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05/17/2004 06:09:50 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by Donatien:
I'm now done voting and it's been a pleasant journey indeed. So many really nice images and some really good interpretations of the topic. Perhaps I sounded a bit to categorical earlier - certainly there are things that does not lend itself to being "entirely dead center", such as a body, an animal, perhaps the occational island and so forth. But many of them have managed anyway and some fail.
Hard to tell what and where without giving away example images, but take a profiled bird for instance, large enough to dominate the image. Place it('s body) well centered but looking at you with a clear focused eye. My bet is that the head and the eye is going to be the center of attention, since eyes do that, and if that is up in the corner - then the image isn't going to work for me.
Basically it is what appears to be main focus, what draws the major attention, that should be centered. If that is a larger area of the image it should be carefully weighted into the center. There's quite a few "cheaters" who've moved that part of the image just a bit out of center to make it look better. In all fairness it does, but still - out of challenge. |
I agree completely, the main focus is what I preferred to see centered as well. |
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05/17/2004 06:07:32 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by geewhy:
How are you people who are taking the "must be dead centre" approach voting on subjects like people or animals ?
Are you measuring from the middle of the body..or the face (which is where the eyes go to when viewing)? |
I'm now done voting and it's been a pleasant journey indeed. So many really nice images and some really good interpretations of the topic. Perhaps I sounded a bit to categorical earlier - certainly there are things that does not lend itself to being "entirely dead center", such as a body, an animal, perhaps the occational island and so forth. But many of them have managed anyway and some fail.
Hard to tell what and where without giving away example images, but take a profiled bird for instance, large enough to dominate the image. Place it('s body) well centered but looking at you with a clear focused eye. My bet is that the head and the eye is going to be the center of attention, since eyes do that, and if that is up in the corner - then the image isn't going to work for me.
Basically it is what appears to be main focus, what draws the major attention, that should be centered. If that is a larger area of the image it should be carefully weighted into the center. There's quite a few "cheaters" who've moved that part of the image just a bit out of center to make it look better. In all fairness it does, but still - out of challenge. |
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05/17/2004 02:25:08 PM · #3 |
Well, if you want to get that technical, I would then suggest the name of the challenge should have been called "DEAD CENTERED COMPOSITION".
;) (Off course I am just being silly at this point)
Message edited by author 2004-05-17 14:40:19.
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05/17/2004 01:15:29 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by vince31874:
Also.... Consider A Flower being dead center... and a door being dead center.
Of course the flower can be placed dead center. But with a door, even if you place it dead center, some people will say it is not, because of its demensions.
What matters is the subject is Dead Center regardless of its demensions. |
I think a door could be dead center if the margins on the top and bottom were equal to each other. And also the margins on the left and right were equal. The center of the door would be the center of the photo. I would count it as dead center. :) |
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05/17/2004 11:31:26 AM · #5 |
| The other one that I have seen (some one may have touched on it in this thread), is a few tight crops around an object leaving nothing around the edges. Sure the Object is the centered but this forces me to look dead center to see if there is any detail that the shooter wanted me to pick up. On a couple I did not see any prominent detail around the center of the picture. |
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05/17/2004 11:18:15 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by geewhy:
How are you people who are taking the "must be dead centre" approach voting on subjects like people or animals ?
Are you measuring from the middle of the body..or the face (which is where the eyes go to when viewing)? |
That's part of the reasoning for my earlier opinion, which we hashed out extensively over here until the wee hours of this morning, so I won't say it all again.
interesting though that people disagree with me in this thread, but agree with me in the other on balance.
I'm going back over there where the weather is better ;)
edit ps: I'm not bitching because of my score, by the way - mine is doing just fine. I just happened to have an opinion on the subject. I've also been around here long enough to have known that this thread was going to come up. :D
Message edited by author 2004-05-17 11:19:49. |
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05/17/2004 11:18:09 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by geewhy:
How are you people who are taking the "must be dead centre" approach voting on subjects like people or animals ?
Are you measuring from the middle of the body..or the face (which is where the eyes go to when viewing)? |
Depends. Usually, the eyes draw you in on a prortrait, so I would say the eyes in a case like that. So I say the middle of the face, unless the person has his back turned to the viwere or is in silhouette. My answer could also be affected by such factors as i) is the person holding something, ii) is another part of the body showing more important than the eyes or the face, etc....
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05/17/2004 11:14:39 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by daisy77:
Originally posted by Donatien:
I'm going with Skief here. There are quite a few compositions made off-center in one way or another. Of course it doesn't have to be all dead center, but the main subject (however subjective that might be) should imo be in the middle, however you turn the image. I've punished a few really good shots on the same idea; I look dead center - if it isn't there, it's pretty much off topic.
However, if the surrounding composition supports the subject in the center, fine - that only adds to a good image I think.
[edit: typo] |
i'm with you michael. dead center is pretty specific and i am voting accordingly. interestingly, i'm at 5.3ish with a centered subject and a decent shot. and although i would love a comment or two as to why it's not scoring higher, i think it is the LACK of surrounding stuff that may be dinging my score. just a subject in the center of otherwise nondescript surround is not where it's at with voters?
meanwhile, i am really impressed by the caliber of the photos in this challenge. great work all. |
I agree with both of you. Images don't necessarily have to have a square crop, but the point of interest of the shot must be dead in the center of the image. I am also scoring images lower (not by a whole lot - so don't have a cow) that do not respect this challenge descriptor.
This challenge was different, putting less emphasis on such things as the rule of thirds, landscapes, etc. Some chose to go with it, some didn't.
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05/17/2004 11:12:49 AM · #9 |
How are you people who are taking the "must be dead centre" approach voting on subjects like people or animals ?
