51 PM · #187 |
Originally posted by Alecia:
i didn't make it through every single post in this thread, so i may be saying something that has already been said....edit--spelling |
What? You didn't read the 186 (probably more by now) posts to this thread??????? What are you thinking??????? LOL
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06/22/2004 05:28:48 PM · #188 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
What? You didn't read the 186 (probably more by now) posts to this thread??????? What are you thinking??????? LOL |
rofl!! i was thinking about my sanity, probably. :) |
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06/22/2004 05:29:45 PM · #189 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I am ticked pink to see over 144+ replies and 3,336+ views in less than 12 hours of my post. Shows people are reading and thinking. |
Nope. It only shows how important you think you are.
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
However, the "Gotta enter every challenge even if my picture is poop" mentality still thrives here - especially after reading replies from people that seem to feel the #of Challenges = How good you are. Hint: When you surf my full name on the internet - you find my photos! Hmmm..... what do I find when I surf your name? |
That's a fun bit of fuzzy logic. Are you implying that because you can be Google'd that somehow your mere "once a month" appearance in the challenges is a treat to all of us amateurs?
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
To appease the nah sayers - I will load a few other pictures of mine to this web site........ check out my various portfolios in a few days. |
Ooooh, another treat. Keep them.
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
For those of you who want to know how good my picture in this challenge is - and it's doing quite nice, thank-you...... Why does it's place or number matter? That I learned a new technique, posted a how to do it, and spent three days giving it my best shot is enough. Where was your effort? |
Don't you get it? If you come into a community of self-proclaimed amateurs with an attitude of photographic enlightenment, you'll be judged against other amateurs to place a value on the merit of your comments. Since your work has, by seemingly unanimous agreement, not lived up to your ego, your submissions place and score matter very much in evaluating your opinions.
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
In the future - if you want to avoid sarcastic comments from me - don't waste my time voting on your poorly composed material. And considering some of the poor excuses for a submission I've been forced to view the past two days - I have been *very* tactful - you have no idea what I really wanted to write. Seems very lucky for many of you I don't enter every challenge, and, I only vote or comment on challenges I have personally accomplished...... I'm in the same boat as you. I just know how to sail better. |
Ugh. Never before has such drivel been typed into the Message box of the Post Reply form at DPChallenge.com as that last paragraph you so thoughtfully crafted. I'm off to the Web Site Suggestions forum to suggest an 'ignore member's forum posts' feature. Or maybe just 'Ignore Glacierwolf' feature.
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 17:30:35. |
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06/22/2004 05:30:32 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by Alecia:
Originally posted by Kylie:
What? You didn't read the 186 (probably more by now) posts to this thread??????? What are you thinking??????? LOL |
rofl!! i was thinking about my sanity, probably. :) |
Alecia - this is off topic, but you look very young in your photo and you are a very accomplished photographer. My compliments to you! (Young or not!!!)
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06/22/2004 05:35:32 PM · #191 |
Hey everyone.
Although I do agree with many of the posts on this thread - I do not think it is constructive - or appropriate - to "fight fire with fire" by attacking someone. When we stoop to that, we belittle ourselves.
I'd feel a lot more comfortable if someone posted an image of to comment on - good or bad.
There is a note that says "Users should feel free and are encouraged to leave comments on a photograph using the comment box under each photograph. Criticism, praise, and other constructive comments are all welcome. Blatantly slanderous, rude, or profane comments may be removed, and the owners of such comments may be suspended or lose their accounts.
So - rather than attack someone - why not submit offending comments to the SC for any needed action. And then spend your time making comments on images instead of posting to this thread... what I'm gonna go do right now.
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06/22/2004 05:41:43 PM · #192 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
Alecia - this is off topic, but you look very young in your photo and you are a very accomplished photographer. My compliments to you! (Young or not!!!) |
ah, thank you kylie! :) no i'm not all that young! i guess that picture is um, almost 3 years old? i suppose i should do another but i totally hate pictures of myself. :) but thank you very much for your compliment on my work. you are very kind! |
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06/22/2004 05:50:46 PM · #193 |
At what point does this cross the line into the RANT category? Personally, I would consider glacierwolf's initial post a rant. ;-)
That said, there are countless forum threads in which a member has requested a photo critique after the challenged closed- either because the image only received a few vague comments, or because the comments were so loaded with praise that they didn't jive with the photo's pedestrian score. The second comment I received in the Selective Desaturation challenge was from glacierwolf. It was favorably worded, but left little doubt why my score is clinging to a 5.19 (lower than I expected). If I didn't receive any more comments, I would at least know what the problem was.
Glacierwolf, I appreciate that you've been shooting for a long time, but experience doesn't always translate into greatness (I consider Konador one of the most talented photographers here, and that freak of nature is only 17). Your photos are above average, but not up to the level that I would consider you a master of the field. Many of the points you make are perfectly valid- you don't have to boast about your own photographic prowess in order to justify them. I appreciate that you are one of the few people who leave truly helpful comments, but I do hope that you will consider a less condescending tone. You'll have more impact if the recipient isn't defensive.
