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06/16/2004 02:15:53 PM · #1 |
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06/16/2004 02:51:20 PM · #2 |
that's really somthing. Over all though, the kid is probably having a much better time as a result of Starr being such a jerk.
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06/16/2004 02:56:06 PM · #3 |
I was quite surprised at the father's ability to remain composed during the situation...the mother actually smacked the guy with her program as he turned around to sit down, but the dad hardly said a word. I'm not saying he should have done anything, mind you, but it was unusual and surprising that he was calm. I don't think my husband, who is a good person, would have been able to keep from wanting to knock the guy into the next section! LOL ;O)
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06/16/2004 02:56:55 PM · #4 |
if the kid was 14 it never would have been made into such a big deal... heck it probably would have made to Americas funniest videos or something.
last I remembered it was a total free for all, every man for him self, and a show no mercy kinda thing when it comes to a foul ball.
But then again its been YEARS since I watched a pro ball game, have the rules on obtaining a foul ball been changed???
James
Message edited by author 2004-06-16 14:59:03.
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06/16/2004 03:02:04 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by jab119:
if the kid was 14 it never would have been made into such a big deal...
last i remembered it was a total free for all, every man for him self, and a show no mercy kinda thing when it comes to a foul ball.
But then again its been YEARS since I watched a pro ball game, have the rules on obtaining a foul ball been changed???
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I agree that if the child were older it wouldn't have the emotional impact this did. And yes, at times it's a free-for-all for the fouls. I don't know if you saw the video of it or not, but we were watching the game and saw the ball land right at the mother's feet. She and the dad were bending over to pick it up and the guy came over on top of them from the row or two above them. He actually took the ball out of the dad's hand, after nearly toppling the kid. It was pretty stupid, if you ask me. The guy, an alleged church youth minister, should have known better. Sometimes you fight the battle, sometimes you don't. The kid, of course, is too little to even understand what's going on and why he's gotten some pretty cool baseball stuff. I wonder how long it will be before we hear from the "jerk" himself! :O)
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06/16/2004 03:03:44 PM · #6 |
It is every MAN for himself but we're talking about a 4 year old boy that probably has no idea what the hell a foul ball is. I'm not saying the guy should've given the kid the ball but he should've at least apologized. Matt Starr is a jerk.
Originally posted by jab119:
if the kid was 14 it never would have been made into such a big deal... heck it probably would have made to Americas funniest videos or something.
last I remembered it was a total free for all, every man for him self, and a show no mercy kinda thing when it comes to a foul ball.
But then again its been YEARS since I watched a pro ball game, have the rules on obtaining a foul ball been changed???
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06/16/2004 03:07:01 PM · #7 |
If that had been my boy, that guy would have never gotten up. At least not without help. I am a calm guy, but when it comes to my kids, you better not mess.
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06/16/2004 03:56:40 PM · #8 |
you guys are so crazy, when's the last time you went to a game and didn't see this type of thing happen 20 times during the game? it's part of going ot the game. the kid didn't even get hurt for cryin out loud
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06/16/2004 04:10:02 PM · #9 |
| Archiral, I'm not sure where you're watching your baseball games, but this guy's conduct is NOT typical. At least not here in Detroit. Matt Starr would have left Comerica Park in a stretcher had he tried that crap here. I once saw a guy booed out of the park for not giving his foul ball to the nearest kid (proper ballgame etiquette). And this was a ball that fell right in the guy's lap! |
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06/16/2004 04:11:24 PM · #10 |
I agree foul balls are pretty much fair game...but most fans would agree there is one thing you don't do...you don't push, shove, hit, jostle, or do anything else to a kid just for a ball.
Average lifespan of a major league baseball is ONLY 8 pitches. Average lifespan of some jerk at a baseball game who knocks down a 4 year old is about 5 minutes if he doesn't then give the child the ball.
Keeping in mind that a major league baseball lives for about 8 pitches, that means there is a minimum of about 36 balls used in the average 9 inning game. Had he been a real man about it and handed over that ball to the little boy, one of those other 36 balls would have found there way into his hands before leaving the stadium. I've seen it happen over and over. I've even seen adults end up with autographed bats for showing good sportsmanship towards little kids caught in a foul ball scramble.