Are you measuring from the middle of the body..or the face (which is where the eyes go to when viewing)? |
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05/17/2004 10:56:40 AM · #10 |
| On balance these are great! So much for the rule of thirds ... |
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05/17/2004 10:22:47 AM · #11 |
Also.... Consider A Flower being dead center... and a door being dead center.
Of course the flower can be placed dead center. But with a door, even if you place it dead center, some people will say it is not, because of its demensions.
What matters is the subject is Dead Center regardless of its demensions. |
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05/17/2004 10:20:24 AM · #12 |
I am doing a horrible 4.01 with 30 votes. I wish I hadn't entered. I didn't think my shot through at all... just kinda came up with something that was cute to me. It's boring really. Bah! I am going to either sit out for a few weeks or start getting really creative. I need inspiration!
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05/17/2004 10:10:19 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Donatien:
I'm going with Skief here. There are quite a few compositions made off-center in one way or another. Of course it doesn't have to be all dead center, but the main subject (however subjective that might be) should imo be in the middle, however you turn the image. I've punished a few really good shots on the same idea; I look dead center - if it isn't there, it's pretty much off topic.
However, if the surrounding composition supports the subject in the center, fine - that only adds to a good image I think.
[edit: typo] |
i'm with you michael. dead center is pretty specific and i am voting accordingly. interestingly, i'm at 5.3ish with a centered subject and a decent shot. and although i would love a comment or two as to why it's not scoring higher, i think it is the LACK of surrounding stuff that may be dinging my score. just a subject in the center of otherwise nondescript surround is not where it's at with voters?
meanwhile, i am really impressed by the caliber of the photos in this challenge. great work all.
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05/17/2004 10:03:27 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by skief:
"Take a picture where the main subject is dead center" The only problem I'm having so far is noticing that there are many pictures where the subject is centered horizontally, but not vertically. Dead center to me means, the very center of the entire photo space, not just horizontal center. I spent a ton of time on cropping mine to make sure that it was exactly the dead center of the photo. Dropping a couple of points in my votes on pictures because of this. |
you have to be kidding me... |
I'm going with Skief here. There are quite a few compositions made off-center in one way or another. Of course it doesn't have to be all dead center, but the main subject (however subjective that might be) should imo be in the middle, however you turn the image. I've punished a few really good shots on the same idea; I look dead center - if it isn't there, it's pretty much off topic.
However, if the surrounding composition supports the subject in the center, fine - that only adds to a good image I think.
[edit: typo]
Message edited by author 2004-05-17 10:04:16. |
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05/17/2004 08:54:10 AM · #15 |
Doing very well this time over 5.75 with 25 votes. Interesting to note, though, I think some newbies need to learn the difference between soft focus and out of focus. Have two comments - one giving a 10 and the other probably sub 5 saying my subject is out of focus.
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05/17/2004 07:18:56 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Falc:
My first member challenge too, looks like I'm holding up pretty well at the moment.
Votes: 28
Avg Vote: 6.4643
Comments: 2
There are some great images in there. Well done guys.
Falc |
Great start Falc... Lets stop the voting now for ya ;)
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05/17/2004 07:10:54 AM · #17 |
My first member challenge too, looks like I'm holding up pretty well at the moment.
Votes: 28
Avg Vote: 6.4643
Comments: 2
There are some great images in there. Well done guys.
Falc |
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05/17/2004 07:05:33 AM · #18 |
I agree. A great set of photos in this contest. My internet connection was down Sunday so I didn't get a chance to submit. Here is what I wound have submitted. Comments appreciated.
Russ |
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05/17/2004 06:58:16 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by skief:
"Take a picture where the main subject is dead center" The only problem I'm having so far is noticing that there are many pictures where the subject is centered horizontally, but not vertically. Dead center to me means, the very center of the entire photo space, not just horizontal center. I spent a ton of time on cropping mine to make sure that it was exactly the dead center of the photo. Dropping a couple of points in my votes on pictures because of this. |
you have to be kidding me... |
Skief does have a point... dead center means dead center. To each is own interpretation of the challenge description and thus his vote pattern.
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05/17/2004 06:52:09 AM · #20 |
| Great job everybody! Looks like the quality on here is improving. My scoring average will surely go up after voting on this one. It's going to be tough to pick a winner. |
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05/17/2004 06:23:23 AM · #21 |
I am sure glad I sat this one out!!
I am building up something new to better my score for the next challenge.....tired of being a 3 or 4 average.....but proud to have tried!
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05/17/2004 06:11:54 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by BooZon:
I guess I am not alone. I am being hammered 4.5714. Being my first member challenge I am very disheartened. :(
What scores are you guys getting? |
4.1 after 26 votes, It would appear my monitor has let me down again, comments suggest some people can see more in the picture than me. I can't seem to set the monitor correctly - it looks like I have 6 black bars on the calibration line in voting1
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05/17/2004 03:52:24 AM · #23 |
I guess I am not alone. I am being hammered 4.5714. Being my first member challenge I am very disheartened. :(
What scores are you guys getting?
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05/17/2004 02:59:29 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by skief:
"Take a picture where the main subject is dead center" The only problem I'm having so far is noticing that there are many pictures where the subject is centered horizontally, but not vertically. Dead center to me means, the very center of the entire photo space, not just horizontal center. I spent a ton of time on cropping mine to make sure that it was exactly the dead center of the photo. Dropping a couple of points in my votes on pictures because of this. |
you have to be kidding me... |
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05/17/2004 02:33:32 AM · #25 |
My subject is simple dead in the center lol.
but people don't like sad photos I figure :-/
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