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06/22/2004 06:50:11 AM · #26 |
This guy seems to get off by putting others down, my brother got one of his 'what were you thinking comments' on his photos and it really deprepressed him, we are both on this site to learn and have fun, this type of negative attack is just senseless. I like constructive critisism, but degrading and bitter comments have no place in my mind. Life is too short to act angry all of the time, you are hurting a lot of people with your harsh words. Just my two cents.
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06/22/2004 06:56:08 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
In order someone to teach me how to cook ,I want to try their pie first ! |
A friend of mine once told me:
You don't need to have written a book to write a book review.
If I can see a photo, I can appreciate it, even if I can't create it myself. |
Yes, you don't have to be a filmmaker to form an opinion about a film. But once you start talking about your 30+ years as a filmmaker and slag everyone else off - that's a different story. |
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06/22/2004 07:14:41 AM · #28 |
The rudeness of this thread [and your comments, for that matter] is appalling! More and more lately I'm seeing people being horribly rude for no apparent reason, and it's really beginning to get on my nerves. Criticism is great when it's constructive, but the majority of what you're doing here is arrogant, tactless bashing. "What were you thinking???" and the like is far from necessary. If you think something lacks creativity or beauty, then say so. If the technique is bad, say so. It is that simple; there is no reason to sit there and point fingers like a snotty child. I will never understand those who feel a need to mock people, or the art of others. It takes courage to put your art out there, to open yourself to criticism; many of the people, if not all of us, put a lot of thought and feeling into our photography - just because you think it looks half-hearted or pathetic doesn't mean it was lacking meaning to whomever created it. If you don't get it, fine. Say you don't get it. Is it necessary to berate those who do?! I can't believe the utter lack of manners people are displaying here, where we're all supposed to be supporting and helping one another as a community, despite our wide range of experience levels.
Is humanity completely losing its sense of decency? Or is it just this site? I don't care if my scores go down the toilet, but if I want to be bullied and watch other people be bullied, I'll go back to grade school.
This is supposed to be fun. When someone acts like you are, it's not. |
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06/22/2004 07:21:30 AM · #29 |
Well I say again, his comment on my photo was constructive, here it is with a lot of *** otherwise it will reveil my picture:
Too many *******, and, too many ***** for this challenge. You would have been better off just having *******, or, just ******** in color.
I think that that helped, so it's not all bad... |
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06/22/2004 07:53:57 AM · #30 |
I was lucky enough to recieve one of Glacierwolf´s famous comments!
I have to say though it didnt offer any help at all...
I also look very much forward to seeing his entry, it just has to get a blue one:D
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06/22/2004 07:57:51 AM · #31 |
| I also got one of his comments. His rsponse above is much to the point and he is right I probably didn't take the time necessary to get it right. I should have better researched the concept. In my defense this is not the only thing I do in life and it is supposed to be fun and educational not a humiliating experience. Maybe he should keep that in mind next time and use less "duh" and more " I would have..." |
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06/22/2004 07:58:23 AM · #32 |
Look at this thread
I would ignore his comment and "opinions" since it not a first time he is traying to show his superiority.
And it is "brave" of him to erase what he was saying after he started big "old great man" talk.
I was also one of the blessed one who received his comment "what were you thinking?'
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06/22/2004 08:04:45 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
• Selecting a picture with a major white subject – a duck, a swan, foam, or clouds that get’s de saturated still leaves you with a white duck, a white swan, white foam and white clouds. There is no gain and the desaturation effect is null and hard to notice. What were you thinking?????
• Selecting a picture where nobody but you knows the color of the item getting de saturated is pretty useless – duh! What were you thinking!!!
Glacierwolf |
i don't see why the actual colors now turned into black and white matter. it's all about isolating a subject through the use of color contrast. if you have a color subject on something that is originally white, you are using the principle behind the technique before editing. the only thing that wouldn't make sense is white on white or black on black. |
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06/22/2004 08:17:09 AM · #34 |
I find it interesting that the other thread that Glacierwolf posted in have been deleted by author.
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 08:17:37.
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06/22/2004 08:20:06 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by indianzfan:
I find it interesting that the other thread that Glacierwolf posted in have been deleted by author. |
Yeah it takes a big man too stand by your words like that ;)
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06/22/2004 08:32:24 AM · #36 |
Kevin - constructive criticism is welcomed, putting people down is not, you are old enough to know the difference.
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06/22/2004 08:32:54 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by agrimace:
....In my defense this is not the only thing I do in life and it is supposed to be fun and educational not a humiliating experience. Maybe he should keep that in mind next time and use less "duh" and more " I would have..." |
Agrimace. you might consider heeding your own words next time you are leaving comments. The comment you left on my Choices entry was rather flip, pointless, and unhelpful, "Eat or go to heaven?" These kinds of comments are very irritating and do nothing to enlighten the photographer.
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06/22/2004 08:34:00 AM · #38 |
There is a lot of useful advice in the opening post in this thread. Shame that most of the replies are along the lines of 'people come here to learn' or 'I bet his picture sucks' yet ignore the fact that this is just the sort of thing that could be a valuable lesson...
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06/22/2004 08:35:56 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by melismatica:
Originally posted by agrimace:
....In my defense this is not the only thing I do in life and it is supposed to be fun and educational not a humiliating experience. Maybe he should keep that in mind next time and use less "duh" and more " I would have..." |
Agrimace. you might consider heeding your own words next time you are leaving comments. The comment you left on my Choices entry was rather flip, pointless, and unhelpful, "Eat or go to heaven?" These kinds of comments are very irritating and do nothing to enlighten the photographer. |
I cant find a "Choices" entry in your portfolio!
was it DQ´d?
