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06/29/2002 02:33:18 PM · #1
Making the reply process too easy might lead people to respond to every comment they get. I know I've said it before, but if I make 50 comments in a challenge, I don't want 50 e-mails about my comments. Some people, even with good intentions, do this ... and that is still a big concern of mine.

Drew
06/29/2002 01:07:30 PM · #2
Originally posted by chariot:
Originally posted by rkymtndream:
[i]I agree that I would like to be able to resopond to questions whether there are names attatched or not. There are some questions sitting in my comments now that I would like to answer, but can't now. By the time the challenge is over, it will be old news.


Its old news only if you don't respond to it. I've had people message me after the voting was over regarding my comment.
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Responses would be greatly facilitated if the link (the commenter's name) on the comments page popped-up a mail/message window, instead of transferring to their profile page. That way the response could be sent immediately, and no backtracking is needed to go to the next comment.
06/29/2002 10:28:07 AM · #3
Originally posted by rkymtndream:
I agree that I would like to be able to resopond to questions whether there are names attatched or not. There are some questions sitting in my comments now that I would like to answer, but can't now. By the time the challenge is over, it will be old news.

Its old news only if you don't respond to it. I've had people message me after the voting was over regarding my comment.
06/29/2002 10:26:33 AM · #4
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Though it may not be the best solution, I think I should clear up 'locking votes' for those who I've seen oppose it. It would be something that would only be done if a photographer chose to respond to a comment during voting. i.e. You can say whatever you want back to the voter, but you can't change his opinion... otherwise, let him figure it out on his own.

Drew


But some of us like to change our votes as the weeks go by so I don't think the locking mechanism should be based on the photographer but instead on the commentator. When the commentator decides s/he is done voting they can then lock the votes and open themselves up to responses.

06/27/2002 04:36:18 PM · #5
I would like the names back on. My reasoning probably isn't as sound as others, but it makes sense to me. When I read "this picture sucks" but it is by ####### or someone I don't recognize, then I can probably jsut ignore it and move on. However, if I get the same comment from setzler (though he would probably be much more eloquent *grin/wink*) I would know to take it seriously, and maybe my picture does suck. I understand that I can find out in a week, but heck I got a digital camera so I can see my pictures RIGHT NOW! I don't do well with delayed gratification. :-)
06/27/2002 04:17:50 PM · #6
I may not "sign" my comments, but most of you frequenting this site "know" it''s me.
As for the issue at hand, I think there are enough trolls here to start an e-mail storm! N/A, ?, What comments will devolve into shouting matches. Read the forums, you will see what I mean. We have some bulldogs in the crowd, bless them, that just won''t let an issue die.
As for comments, although I could have "saved" at least one or two of my entries, at least partly, I still would prefer them left out.
Finally, the anonomous messaging isn''t a good idea in my mind, leads to name calling, etc.
Rob York

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/27/2002 4:18:10 PM.
06/27/2002 04:10:29 PM · #7
One more emphatic vote for turning the names back on.

As for whether or not we will all be adult enough to handle it, I think most of us will be. But as before, and as with any system, there will always be people out there who takeadvantage of, abuse and misuse a system. Lets try not to appeal to the lowest common denominator here...
06/27/2002 03:54:40 PM · #8
Though it may not be the best solution, I think I should clear up 'locking votes' for those who I've seen oppose it. It would be something that would only be done if a photographer chose to respond to a comment during voting. i.e. You can say whatever you want back to the voter, but you can't change his opinion... otherwise, let him figure it out on his own.

Drew
06/27/2002 03:46:43 PM · #9
When you say that the details aren't shown because a photo should "stand on it's own" then I'm against showing the names of the voters.
When you're going to show the names then I want the detailts, too ;-) Actually I think it's a good way to explain the photo a little bit to the viewer about the circumstances and what you thought.
So either give the possibility to talk about the photo during the challenge or not.

But I'm all against locking a vote. I often vote on all photos at once, then change some votes because I feel that this or that photo should have a higher/lower score compared to another. After seeing all photos I sometimes I change my mind on certain shots. Also because of limited time I vote all photos the one day and when having more time look at them more closer the other day and adjust scores.
06/27/2002 03:37:47 PM · #10
what if we just gave people the option of showing/not showing their names as they comment--kind of like we do with our email?

A few of us do that anyway by signing our comments. This way "I" choose if I want people to question my comment.






* This message has been edited by the author on 6/27/2002 3:51:22 PM.
06/27/2002 03:11:17 PM · #11
If you allow comments and people to message eachother about a picture then why not just allow the description of the picture? Its the same thing except that the people who have more time to spend on the site (not that I have that problem) get the benefit of being able to message back and forth about what their picture is all about.

