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03/15/2010 03:44:47 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by De Sousa:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by senor_kasper:
Any of those 3 images would likely ribbon in a challenge at DPC (assuming they would fit the challenge and comply with the editing rules) |
They wouldn't, actually. They are Photoshop montages. They might be legal under our Expert rules, if they were comprised of images shot within the challenge dates :-)
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Yeh! Sure, It's time to have our Expert Challenges in a regular basics and let some great artists out there to join us. We all have a lot to win if we have more ways to express creativity. |
I completely agree. I think that DPC needs to host on its front page the best pics it can, and that invariably doesn't include basic rules challenges (no offence). Imagine if the front page was full of awesome stuff that happens when there's an expert challenge- people would stumble to the site, see it, be impressed and want to stick around as the material would be at a level they could aspire to. When they see generic shots in a rather silly challenge (Pencil?) I don't think it gives the best impression of what this site is capable of.
But I digress. Leibovitz rules. She can take my picture any time. |
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03/14/2010 09:27:45 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Tez:
Annie is awesome. Who cares if her stuff would be illegal on DPC? |
Well, *I* certainly don't care :-) I'm acutely aware that DPC is a mutant subspecies of the genus "photographia". Someone just brought it up, and nobody had happened to mention in this thread that the images are montages, so I did :-)
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03/14/2010 08:52:41 PM · #3 |
| The Disney pictures arnt bad? |
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03/14/2010 08:45:03 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by senor_kasper:
Any of those 3 images would likely ribbon in a challenge at DPC (assuming they would fit the challenge and comply with the editing rules) |
They wouldn't, actually. They are Photoshop montages. They might be legal under our Expert rules, if they were comprised of images shot within the challenge dates :-)
R. |
Yeh! Sure, It's time to have our Expert Challenges in a regular basics and let some great artists out there to join us. We all have a lot to win if we have more ways to express creativity. |
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03/14/2010 03:24:20 PM · #5 |
Annie is awesome. Who cares if her stuff would be illegal on DPC? She's one of the best living photographers with a body of work that eclipses practically everyones.
Have you seen her work for Rolling Stone? It rules! |
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03/14/2010 03:21:09 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by senor_kasper:
Any of those 3 images would likely ribbon in a challenge at DPC (assuming they would fit the challenge and comply with the editing rules) |
They wouldn't, actually. They are Photoshop montages. They might be legal under our Expert rules, if they were comprised of images shot within the challenge dates :-)
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03/14/2010 03:18:12 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
So, I take it this Liebovitz person is some kind of photographer? ;) |
You might say that... One of the most famous of the last third of the 20th century, actually...
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03/14/2010 03:12:20 PM · #8 |
| So, I take it this Liebovitz person is some kind of photographer? ;) |
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03/14/2010 02:47:25 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by senor_kasper:
Any of those 3 images would likely ribbon in a challenge at DPC |
Please don't tell me you went there...? |
OK, I won't tell you. |
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03/14/2010 02:01:38 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by senor_kasper:
Any of those 3 images would likely ribbon in a challenge at DPC |
Please don't tell me you went there...? |
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03/14/2010 01:55:24 PM · #11 |
Any of those 3 images would likely ribbon in a challenge at DPC (assuming they would fit the challenge and comply with the editing rules). I can hardly think of better promotional posters for those types of movies and theme parks. Clearly my photography ability and taste are not at the level of Pawdrix's but maybe some day I'll get there, then I will be able to understand his dislike for the fact that there is someone whose work accomplishes the objective, is in demand and gets paid very well even for less than perfect portraiture work.
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03/14/2010 01:50:11 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
...Disney and Dali worked together at some point in the 40s. Disney won't be making that mistake again. |
Ha! |
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03/14/2010 01:45:09 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Notice that the tea party picture is promoting the Disneyland teacup ride. |
Oh! Is that what it's doing?
I think they're a terrible set of images. Am I allowed to state that the expressions on almost all the models look completely silly to my eye...stiff...unconvincing? For the massive, massive, massive amount of money spent I think they could have done much better. Over Out Finito, Completo. |
see, you're confusing me. these images aren't even for the movie. they're for the theme parks.
but my point about faux-surrealism still stands. Disney and Dali worked together at some point in the 40s. Disney won't be making that mistake again. |
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03/14/2010 01:33:42 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Notice that the tea party picture is promoting the Disneyland teacup ride. |
Oh! Is that what it's doing?