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06/22/2004 08:36:48 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Nazgul:
I cant find a "Choices" entry in your portfolio!
was it DQ´d? |
still being voted on...
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06/22/2004 08:39:13 AM · #41 |
Glacierwolf, I, for one, appreciate your post. You have made many valid and great suggestions that apply to photography in general.
You have an opinion and are willing to post it for discussion, which is a good thing for learning.
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06/22/2004 08:39:22 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
There is a lot of useful advice in the opening post in this thread. Shame that most of the replies are along the lines of 'people come here to learn' or 'I bet his picture sucks' yet ignore the fact that this is just the sort of thing that could be a valuable lesson... |
There might be bits and pieces that are useful in his post but the arrogance is a bit too much for people to make use of it!
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06/22/2004 08:49:30 AM · #43 |
Well I hope glacierwolf places first place in this desat challenge, he must, since the rest of us don't know what we were thinking.
James
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06/22/2004 08:54:05 AM · #44 |
| Here's how I see it. I joined to have fun and learn. It would take allot more than a bad comment to tick me off. I just laugh it off and go on. |
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06/22/2004 08:56:59 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Philos31:
Well I say again, his comment on my photo was constructive, here it is with a lot of *** otherwise it will reveil my picture:
Too many *******, and, too many ***** for this challenge. You would have been better off just having *******, or, just ******** in color.
I think that that helped, so it's not all bad... |
I have the same experience. (i got the comment much earlier, but never recognized it being from the what-where-you-thinking-dude). Actually the comment is quite nice helpful and not rude at all. So Kevin you CAN be polite :).
I think there is a lot of truth in what Kevin writes in his opening statement, but the arrogant tone is defenitely disturbing. I don't think anyone has the right to insult people the way Kevin does in some of his comments. Change your tone, but keep the message. That would make a lot of people not only grateful, but better photographers as well. Nothing wrong with being straight and honest and you can't avoid hurting people when you speak out, but adding another spoonful of harshness for the sake of it won't make your point stronger.
C'est le ton qui fait la musique
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06/22/2004 08:57:53 AM · #46 |
It is exactly this type of reaction that prevents people (including myself) from commenting. These days, everybody (and not just on DPC, the world in general) wants things all "sugar coated" and "nice" instead of "hard" and "direct". Trust me, there would be a lot more people leaving comments much more harsh than those left by GlacierWolf if anonymous commenting was an option. I think he makes some good points in his post, and I give him credit for having the gumption to make comments, knowing that his name would be displayed right along with them so he could be bashed in the forums (which of course, he was).
Anybody remember dertyklobb? He commented on 100's of pictures in the Still Life challenge and made a lot of very valid points. But he was attacked in the forums and called an "idiot" (and a dumbass). He hasn't been back since.
It is unfortunate that people can't deal with criticism, whether it is "harshly worded" or not. Maybe we should rename the site to "FGChallenge" (FG for "Feel Good") so everybody knows to only leave "wow! great shot" type comments...
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 09:02:06. |
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06/22/2004 09:03:23 AM · #47 |
Well Eddy its quite possible to leave comments on what could be done better without putting yourself on a high horse at the same time!
Comments like "what where you thinking" dont have any meaning what so ever to peoples photography!
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06/22/2004 09:07:00 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Nazgul:
I cant find a "Choices" entry in your portfolio!
was it DQ´d? |
still being voted on... |
Sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned it during the voting (although I think the comment is so obscure it doesn't reveal much). I'm a bit edgy after having a very sleepless night and I always laugh when I see the pot calling the kettle black.
I think glacierwolf is being a bit overzealous but I hope he didn't realize when he started this thread just how arrogant and insulting his wording is. As someone who once had a lapse in judgement (on this forum--I've had plenty of lapsing in judgement in my lifetime ;-D) I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he just means to be helpful. He may want to consider that a quick study on the internet and some fiddling with PS at the onset of a challenge does not make him an authority on selective desaturation. It's a technique, not a movement, so let's lighten up.
That said, I voted on 79% of this challenge (which I did not manage to enter) and I can honestly affirm my dislike for this technique. I actually found myself feeling jumpy and anxious after looking at so many photos treated this way. I haven't finished voting but I have yet to give an image a higher vote than a 6, and those are few. I realize the the technique is the the point of the challenge so I tried to be as objective as possible. I approached it from the question, "Has selective desaturation improved or enhanced this photo in any way?" In almost every case my answer was,"No."
I think it is good that we had this challenge because it really makes the point that tricks like these should really be used in moderation.
Just to show I'm not totally biased, here are some examples in my favorites that I think work really well.
The first one (as far as I can tell) does not use the techniqe such as it's done in PS but it illustrates the effectiveness of a monochromatic image.
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06/22/2004 09:08:47 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Nazgul:
Comments like "what where you thinking" dont have any meaning what so ever to peoples photography! |
How is that comment any different from "nice shot", other than that the latter is a pat on the back that people have no problem with? That is basically my point. They only want "feel good" comments. If somebody were to leave even simple (but truthful, to them) comments like "unattractive subject", "bad composition", etc. they'd be ostracized in no time, just like dertyklobb was...
Message edited by author 2004-06-22 09:12:49. |
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06/22/2004 09:12:58 AM · #50 |
Well I agree that a comment like "Nice Shot" doesnt offer any help at all either but its not offensive like the other...
minimum respect for people and their effort to improve in their photography is not too much to ask for is it?
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