I'd rather not see the names get put back. But if you are gonna put them back, then just allow the description to show as well.
06/27/2002 02:10:11 PM · #12
what if we just gave people the option of showing/not showing their names as they comment--kind of like we do with our email?
06/27/2002 12:47:02 PM · #13
[oldmangrumble] well I'm sure I want something for my 2¢... [/oldmangrumble]
06/27/2002 11:12:11 AM · #14
I agree -- and moreover, such facilitated interaction on the comments (anonymous or not) definitely promotes discussion that could sway votes. I personally wanted comment-names back just so I could see who was leaving what types of comments. I've gotten some really good comments, and I'm curious to know who likes what.

I also definitely don't want to think that every time I leave a comment, I'm open for "critique school" ... I still hold to the fact that if I like or dislike a photo or an element of it, I don't need someone to convince me otherwise :)

Drew
06/27/2002 11:09:19 AM · #15
Well, seeing other people''s comments would probably influence your vote too. If he sees 10 comments that say "I don''t like this", Joe Schmoe is probably not going to give it a very high score. Peer pressure is pervasive.

I liked my idea better (don''t we always? :)) where some random photos would be selected from a range of scores to discuss more in depth after the challenge.

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/27/2002 11:09:55 AM.
06/27/2002 11:08:39 AM · #16
If you asked a question in your comment about a photo, you may be interested in going back to see if you got a response maybe? This is the issue i think... some comments ask questions and the photographers would love to respond to those before the challenge is over...

I would not likely enter into a discussion about many photos either, but I would love being able to see what other voters have said about a photograph during the challenge.

I, being the debater that I am, would also like to debate certain critiques... not only on my own photos, but on others as well. I love a healthy debate... :)
06/27/2002 11:02:46 AM · #17
I don't know if that's really very useful. It might lead to people commenting a lot less because they'll be asked to justify what they say if they leave a critical comment. Also, people can be sooooo sensitive about their photos. If I comment on 50 photos, that's a lot of comments to go back and check whether I got a reply, as well. I don't think I would go back and enter into a discussion on more than a handful of them.
06/27/2002 10:54:03 AM · #18
Clarifying:

My last comment could be used to replace comments as we know them now... instead of comments, just have an interactive forum where the names of the participants are invisible until the challenge is over... this allows meaningful interaction between the photographer and the voter on the photo submission while voting is in progress...

It also would serve as critique training since critique could be discussed during the voting on the current photos...
06/27/2002 10:47:53 AM · #19
Drew, consider this concept:

Instead of having an anonymous email transfer, how about an anonymous message thread just like the forums, except without names to go along with each photo on its voting page? This would allow the photographer to anonymously interact with anyone who wanted to discuss the photo... This would allow ANYONE to follow along with any commentaries on the photos... :)
06/27/2002 10:45:28 AM · #20
I think we're going a bit overboard...

A photo should stand by its own - rather than including the details we should think about excluding the titles! Perhaps a bit extreme, but in my oppinion it would totally ruin the challenge of capturing an idea in a photo, to allow the photographer to explain his way of thinking.

Regarding comments - let's do as jmsetzler - if you want to sign, sign it. Although yo get a comment that you think is unfair or someone "misunderstood" - then touch luck, you were not able to reach the audience this time. If the idea needs explaining, do it in the details, and the voter should be the one to think, "darn, I was stupid not to get this".
06/27/2002 10:33:38 AM · #21
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Anonymity is awfully dangerous ... I cast my vote against it.


I agree anonymity can be dangerous, but with jmseztlers system it's not totally anonymous because the title of the photo will be used as fixed subejct for the email. The sender will be known once the results are published.
06/27/2002 10:22:08 AM · #22
Anonymity is awfully dangerous ... I cast my vote against it.

Drew
06/27/2002 09:41:43 AM · #23
At the time, I thought removing the names was a good thing, but I have to admit that I do miss them too. Therefor I'd like to see them turned back on again.
Although influencing is an issue, I'm not sure I like the vote-locking idea. Like others, I often change my votes during the week after giving the photos a second look too. The only way to avoid vote-locking would be to give only comments at the end of the week. I'm afraid this might result in less comments, plus most comments being given at the end of the week. I certainly wouldn't like that.

BTW: I support Jmsetzlers suggestion to add "anonymous response".
06/27/2002 08:11:21 AM · #24
Originally posted by irae:
I'm all for having names on comments, wouldn't like the vote to be locked (since we're adults) and think showing the aperture and shutter data with the image would be a big help without detracting from the image's ability to stand on its own. You owe me 2¢.

If I'm not mistaken, "putting in" one's 2¢ would mean paying us the money. We'll accept check or money order or paypal ;) donations@dpchallenge.com

Drew
06/27/2002 07:27:54 AM · #25
I'm guessing that having the "request administrator note" means we can have you say Thisisn'tfakeditmeetsthechallengesobuggeroff'? But seriously, I have no problem at all with having the names turned back on. As for acting like adults, I hope so. The lock in vote feature isn't something I would want. I sometimes change my votes during the week after I have looked closer at each individual photo.
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