BTW– I tend to mark nearly all comments as helpful, regardless of whether or not they offer a suggestion for improvement. Even a "great shot" or "this sucks" helps me to understand the popularity of my concepts and techniques. |
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06/22/2004 06:01:01 PM · #194 |
GW does make some valid points but, as it so often happens, the message is lost for the want of a thoughtful messenger.
this site has grown by leaps and bounds lately and there are a lot of photos submitted by people that have only recently taken up photography as a hobby. their enthusiasm to be a part of this community may lead them to submit a photo that isn't "up to par" in the eyes of some of the more experienced photographers. (have a look at my first few submissions...yuck!...come to think of it, there's a lot of "yuck!" throughout my submissions and portfolio) from what i've experienced, though, this site is about learning and sharing knowledge with beginners. some photographers have an innate sense of what comprises a dynamic image, others have to learn what makes an interesting and moving photo. some will take the information they glean from making and receiving comments and put it to good use, others will never grasp the concept. some of us want nothing more than to take pleasing photos to share with family and friends, others look to move on to a career as a professional photographer. but, in my opinion, all of us are here because we want to be better at something we enjoy doing.
from reading these forum posts, no one wants sugar-coated comments over meaningful critiques. praise is a wonderful ego boost but not always helpful. sometimes the truth is harsh and a bitter pill to swallow. i see absolutely no reason why the truth should have to be rude or disrespectful.
comments should inform, not inflame. |
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06/22/2004 06:02:06 PM · #195 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
(I consider Konador one of the most talented photographers here, and that freak of nature is only 17).
BTW– I tend to mark nearly all comments as helpful, regardless of whether or not they offer a suggestion for improvement. Even a "great shot" or "this sucks" helps me to understand the popularity of my concepts and techniques. |
No kidding! What excuse can ever hold up in light of what he has accomplished?
Glad to know someone else does, too.
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 18:02:48.
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06/22/2004 06:02:34 PM · #196 |
OH my goodness Alecia, Kylie is right..you have an AWESOME portfolio!! You have some beautiful work...I'm going to have to save your work in my favorites. :)
Bethany
//www.sketchesbybethany.net |
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06/22/2004 06:05:36 PM · #197 |
Originally posted by Alecia:
...i think we would do well to remember that art is soooooo subjective... |
This appears to be a frequently voiced but rarely questioned statement.
I wonder how advantageous it is to so easily dismiss any possibility of art having any universal properties, any communicable reality, not to mention tangible and measurable elements.
One of the origins of the store of known visual art are drawings found in caves in the South of France (just to give an example). I'm quite certain that anyone would be hard-pressed to find anything subjective about them. What we should do well to remember instead, IMO, is what aspects and properties of art are there for anyone to perceive and enjoy, not the (sch)-isms that prevent us from seeing a thing for what it is.
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06/22/2004 07:02:51 PM · #198 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
I am ticked pink to see over 144+ replies and 3,336+ views in less than 12 hours of my post. Shows people are reading and thinking. |
That or you have just provoked everyone with your poor people skills.
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
However, the "Gotta enter every challenge even if my picture is poop" mentality still thrives here - especially after reading replies from people that seem to feel the #of Challenges = How good you are. Hint: When you surf my full name on the internet - you find my photos! Hmmm..... what do I find when I surf your name? |
Almost anyone with internet access and a PBase account can post photos on the net and put their name with them.
Any positive perception I might have had of your work is now poisoned by the toxic way you present yourself here through your comments and in this thread.
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
To appease the nah sayers - I will load a few other pictures of mine to this web site........ check out my various portfolios in a few days. |
I'm sure your work is lovely to look at. See my comment above.
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
For those of you who want to know how good my picture in this challenge is - and it's doing quite nice, thank-you...... Why does it's place or number matter? That I learned a new technique, posted a how to do it, and spent three days giving it my best shot is enough. Where was your effort? |
Good for you! Hope you get a Blue ribbon.
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
In the future - if you want to avoid sarcastic comments from me - don't waste my time voting on your poorly composed material. And considering some of the poor excuses for a submission I've been forced to view the past two days - I have been *very* tactful - you have no idea what I really wanted to write. Seems very lucky for many of you I don't enter every challenge, and, I only vote or comment on challenges I have personally accomplished...... I'm in the same boat as you. I just know how to sail better. |
You certainly don't have to vote and no one FORCES you to look at any of the submissions in any challenge. There is just is no excuse for being rude.
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06/22/2004 07:09:39 PM · #199 |
spydr,
Give it up. No matter how many emails you send me or posts you make I stand by my comment. You could have walked into a park and taken a picture of the grass carpet - then desaturated all but one blade - and that pic would still be 1,000% better than your submission.
A picture is worth a thousand words. If you have to explain or defend your picture, it isn't much of one, is it?
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06/22/2004 07:14:13 PM · #200 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I'm quite certain that anyone would be hard-pressed to find anything subjective about them. What we should do well to remember instead, IMO, is what aspects and properties of art are there for anyone to perceive and enjoy, not the (sch)-isms that prevent us from seeing a thing for what it is. |
Visual appeal is always subjective no matter what. Visual appeal is also one of the primary aspects of any form of visual art.
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