I really applaud both parents for not beating the you know what out of him cause I wouldn't have simply exchanged a few words if that would have been my little boy...Security would have had to be called just to shut me up cause I wouldn't have stopped til the man either left or surrendered the ball.
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06/16/2004 04:13:54 PM · #11 |
From what I've read the guy knocked the kid to the ground or something, and for that it seems a little excessive etc. But a lot of people seem to be saying that he should have given the kid the ball just because he's a 4 year old kid. Call me heartless, but a 24 yr old or even a 44 yr old has as much right to the ball as a 4 year old. The only thing I could tell that was wrong was the way he got it in the first place.
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06/16/2004 04:19:23 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by moodville:
From what I've read the guy knocked the kid to the ground or something, and for that it seems a little excessive etc. But a lot of people seem to be saying that he should have given the kid the ball just because he's a 4 year old kid. Call me heartless, but a 24 yr old or even a 44 yr old has as much right to the ball as a 4 year old. The only thing I could tell that was wrong was the way he got it in the first place. |
It's called sportmanship...something he lacked by knocking down the kid and then not doing something to compensate for it. Even something as simple as standing there and fussing over a small child and making sure he was ok would have made the situation a whole lot better.
Can you say you wouldn't have at the very least gotten the child a popcorn or sno cone? The press, the fans, everyone would have just left it drop if the guy had showed some remorse or some kind of compassion toward the child.
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06/16/2004 04:31:19 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
It's called sportmanship...something he lacked by knocking down the kid and then not doing something to compensate for it. Even something as simple as standing there and fussing over a small child and making sure he was ok would have made the situation a whole lot better.
Can you say you wouldn't have at the very least gotten the child a popcorn or sno cone? The press, the fans, everyone would have just left it drop if the guy had showed some remorse or some kind of compassion toward the child. |
I was not disagreeing that his handling of the situation was wrong. I was merely disagreeing with what seems to be a very common attitude that it is expected of people to hand over foul balls to the nearest kid.
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06/16/2004 04:35:36 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Originally posted by moodville:
From what I've read the guy knocked the kid to the ground or something, and for that it seems a little excessive etc. But a lot of people seem to be saying that he should have given the kid the ball just because he's a 4 year old kid. Call me heartless, but a 24 yr old or even a 44 yr old has as much right to the ball as a 4 year old. The only thing I could tell that was wrong was the way he got it in the first place. |
It's called sportmanship...something he lacked by knocking down the kid and then not doing something to compensate for it. Even something as simple as standing there and fussing over a small child and making sure he was ok would have made the situation a whole lot better.
Can you say you wouldn't have at the very least gotten the child a popcorn or sno cone? The press, the fans, everyone would have just left it drop if the guy had showed some remorse or some kind of compassion toward the child. |
UMMM if the guy had caught the ball without clobbering the kid, he could do what he wants with it.
If he clobbered my kid to catch it, he would still probably get the ball, he'd just have to visit the doctor to have it removed from an orifice before he could admire it.
Let's face it, Matt Starr is a jerk.
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06/16/2004 04:54:11 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If he clobbered my kid to catch it, he would still probably get the ball, he'd just have to visit the doctor to have it removed from an orifice before he could admire it.
Let's face it, Matt Starr is a jerk. |
LOL so nicely said!!! I was trying to be polite but I agree!!!
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06/16/2004 04:59:39 PM · #16 |
"Meanwhile, the Rangers and the St. Louis Cardinals quickly made sure Nick got souvenirs of his own - two bats and four baseballs, including one signed by Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan, a former Ranger."
Matt Starr might be considered a jerk, but if it wasn't for this jerk that boy would only have some lousy $5 baseball. Now he has a ball signed by one of the best pitchers ever and pretty good story behind it.
Anyone else found it funny that Matt Starr is a former youth minister?
