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07/01/2010 11:47:13 AM · #26 |
bla bla bla won't happen.
I've been waiting for one since March 2008. :( |
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07/01/2010 11:51:58 AM · #27 |
| Why this should not be a worthy exercise is beyond me. If you like, think of it as drawing with the other hand. |
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07/01/2010 11:52:57 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Jac:
bla bla bla won't happen.
I've been waiting for one since March 2008. :( |
Oh, Happy Canada Day to you too! |
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07/01/2010 12:02:21 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
I still like the idea of an unedited challenge as every other challenge we have here allows for some editing, regardless of how minimal, to be done to the shot and doesn't cause the photographer to rely even more on their photography skills. This would just be another type of exercise in skill, just not many are currently used to working with.
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I totally agree.
And to be honest, I wasn't really meaning to call you, the OP, or anybody in this thread, out specifically. I expressed the sentiment because many of the arguments surrounding a return to zero editing are produced by those who have no knowledge of the process (for whatever reason).
Also, your last point is exactly what I'm trying to get at... he two are so intermingled that you can't separate them. It's all about vision, combined with the application of tools. How do you know how to capture an image to reduce editing? By know what your end result is. How do you go about that? By properly applying your camera as a tool, to produce a given end. You don't have to go bonkers with editing, but understand that they inevitably meet.
And I really do understand how overwhelming all the stuff for photoshop can be and how aimless any experimentation can seem. I've been learning in a haphazard fashion for awhile now, learning only what I felt I needed to know to accomplish something as I went. I've submitted super lightly edited shots, and super heavily edited shots, but all of that knowledge was accrued because I had a specific direction I wanted to learn. Heck, screwing around doing  that let me learn a whole lot with zero pressure.
Honestly, I think it's detrimental for people to separate themselves from it in such a manner, and act as though it is so esoteric and impossible. It doesn't necessarily come easy, and it may be easier for some, but I think anybody has the potential to improve and grow. That's why I wanted to help out in the first place. And it isn't as though I'm some fantastic amazing photog, I expect to learn a lot myself from the questions and issues that will inevitably come up. |
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07/01/2010 12:50:22 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
And, as I learned the painful way, no amount of pp will improve a poor image. In fact it usually does just the opposite, and highlight its flaws! Most of my early stuff from 3-4 years ago will prove this. See my portfolio for proof!
IMHO the pp should only be used to enhance an already good image, and you certainly don't need to be a PS wizard to do well here.
Hope this helps, in the meantime just keep shooting. Concentrate on getting a really good image, and to paraphrase what someone else has already said, don't think about how you can fix stuff in pp. |
Boom boom boom. Right On:-) |
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07/01/2010 01:19:29 PM · #31 |
My highest placed photograph was with a "Minimal Editing" contest, I got 4th place :)
I am hoping for another one soon :) |
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07/01/2010 04:17:11 PM · #32 |
I didn't think I would get such a response to a suggested challenge. I am finding it very interesting hearing everyone's point of view, however I want to remind myself that I thought it would be an interesting challenge. With my limited expertise I could never say one is better than another.
I like what  bergiekat said, it is just an idea to excercise a different part of our skills. After all that is what a challenge should be.
I must first learn to find good pictures, then how to enhance them using camera or computer. |
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07/01/2010 04:47:26 PM · #33 |
Our basic editing rule set is pretty much anything you can do with film. Actually there is a lot of other things you can do with film that are not allowed in the basic editing rules. IMHO a strait from the camera challenge is not realistic. All the great photographers of the film days did lots of editing before the final print was produced. Like it or not part of photography is post processes. I think of the basic editing rules and being true to the old film days and advanced editing as the new digital age of photography.
You also don't need to be a photoshop wizard to do well on this site. My one ribbon winning photo had very minimal editing done to it (rotate and convert to B&W, which if I was shooting in film I would have chosen B&W film for the photograph). Currently my free study entry would fall under basic rules and is doing well at 6.4.
I also take photographs with the knowledge that I can fix it in photoshop. There are just times you can't get the shot the want because you don't have the right lens or there is something in the way that will take away from the photo. So should I just not take the photo, take it and live with what ever it is that I can't do anything about, take it knowing I can fix it in photoshop?
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07/01/2010 07:16:23 PM · #34 |
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07/01/2010 07:31:53 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Kobba:
Our basic editing rule set is pretty much anything you can do with film. Actually there is a lot of other things you can do with film that are not allowed in the basic editing rules. IMHO a strait from the camera challenge is not realistic. All the great photographers of the film days did lots of editing before the final print was produced. Like it or not part of photography is post processes. I think of the basic editing rules and being true to the old film days and advanced editing as the new digital age of photography. |
Whilst I am not in the camp of those enamored with the idea of a minimal editing challenge (I think to myself "What's the POINT? Really, what does that PROVE?"), I still feel compelled to point out the the proper film-photography analogue for minimal editing would be the once wildly popular color slide format... So there is some validity to this.
Not all photography, or even most of it, was done by darkroom wizards; just most of what we think of as art...
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07/04/2010 09:16:37 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Why this should not be a worthy exercise is beyond me. If you like, think of it as drawing with the other hand. |
I only just read this message, that sums up my point in one! Drawing with the other hand...love it. Something to challenge us further. |
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