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06/16/2004 02:41:19 AM · #1
I'm genuinely puzzled that so many people must (judging by my commenters) have not seen that this is guy is simply waiting for gravity. Is it really so tough to figure out or is it that everyone really just wants to see identical shots on the winners podium? Oh - just noticed they got what they wanted. ; )

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06/16/2004 02:46:18 AM · #2
Originally posted by Imagineer:

waiting for gravity.
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i didnt vote, but by looking at the photo, its not obvious that hes "waiting for gravity". you cant expect everyone to see it the way you see it. its a little far from waiting...
06/16/2004 02:49:12 AM · #3
this is a great shot, but for me it is not so obvious that he's "waiting for gravity" either. sorry, but do not worry cause it is still a great shot
06/16/2004 02:52:19 AM · #4
Then what else is he doing?! ;D
06/16/2004 02:59:22 AM · #5
You don't have to "wait for gravity". It's there all the time. I felt it was a streach of the challenge and although a great capture, not really a challenge to your photography skills.
The colors seem slightly off, contrast is a little high and the background is distracting.

I really don't want to sound like a jerk, I hope you take this as constructive criticism! I assume that why you started this thread!

Good Luck in the future and I hope my comments help!
06/16/2004 03:10:46 AM · #6
The picture have 2 second to impress me and to explain the challenge... maybe you picture take a minute to get to his full potential... too bad... too long for me...

BTW, even if the picture that win the challenge is almost identical (1 and 3)... most of the time it meet my 2 sec. rule... and...

I often said, if a picture worth a thousan words, why you have to sais anything more to explain it... even the title is too much sometime...

I give you 2.... 1 more that a picture that does not meat the challenge because i like the color tretement...

hope it bring light to you questions...
06/16/2004 03:16:24 AM · #7
I really like this shot. I didn't vote, but I doubt I'd have had any problems seeing how it met the challenge. (1) He's obviously at the top of the jump and the motion is perfectly frozen, (2) He's looking down in anticipation. I also really like the colourisation.
06/16/2004 05:04:52 AM · #8
Subtle, humor, imagination and different ideas are things that do not always score high on this site.
06/16/2004 05:21:04 AM · #9
MotoCycleBoi - I'm all too familiar with that scenario, but it doesn't stop me from producing work that I enjoy. It seems that we really have to spoon-feed voters these days.
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aaronb532 - your point is moot really. Of course gravity is always there. So is time, which is what the vast majority of shots in this challenge are dependent on. In my view 'Waiting' is about anticipation of something to come, so why not coming down from a jump? Is it really that hard to make the connection. I'm genuinely amazed!!

BTW, contrast is deliberately high and colours are adjusted to enhance urban context. Such subtlety may be lost on those who require photogrpahy-by-numbers however.
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Menardmam - while I think you may be 'honestly arrogant' I think it has clouded your vision somewhat.

This is from your profile:
My rating rules

1: if the picture is ugly, does not meet the challenge to me, or just tired to see the same shit again and again.... have original idea guys !

3: if the picture size, quality is below average, hey you have 640 pixel and 150k... use it !... and no noise is supposed to be present in goo picture... noise sucks !

5: Just to meet the challenge, and have ok picture

7: if the idea is great, orininal, and cautch my attention

9: if it add the wow factor, light is a big WOW factor !, point of view is the other

10 for the exeptional one...

Picture from 7 to 10 is review a second time, and reorder properly with taking care of the top contender.

Maybe it is not fair... but look ok to me... :-)


I think you have contradicted your own system in point 1 when voting for my image. You instruct to have an original idea, yet you do not give the time to consider it - 2 seconds. I wonder how many details you miss in the photographer's art.