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06/16/2004 05:07:16 PM · #17 |
| i've experienced the same sort of behaviour at Mardi Gras parades. at one parade, a man knocked down kids, knocked down an elderly lady using a walker...all for a strand of cheap, plastic beads. he dove into the crowd one time too many, though, and i saw his car keys fall out of his pocket. they accidentally got kicked into the nearest storm drain. ooops! |
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06/16/2004 05:32:35 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
i've experienced the same sort of behaviour at Mardi Gras parades. at one parade, a man knocked down kids, knocked down an elderly lady using a walker...all for a strand of cheap, plastic beads. he dove into the crowd one time too many, though, and i saw his car keys fall out of his pocket. they accidentally got kicked into the nearest storm drain. ooops! |
that's what you call justice!
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06/16/2004 05:53:08 PM · #19 |
| Oh my god! What an a-hole! It's a stupid foul ball from a baseball game. I mean who's going to appreciate that more- a stupid 28 year old or a cute little 4 year old- that little kid should get to beat that guy with the bat :D |
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06/16/2004 05:59:48 PM · #20 |
it sounds like no one in this thread has even seen the video...nothing happened to the kid at all...the guy went tumbling over the seats and the back of his calf brushed against the boy's head and caused the kid to lean forward a few feet...this is just complete sensationalism by the media. reminds me of that one summer that sharks were eating everyone that went to a beach in florida when in fact the shark incidents weren't any more than a usual year. get a grip people
lockjaw, you say that you've never seen this type of thing happen in detroit yet you guarantee that the fans there would make that guy leave on a stretcher for "stealing" a foul ball from a boy. which is worse? is this some problem about detroit i didn't know about?
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06/16/2004 07:28:26 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by achiral:
it sounds like no one in this thread has even seen the video |
I saw the video. I would've made sure he stayed down. What a jerk.
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06/16/2004 07:31:59 PM · #22 |
@Achiral - I saw the video. It wasn't his getting the ball or even really knocking into the kid that *I* found offensive. His gloating that he took it from a 4 year old, that he loved the attention he was getting and wanted more, and that TYPICAL baseball park etiqutte IS to give a foul ball to a kid nearby. That may not be a great etiquette rule or it may be the best ever, but it happens QUITE often, especially if the catch is recorded on the big screen.
I wish I hadn't learned this guy's name though. Why do I care? He IS a jerk. Someone I don't really care to ever hear about again.
M
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06/16/2004 07:33:00 PM · #23 |
And we wonder why there is so much violence in the world. The actions of parents are at least one thing where kids learn it from. It's wrong of him to be overly excessive in his eagerness to get a foul ball, but it's perfectly fine to beat a person to a pulp.
Message edited by author 2004-06-16 19:34:03.
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06/16/2004 07:35:29 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by achiral:
it sounds like no one in this thread has even seen the video...nothing happened to the kid at all...the guy went tumbling over the seats and the back of his calf brushed against the boy's head and caused the kid to lean forward a few feet...this is just complete sensationalism by the media. reminds me of that one summer that sharks were eating everyone that went to a beach in florida when in fact the shark incidents weren't any more than a usual year. get a grip people
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[laurie climbs back up on soap box because children are involved]
The fact that the child was uninjured does not excuse this jerk's deplorable behavior...he took a ball from a baby (his father, actually) and kept it like an ass (pardon my language!). This does, in fact, make him a jerk...case closed.
[climbs back down off of box, washes mouth out with soap]
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06/16/2004 07:35:53 PM · #25 |
Yes I have seen the video and yes I still think that Matt Starr is a jerk. Like I said before the rules of the foul ball are every man for himself. He got the ball but a simple apology to the kid and his parents wouldn't have killed him. And so what if the media wants to highlight baseball players and teams doing something nice for a little kid. It shows that not all pro atheletes are jerks and criminals.
Originally posted by achiral:
it sounds like no one in this thread has even seen the video...nothing happened to the kid at all...the guy went tumbling over the seats and the back of his calf brushed against the boy's head and caused the kid to lean forward a few feet...this is just complete sensationalism by the media. reminds me of that one summer that sharks were eating everyone that went to a beach in florida when in fact the shark incidents weren't any more than a usual year. get a grip people
lockjaw, you say that you've never seen this type of thing happen in detroit yet you guarantee that the fans there would make that guy leave on a stretcher for "stealing" a foul ball from a boy. which is worse? is this some problem about detroit i didn't know about? |
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