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05/19/2010 06:28:32 PM · #1 |
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!?
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05/19/2010 06:34:46 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
yes, you're being interpretive and creative....you pagan ;) |
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05/19/2010 06:35:55 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
yes, you're being interpretive and creative....you pagan ;) |
Burn him!! |
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05/19/2010 06:36:42 PM · #4 |
It's always going to be subject to individual interpretation. General advice: If you want to score well, shoot for the broadest or most widely accepted interpretation.
Now if only I had followed my own advice. :( |
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05/19/2010 06:49:05 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
In general, most people would not consider something like motion blur to be "bokeh". Bokeh is blur that is mainly a product of aperture and DOF. I don't know which your image is, but I could see how that comment would be valid if you had a motion blur background.
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05/19/2010 06:50:27 PM · #6 |
| Made the same mistake myself AJ. I even went so far as to get the Wikipedia definition, but it wasn't until I saw my team-mates entries that the light bulb turned on. Mine was the only one that didn't have some type of colorful pattern that was created by the OOF area of the photo. Looking through all the entries, we're not the only two that "missed the boat". |
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05/19/2010 06:53:12 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by e10icus:
Made the same mistake myself AJ. I even went so far as to get the Wikipedia definition, but it wasn't until I saw my team-mates entries that the light bulb turned on. Mine was the only one that didn't have some type of colorful pattern that was created by the OOF area of the photo. Looking through all the entries, we're not the only two that "missed the boat". |
Yeah I missed it as well |
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05/19/2010 07:02:21 PM · #8 |
| At least you got a comment with content, I got an empty comment :( |
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05/19/2010 07:04:08 PM · #9 |
If you created the blur in post processing, it won't be as genuine as actual bokeh.
Not saying you did that... |
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05/19/2010 07:29:33 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
yes, you're being interpretive and creative....you pagan ;) |
Burn him!! |
It could also be 'her'?? ;-) |
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05/19/2010 07:33:12 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
I'm fairly sure you are referring to my comment.. And yes, it does look like either zoom blur or lensbaby blur... Not at all what I define bokeh - essentially bokeh is interpreted by me to imply the use of DOF to get blur,, aperture, focal distance, etc. Not motion or other types of blur.. |
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05/19/2010 07:35:26 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
In general, most people would not consider something like motion blur to be "bokeh". Bokeh is blur that is mainly a product of aperture and DOF. I don't know which your image is, but I could see how that comment would be valid if you had a motion blur background. |
However this is DPC and sometimes motion blur is good enough...
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05/19/2010 07:36:06 PM · #13 |
ETA: Never mind.
Message edited by author 2010-05-19 19:38:51. |
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05/19/2010 07:36:31 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by kleski:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
In general, most people would not consider something like motion blur to be "bokeh". Bokeh is blur that is mainly a product of aperture and DOF. I don't know which your image is, but I could see how that comment would be valid if you had a motion blur background. |
However this is DPC and sometimes motion blur is good enough...
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If I had voted that challenge, I would have nailed that photo too :) Probably a 4 or a 3, instead of the 2 the OP's shot got from me in this challenge. :)
Message edited by author 2010-05-19 20:02:55. |
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05/19/2010 07:42:19 PM · #15 |
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05/19/2010 07:56:15 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
And people wonder why folks don't give a lot of comments... |
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05/19/2010 08:00:37 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
And people wonder why folks don't give a lot of comments... |
Bah, I don't mind.. I'm glad he asked why I said that.. |
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05/19/2010 08:10:10 PM · #18 |
Yeah...I click the refresh for the comments, not the score.. :)
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
This was posted as a comment to my bokeh challenge entry, that's blurred to make a bokeh effect.
Comment: "that's not Bokeh, it's blur..."
the Defenition of Bokeh: "The area of an image that is blurred"
Am I doing something wrong!? |
And people wonder why folks don't give a lot of comments... |
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05/19/2010 10:06:07 PM · #19 |
It was synthetic blur, but it wasn't motion blur, it fit with the image, looked like other shot of my friends that are scoring fairly well. I can safely say that I'm not THAT selective when I'm voting. There is a point where you cross the line between constructive criticism and then just coming off as a jerk. He said nothing else, nothing about what I could do better, just that my photo wasn't blurred enough for his taste to fit into the category of "blur"
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05/19/2010 10:11:02 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
It was synthetic blur, but it wasn't motion blur, it fit with the image, looked like other shot of my friends that are scoring fairly well. I can safely say that I'm not THAT selective when I'm voting. There is a point where you cross the line between constructive criticism and then just coming off as a jerk. He said nothing else, nothing about what I could do better, just that my photo wasn't blurred enough for his taste to fit into the category of "blur" |
And you know what. That is his right. He can say whatever he chooses on your photo, as that is what HE see's in your photo. Maybe he IS that selective when he votes, that is his right., Calling someone a jerk is really rather childish.