I think they're a terrible set of images. Am I allowed to state that the expressions on almost all the models look completely silly to my eye...stiff...unconvincing? For the massive, massive, massive amount of money spent I think they could have done much better. Over Out Finito, Completo.
Message edited by author 2010-03-14 13:42:20. |
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03/14/2010 01:31:24 PM · #15 |
| Other than someone used a heavy hand with the Photoshop, I don't see anything wrong with those pictures. Beyonce looks how I probably looked last time I rode that evil tea-cup ride. Oliver Platt looks how he ALWAYS looks. Jennifer Lopez and Mark Anthony - well.... I'm sure they're solely responsible for how silly they look because NOBODY tells them what to do. Surely not some lowly photographer. *sniffs and acts haughty* |
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03/14/2010 01:22:35 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Notice that the tea party picture is promoting the Disneyland teacup ride. Get the picture yet? |
And there's the Pocahontas film, and the Aladdin film, and so forth. She did exactly what they wanted, and she did it for meny when she needed it badly. I have never understood why people slam her for this. Is there some point at which, once you've been accepted as an artist, that you're no longer allowed to do shoots for clients to their specifications for money? Not even obscene amounts of money?
Look, patronage has been a part of the arts forever, and it has been producing some crap work forever as well...
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03/14/2010 01:11:18 PM · #17 |
| Notice that the tea party picture is promoting the Disneyland teacup ride. Get the picture yet? |
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03/14/2010 01:10:00 PM · #18 |
| Each hollywood movie is its own multi-million dollar corporation. No artist has the last word, not Liebovitz, not Burton, not Depp. I don't know what you think the flaws are for those publicity pictures, but they are designed to convey a certain faux-surreal sense of "style" that will titillate a potential audience without defamiliarizing them (the goal of true art). They achieve that. Finito, completo. |
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03/14/2010 12:44:59 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
or she just needed the money, catered to people who don't and concealed the effect of her actions, both on her self-esteem and the integrity of her work… |
Hey, I'm yelling at the Choir. Disney's fingerprints might be all over that shoot in a negative way...that's half of my guess but I still think she could have coaxed better reactions from all that highly paid talent no matter what. I mean, look at the silly expressions on their faces. Beyoncees look had me rolling on the floor.
Again, my main issue is with people that automatically lavish undue credit on whoever because of their name. I know this is subjective but sometimes crap is just crap and her name or any other doesn't change that, if it is indded so.
eta: I know I'm throwing opinions around like nickles but it's really good fun.
Message edited by author 2010-03-14 12:47:45. |
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03/14/2010 12:35:52 PM · #20 |
| the work that catapulted her to stardom did for photography that John Cassavetes did for film. AL let the subjects emulate who they are ... no frills, no gimmicks ... "the work" is key and some do sell out to maintain. AL has been consistent 'till recently. her finances has gotten the best of her and she has lost some of her independent moxy. we all hope she can get it back. |
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03/14/2010 12:10:29 PM · #21 |
| or she just needed the money, catered to people who don't and concealed the effect of her actions, both on her self-esteem and the integrity of her work… |
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03/14/2010 12:06:35 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Perhaps she'd just downloaded the 30 day trial of Photoshop and got a bit over excited. Happens to us all. |
hahahahahah
Hey listen, I've fucked up a few photo shoots in my day but what get's me is that I never had a choir or people ranting about my incredible genius after the disaster. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm jealous. |
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03/14/2010 11:56:08 AM · #23 |
| The Emperor is wearing a thong. |
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03/14/2010 11:46:36 AM · #24 |
| Perhaps she'd just downloaded the 30 day trial of Photoshop and got a bit over excited. Happens to us all. |
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03/14/2010 11:40:32 AM · #25 |
I have no issue with her. I don't care about what she does but I do take issue with viewers that automatically credit her work as genius because her name is attached to it. I thought the Disney shoot was a complete horror show and an embarrassment BUT as usual people thought it was amazing. Personally I'm not sure they actually looked at the work. I thought it was so incredibly bad, it blew me away that Disney handed her a check.
Jorge would have torn that shoot up.
I'm not sure people are even scrutinizing at this point. Again, she can do whatever she pleases, I could care less but people should use their eye fairly when looking at her work as they do mine or yours and NOT get blinded by the name. Again, she has taken many, many great images, no argument there.
And it gets worse! Please tell me this is either a bad dream...or a bad joke. I mean, look.
eta: I have no issue with AL but the people calling this work great or amazing or genius are just plain stewed and that's what gets me.
Message edited by author 2010-03-14 11:46:17. |
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