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01/18/2010 10:07:55 AM · #1 |
Barry, if you remove my image from the context of this challenge you still see an object that will not work as it once did. If you remove that watch image I mentioned, and I have to say again that I'm not targeting any particular image, and view it out of context to this challenge then all I see is a still life of an old watch. That's the only point I'm trying to make here. I'm not trying to twist anyones perception of how a challenge should be interpreted. To show the viewer that something isn't working as it once did you need to show me the why and how it doesn't work as it once did. Photographing it and then telling me through the forum that it's broken or giving me a descriptive title doesn't cut it for me. It's the photograph that needs to get that message across, not the title or the already mentioned forum thread.
Oh and thanks for the mention in the Posthumous thread. :)
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01/18/2010 09:23:08 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Jac:
In my opinion this challenge served as a still life study rather than a challenge to produce an image of something that no longer works as it once did. Just plopping down an old watch onto an interesting background and lighting it appropriately, to me, doesn't meet the challenge goal. I'm not targeting a particular image btw. An old rusty car with flat tires in a field of weeds clearly shows that the car isn't in working condition and to me, this meets the challenge theme.
If we're going to over-simplify the challenges then all the challenges will become free studies and pointless. |
??? No disrepect intended here but your point, "still life study...with an interesting background and lighting", could easily be applied to the image you entered. Yes/No?
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The point, right or wrong, was the voters needed to see evidence the subject of the photo no longer worked as intended. I think this example fully meets that goal. Why don't you think so? |
Actually I like Jac's photo and gave it a high score (see this thread) - I think that his photo is very close to the scenario described (with a simple still life). |
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01/18/2010 09:15:49 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Jac:
In my opinion this challenge served as a still life study rather than a challenge to produce an image of something that no longer works as it once did. Just plopping down an old watch onto an interesting background and lighting it appropriately, to me, doesn't meet the challenge goal. I'm not targeting a particular image btw. An old rusty car with flat tires in a field of weeds clearly shows that the car isn't in working condition and to me, this meets the challenge theme.
If we're going to over-simplify the challenges then all the challenges will become free studies and pointless. |
??? No disrepect intended here but your point, "still life study...with an interesting background and lighting", could easily be applied to the image you entered. Yes/No?
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The point, right or wrong, was the voters needed to see evidence the subject of the photo no longer worked as intended. I think this example fully meets that goal. Why don't you think so? |
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01/18/2010 08:16:09 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Jac:
In my opinion this challenge served as a still life study rather than a challenge to produce an image of something that no longer works as it once did. Just plopping down an old watch onto an interesting background and lighting it appropriately, to me, doesn't meet the challenge goal. I'm not targeting a particular image btw. An old rusty car with flat tires in a field of weeds clearly shows that the car isn't in working condition and to me, this meets the challenge theme.
If we're going to over-simplify the challenges then all the challenges will become free studies and pointless. |
??? No disrepect intended here but your point, "still life study...with an interesting background and lighting", could easily be applied to the image you entered. Yes/No?
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01/18/2010 03:53:22 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Jac:
In my opinion this challenge served as a still life study rather than a challenge to produce an image of something that no longer works as it once did. Just plopping down an old watch onto an interesting background and lighting it appropriately, to me, doesn't meet the challenge goal. I'm not targeting a particular image btw. An old rusty car with flat tires in a field of weeds clearly shows that the car isn't in working condition and to me, this meets the challenge theme.
If we're going to over-simplify the challenges then all the challenges will become free studies and pointless. |
Good point. |
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01/18/2010 12:00:55 AM · #6 |
In my opinion this challenge served as a still life study rather than a challenge to produce an image of something that no longer works as it once did. Just plopping down an old watch onto an interesting background and lighting it appropriately, to me, doesn't meet the challenge goal. I'm not targeting a particular image btw. An old rusty car with flat tires in a field of weeds clearly shows that the car isn't in working condition and to me, this meets the challenge theme.
If we're going to over-simplify the challenges then all the challenges will become free studies and pointless. |
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01/17/2010 12:55:49 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Votes: 130
Views: 297
Avg Vote: 4.5923
Comments: 6
didn't think I could get much lower, but I did. Thinking brown. That would be okay with me.
edited to add: I agree with  Titia - maybe this should be entered in humor |
Votes: 135
Views: 308
Avg Vote: 4.5852
Comments: 6
Still dropping..
And the commentors pretty much agree that they don't understand how it's broken. But I expected that would be the case when I posted the picture so I can't complain. |
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01/17/2010 11:57:05 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
It just aggravates the daylights out of me that in a challenge like this you have to assume that the item or subject is broken but not everyone thinks like that. I mean if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck its a f&@#ing duck. To the ass that wants to know if my item s broken YES IT IS. |
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I can see Dirt Diver's point in this one and I also see the commenter's point of view to some degree. I think a lot of voters are looking for the "visibly broken" and if it isn't apparent to them that it's broken/falling apart, they won't vote it a decent score. However, from Dirt's perspective, I can see how frustrating this is and to have comments questioning his broken subject matter, means that in some way, he's being questioned as to whether he's stupid/shoehorning it LOL.