You also mention that a good picture should have no noise. I assume this may rule out grain in your mind, since 2 secconds would not allow your brain to register whether it's grain (intentional) or noise from poor settings in camera. I'd be interested in knowing your rating of the top shots.
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Thanks for the taking time to discuss this, and for the comments.
06/16/2004 05:47:35 AM · #10
Well i think that is one of the better shots in the challenge. a 10 from me
06/16/2004 06:03:27 AM · #11
I gave a 5. Why? I actually grabbed what you meant in Waiting, but, I didn't feel the color choice was a good one. Here's my explanation
06/16/2004 06:18:42 AM · #12
sorry but I don't think that an action shot no matter where it is frozen conveys waiting
if you had photographed him standing beside the ramp while someone was sweeeping it clean it would have scored higher (but not been as interesting)
I gave it a 4 as a good photo that dose not meet challenge
06/16/2004 06:46:38 AM · #13
Originally posted by 1st-2-click:

sorry but I don't think that an action shot no matter where it is frozen conveys waiting

I disagree. Without getting really fickle about this - we perceive time sometimes indiscernibly, particularly when doing things 'quickly'. Yet when we move extremely fast when adrenaline kicks in during sport or stressful moments, time seems to slow down (a bit like a fly, which sees our actions as if in slow motion).

I remember from my own experience that when performing a jump snowboarding or skating, etc. the feeling of suspension is much longer than expected and one is always conscious of every moment. I tried to capture this within this shot. Try doing a somersault on a trampoline and you'll see what I mean.
06/16/2004 06:55:33 AM · #14
Originally posted by menardmam:

The picture have 2 second to impress me and to explain the challenge... maybe you picture take a minute to get to his full potential... too bad... too long for me...

BTW, even if the picture that win the challenge is almost identical (1 and 3)... most of the time it meet my 2 sec. rule... and...

I often said, if a picture worth a thousan words, why you have to sais anything more to explain it... even the title is too much sometime...

I give you 2.... 1 more that a picture that does not meat the challenge because i like the color tretement...

hope it bring light to you questions...


2 seconds? eech.. Sorry, but thats like running full speed through an art gallery. Granted all photo's here aren't art gallery material, but I think you should at least give them benefit of the doubt.

I like to carefully look at each one, the same as I would expect other people to do to mine.
06/16/2004 07:09:22 AM · #15
I am becomming increasingly aware that this site is now more about meeting the challenge in a basic or obvious way rather than just decent photography.

Not a bad thing, not a good thing.

John, your image is great and as I said I would have given it a ten straight away.

But if I was designing something for a client and they asked for a picture of waiting, and I popped off to corbis et al and typed in waiting, i would be supprised that yours came up (and many of mine it must be said)

That is how I judge my own shots in relation to the challenge, although i often just submit something nice that isn't obvious and watch it rank lower and lower as people don't get it, or it's not obvious to them.

06/16/2004 07:14:07 AM · #16
Jon, I've got your back! What a great shot. The colour treatment is straight out of a 'yoof' magazine or a 'yoof' tv show ... superb. Sorry I didn't vote :-/

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mention waiting for time - I would guess that a lot of voters were restricting their interpretation to this one possibility ... their loss.

Don't stress too much, enjoy the discussion you sparked and come back with something just as good next time : )

Message edited by author 2004-06-16 07:24:58.
06/16/2004 07:16:45 AM · #17
great shot- but did anyone notice that the first place and third place winners are essentially the same shot?
06/16/2004 07:23:32 AM · #18
Why it is so dramatic anyway...? Sorry to be rude but we read this all the time; good photos did not perform as well they deserved, good ideas aren't well understood, etc. I'm a little tired to see many people who want explanations... You have reasons to ask but why not think "The challenge is over, let concentrate effort about the next one besides spending energy with arguments with others... It's my own point of view.

However, for your information, I like a lot your photo and i gave you a 7. Enjoy people who like your work and forget others...Have a nice day!
06/16/2004 07:39:40 AM · #19
Originally posted by belette:

Sorry to be rude but we read this all the time; good photos did not perform as well they deserved, good ideas aren't well understood, etc. I'm a little tired to see many people who want explanations...