Edited to add: I just saw some of your comments.
A tad grainy
Southpark
Not much in focus
That was just mean
that is a tight tree
This is weird... Just for that, 6/10
66
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so you can no way talk about comments you receive
Message edited by author 2010-05-19 22:15:34. |
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05/19/2010 10:20:11 PM · #21 |
I took the liberty of looking up your shot out of curiosity after reading this thread, and I have to say that the commenter was offering a very valid comment based on your image, and in no way was trying to be a jerk. As you are admitting, you processed the blur rather than shooting it that way, and frankly it's pretty obvious in the shot.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here myself by pointing this out... I'm just saying that the person who left the comment is making a valid comment about their perception of the shot, and to be perfectly honest, I would tend to agree with them. Most of us think of bokeh as being something that results from using a wide open aperture, and capturing an element in focus with the background being blurred by the lens, rather than being created artificially. Sometimes ya just gotta learn to accept a criticism :)
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
It was synthetic blur, but it wasn't motion blur, it fit with the image, looked like other shot of my friends that are scoring fairly well. I can safely say that I'm not THAT selective when I'm voting. There is a point where you cross the line between constructive criticism and then just coming off as a jerk. He said nothing else, nothing about what I could do better, just that my photo wasn't blurred enough for his taste to fit into the category of "blur" |
Message edited by author 2010-05-19 22:22:18. |
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05/19/2010 10:49:11 PM · #22 |
Everyone's right to say whatever. But not really good form to discuss comments on works currently being voted on. However, I find the justifications offered for dnmc here somewhat shortsighted(sic). Bokeh refers to any or all of the out of focus areas, fore or back or anywhereground - i.e. not to the ostensible subject - with the idea that it should be in some way pleasing. I don't think the term originated with a strict technical definition of how that area was arrived at. For me it is a subjective not technical call. In any case, my world is more pleasant for thinking so.
Message edited by author 2010-05-19 22:49:53. |
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05/19/2010 10:51:11 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Everyone's right to say whatever. |
Yup.
Originally posted by tnun:
However, I find the justifications offered for dnmc here somewhat shortsighted(sic). |
Yup... hmmm... |
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05/19/2010 11:14:03 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Originally posted by tnun:
Everyone's right to say whatever. |
Yup.
Originally posted by tnun:
However, I find the justifications offered for dnmc here somewhat shortsighted(sic). |
Yup... hmmm... |
That's [user]diplomatspatula[/user] |
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05/19/2010 11:28:04 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by ApertureJack:
It was synthetic blur, but it wasn't motion blur, it fit with the image, looked like other shot of my friends that are scoring fairly well. I can safely say that I'm not THAT selective when I'm voting. There is a point where you cross the line between constructive criticism and then just coming off as a jerk. He said nothing else, nothing about what I could do better, just that my photo wasn't blurred enough for his taste to fit into the category of "blur" |
Since I'm a jerk.. I'll do you one better.
The artificial blur is poorly done, I think you might have used a selection (qualifying you for a potential DQ, although I chose not to report that part), and to top that off, the reason that you received a 2 instead of a 4 or 5 is that your image is simply a poor image, and is probably one of the most unattractive images in the entire challenge.
There.. Now you have a more thorough comment.. But I'll bet you think I'm even more of a jerk now, yet everything I just said, I believe to be accurate. I was trying to be nice with my original comment, clearly you wanted a bit more.
You see, look above I even defended your right to ask for clarification, as I don't mind that at all.. However, calling me a jerk for explaining my thoughts about your image?? Maybe you would be happier posting your images to Facebook, there's plenty of people there that will tell you just how clever you are, and how pretty your photos look.
Cheers mate, oh, and next time I would strongly suggest PM'ing me before starting a thread bitching about my comment.
Message edited by author 2010-05-20 00:49:01. |
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