I used to go into every challenge, ticking off EVERY comment made by voters simply because they took the time to comment. I figured that we all gripe about comments and not getting any when we're low or sitting middle of the road so, if someone takes their time to make a comment, I figure it's "helpful". I've changed that now. Not all comments are helpful. Some simply raise my level of frustration or I totally disagree with or don't see their point in or to their comment. If that is the case now, I don't tick it off as helpful. I don't just go for the ones that are praising my photo I do find negative comments helpful more, sometimes, than the positive! However, I can see Dirt's point here and it IS frustrating. It's akin to an insult to the photographer's intelligence or integrity and I can see Dirt's point and reason for frustration. :) Ahhhh....DPC Challenges....you either have fun or you are ready to put your fist through your screen ;-)
BTW.....here's my score :)
Votes: 127
Views: 271
Avg Vote: 5.3543
Comments: 3
Not broken...but, needing repairs :)
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01/17/2010 12:16:24 AM · #9 |
Votes: 130
Views: 297
Avg Vote: 4.5923
Comments: 6
didn't think I could get much lower, but I did. Thinking brown. That would be okay with me.
edited to add: I agree with Titia - maybe this should be entered in humor
Message edited by author 2010-01-17 00:18:12. |
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01/16/2010 11:15:54 PM · #10 |
It's been a roller-coaster ride all week.
Votes: 127
Views: 282
Avg Vote: 5.5748
Comments: 5
Favorites: 1 |
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01/16/2010 10:50:28 PM · #11 |
Well, no better results here.
I was already low
at 77 votes 4.8571
then dropped steadily to
at 106 votes 4.7925
then drowned in 2's and 3's
at 115 votes 4.6435
and then someone got pity and gave me a 6
at 118 votes 4.6610
Still only one comment so far and one fav.
Maybe I should have better entered a photo of my score in Humor, ha ha.
Message edited by author 2010-01-16 22:52:03.
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01/16/2010 08:15:08 PM · #12 |
| I went from a 5.4 to a 5.2. The humor challenge is even worse! Those scores are dropping like flies! |
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01/16/2010 04:20:33 PM · #13 |
Snap! Going down more within an hour. Hard to believe I was even at 5.7 just yesterday.
Votes: 121
Views: 268
Avg Vote: 5.5950
Comments: 2
Favorites: 1
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01/16/2010 03:46:33 PM · #14 |
Bah, never mind.
Message edited by author 2010-01-16 15:59:22. |
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01/16/2010 03:36:43 PM · #15 |
| Same here...I went from 5.70 to 5.64 today :/ |
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01/16/2010 03:31:08 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
dropped from 5.25 to 5.17 in 4 votes. Unhappy people yesterday. (two 2s and a 4.) |
Ooooh yes...the nasty voters are about. I dropped from 125 votes at 6.2875 to......
Votes: 128
Views: 289
Avg Vote: 6.1484
Comments: 8
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 01/16/10 03:29 pm |
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01/16/2010 08:11:20 AM · #17 |
| dropped from 5.25 to 5.17 in 4 votes. Unhappy people yesterday. (two 2s and a 4.) |
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01/16/2010 06:18:34 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Titia:
Heading towards Brown
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i think i may have you there
Votes: 114
Views: 273
Avg Vote: 4.6404
Comments: 1
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01/16/2010 04:41:11 AM · #19 |
Heading towards Brown
Votes: 112
Views: 267
Avg Vote: 4.6964
Comments: 1
Favorites: 1
Such a low score and only one had the guts to tell me why (thank you) and one liked it enough to make it a fav.
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01/15/2010 12:30:41 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
I am getting sick of the dicks who vote on this site sometimes :( |
Why are you calling members dicks? You do know this is a member only challenge, right? So why are you calling fellow members dicks? |
Well, without getting into details, it's been done before and SC didn't mind. This thread is not the place to discuss that though. |
Actually, we *do* mind, even more so in a member challenge. Those "dicks" are your fellow paying members, and in an anonymous challenge, possibly even your friends.
Why is it so difficult to accept out of hundreds of viewers or voters, that a few of them may, for whatever reason, genuinely dislike your photo?
Message edited by author 2010-01-15 12:31:43.
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01/15/2010 12:23:58 PM · #21 |
| Someone just removed their comment. |
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01/15/2010 10:02:00 AM · #22 |
On a happy note the rollercoaster is still moving but it is going up again this time. :)
Votes: 110
Views: 247
Avg Vote: 5.7000
Comments: 2
Favorites: 1
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01/15/2010 07:15:02 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I am watching it, and who did I call out? |
I think you need to reread the rules I posted. But I'll help:
"... aware that others may have differing opinions of a personal attack, so use care when posting. Please note that this includes publicly "calling out" commenters (whether by name or not) in a hostile way. " |
What BS... I've seen way worse posts but I see how you work now. Ill refrain from post anymore here just to please you. |
If you see way worse posts, then report them and we will deal with them appropriately. Calling your fellow members assholes simply for committing the apparently heinous crime of taking the time to give you honest feedback on your photos is completely unacceptable.
~Terry
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01/14/2010 11:20:24 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I am watching it, and who did I call out? |
I think you need to reread the rules I posted. But I'll help:
"... aware that others may have differing opinions of a personal attack, so use care when posting. Please note that this includes publicly "calling out" commenters (whether by name or not) in a hostile way. " |
What BS... I've seen way worse posts but I see how you work now. Ill refrain from post anymore here just to please you.
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01/14/2010 06:12:07 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I am watching it, and who did I call out? |
I think you need to reread the rules I posted. But I'll help:
"... aware that others may have differing opinions of a personal attack, so use care when posting. Please note that this includes publicly "calling out" commenters (whether by name or not) in a hostile way. "
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