I never get bored of having an enquiring mind! The after-match analysis is part of the fun isn't it? Thanks anyway. ; )
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Thanks Bod! Don't worry, not stressed at all. Just bemused (as usual!).
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Thanks Jon - and you're quite right - sound reasoning too. However, personally I'm not content to turn out something simply to win more votes (although I'd love to win with a shot that has no compromises). Thus I see DPC as a way of challenging others' perceptions at times - just as long as I know my shot is appealing to me, authentic and with purpose.
06/16/2004 08:06:41 AM · #20
bro, fwiw, i get it and it's an awesome shot. what can i say?

Originally posted by Imagineer:

Then what else is he doing?! ;D

06/16/2004 09:14:55 AM · #21
From another forum thread:

The way you're all thinking is like this...
Everything in the universe has to change at some point or another... nothing stays static. Therefore, ANYTHING can be said to be 'waiting' for itself to change in some way, as is inevitable in this world.
This is not creative thinking, this is cheating!
The challenge says to 'convey the feeling of waiting for something'.
To creatively meet the challenge, you have to create this FEELING, not the concept!
I think that waiting is what happens when you take yourself out of the present moment which is endless and project your thoughts into the future, because you don't want to experience the present.

Just my thoughts... [/quote]
06/16/2004 09:19:00 AM · #22
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

To creatively meet the challenge, you have to create this FEELING, not the concept!

For me, the pregnant pause as this guy waits for the drop is quite tangible.
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Thanks Mag.
06/16/2004 09:19:23 AM · #23
Originally posted by Imagineer:

Originally posted by 1st-2-click:

sorry but I don't think that an action shot no matter where it is frozen conveys waiting

I disagree. Without getting really fickle about this - we perceive time sometimes indiscernibly, particularly when doing things 'quickly'. Yet when we move extremely fast when adrenaline kicks in during sport or stressful moments, time seems to slow down (a bit like a fly, which sees our actions as if in slow motion).

I remember from my own experience that when performing a jump snowboarding or skating, etc. the feeling of suspension is much longer than expected and one is always conscious of every moment. I tried to capture this within this shot. Try doing a somersault on a trampoline and you'll see what I mean.


That kind of feeling when time slows down when in the middle of something absorbing, for example when performing a physical action that requires split-second timing, does not involve any level of waiting IMO. I think most people would agree that your attention is absolutely in the present moment at that point in time, and therefore by definition not waiting for some future event to happen, just staying present in the moment.
06/16/2004 09:23:28 AM · #24
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

I think most people would agree that your attention is absolutely in the present moment at that point in time, and therefore by definition not waiting for some future event to happen, just staying present in the moment.

Are you really saying then that a photo capturing a moment in time conveys no future? Are you mad? : )

Dunno 'bout you, but at the peak of a turn from 6 feet up on roller blades gives me a feeling of anticipation - no matter how short the time span. Sounds like you're stuck in the past to me. ;D
06/16/2004 09:29:35 AM · #25
Originally posted by Imagineer:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

I think most people would agree that your attention is absolutely in the present moment at that point in time, and therefore by definition not waiting for some future event to happen, just staying present in the moment.

Are you really saying then that a photo capturing a moment in time conveys no future? Are you mad? : )

Dunno 'bout you, but at the peak of a turn from 6 feet up on roller blades gives me a feeling of anticipation - no matter how short the time span. Sounds like you're stuck in the past to me. ;D


Like I said earlier, waiting is when you move your attention out of the present moment, and project it into the future.
In your picture, the viewer may be expecting the rollerblader to fall back to earth, but the rollerblader's attention is not spent 'waiting' to fall, he is just absorbed in the moment. And even so, as a viewer I am not waiting for the rollerblader to fall, I am expecting it. A subtle point, but an important one to me.
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