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Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

04/15/2004 04:33:22 PM · #2

Kali

Nikon D7100

04/15/2004 04:05:25 PM · #3

Originally posted by gpierson:

Strength has some of the most amazing shots in it-haven't seen an open challenge with this level of greatness in a while!

Lay off the doobies

Zoomdak

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

04/14/2004 03:44:53 PM · #4

You can go outside the box, but not outside the topic. I went too far out, I think, both ways with my chaos entry:

It was fun to see what would happen, it just didn't score that high and thats alright, I learned from it.

Canon EOS-60D

04/14/2004 02:42:08 PM · #5

I guess strength, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I've had three comments so far that say my photo has nothing to do with strength, but to me, it has EVERYTHING to do with strength. I guess as long as I am happy with my submission and the reasoning behind it, people can think what they wish about it. I do, however, notice that all three negative comments are from people under 22 who haven't been around enough just yet to know the kind of strength I'm talking about. It comes with age, adversity, focus, determination, etc. I'm not saying that young people today have not had to deal with adversity, etc. at all...I'm just pointing out a statistic from my own experience in this challenge that I personally find interesting.

David.C

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

04/14/2004 02:21:43 PM · #6

Originally posted by daveit:

Originally posted by movieman:

Originally posted by Zoomdak:
I guess I should stop going into challenges expecting higher than 5 scores (is that too much to ask) but once again I've been dissapointed with myself but here I am with 18 votes and a 4.9444 well, at least I'm close.

I feel you.

I think I'm going to stop trying to think outside the box, and just go for what DPCers want.

How sad is that statement!! Why even enter a challenge if all your doing is trying to please everyone??? Where's the learning in that? I'm not much better, my entries haven't done overly well in any challenge, but I still enjoy testing myself. If I get to the point that I'm only going to take shots that I think will make these voters happy, then it's time to move on because I've lost touch with why I ever picked up a camera in the first place.
Don't let this site get the better of you!! Continue to endulge yourself in what YOU consider to be good photography and nevermind what the critics have to say!

I have to agree with daveit. Take a good hard look at the top ten places in the challenges; there always seems to be at least one or two that are not obvious, and yet they score well. By taking the less obvious route you are challenging yourself even more than the challenge is. It speaks well of you that you can take the non-obvious and attempt to make an obviously good photo of it. It just takes more to do so.

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This is the first challenge I have entered, and I am doing better than I expected considering the photo I submitted is more Power than Strength. It started at 5.5 and dropped quickly to 4.5, since then it has been yo-yoing across the 5.0 mark. Now at 81 votes I am sitting at 5.0, just as I was at 73 votes. Three comments, none have anything negative to say at all. This is hands down the best photo I have taken, but I did not expect it to do well. All in all, a very serendipitous challenge so far. ;)

David

/edit: clarity

Message edited by author 2004-04-14 14:24:47.

daveit

Canon EOS-10D

04/14/2004 02:03:36 PM · #7

Originally posted by movieman:

Originally posted by Zoomdak:
I guess I should stop going into challenges expecting higher than 5 scores (is that too much to ask) but once again I've been dissapointed with myself but here I am with 18 votes and a 4.9444 well, at least I'm close.

I feel you.

I think I'm going to stop trying to think outside the box, and just go for what DPCers want.

How sad is that statement!! Why even enter a challenge if all your doing is trying to please everyone??? Where's the learning in that? I'm not much better, my entries haven't done overly well in any challenge, but I still enjoy testing myself. If I get to the point that I'm only going to take shots that I think will make these voters happy, then it's time to move on because I've lost touch with why I ever picked up a camera in the first place.
Don't let this site get the better of you!! Continue to endulge yourself in what YOU consider to be good photography and nevermind what the critics have to say!

Zoomdak

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

04/14/2004 01:11:52 PM · #8

Originally posted by Zoomdak:

I guess I should stop going into challenges expecting higher than 5 scores (is that too much to ask) but once again I've been dissapointed with myself but here I am with 18 votes and a 4.9444 well, at least I'm close.

I am pleased to report that I'm back up to a 5.2 with 5 good comments, much more satisfied. yay!

coolhar

04/14/2004 12:48:48 PM · #9

Originally posted by amazoneea:

I hope I don't do anything bad if I say that faith can be strength too. Think Joanna D'Arc. I hope I spelled right. But not only... the faith can be a way to fight. Fighting death with just the strength that faith gives you can sometimes lead to victory.

I didn't enter it but had an idea along the lines you are talking about, so you can figure I won't consider your entry as not meeting the challenge. Glad to see you back, Good Luck.

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/14/2004 11:59:52 AM · #10

I knew a woman 4'10" and 90 Lbs.
No husband.
No full time job.
Raised 7 little children on her own by cleaning neighbors houses and knitting clothes !
She was phisically very weak but strongest woman {in her spirit) I ever seen!

Jovi

Sony DSC-F717

04/14/2004 06:32:55 AM · #11

Originally posted by jadin:

Originally posted by goodman:
where are all the shirtless bods? disappointed

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LOL!

Message edited by EddyG - Pls do not reference specific images during voting.

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED VR

04/14/2004 05:36:51 AM · #12

Originally posted by goodman:

where are all the shirtless bods? disappointed

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Message edited by EddyG - Pls do not reference specific images during voting.

whiteroom

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

04/14/2004 05:34:20 AM · #13

where are all the shirtless bods? disappointed

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED VR

04/14/2004 05:27:30 AM · #14

Originally posted by amazoneea:

I don't mean to imply faith is bad, just that for me personally, it does not mean strength. I understand how many people conclude it does based on your comments. My logic doesn't follow that route, however. /shrug

Originally posted by coqsinel:

I found many beautiful pictures in this challenge it's true, but most of them don't really relate to the subject.

Exactly my thoughts.

Message edited by author 2004-04-14 05:29:32.

coqsinel

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

04/14/2004 05:12:14 AM · #15

strength is a wide theme.. this caused many interpretations and the meaning of strength lost its value.. does strength really mean power?? then this causes even more confusion..

i know if the theme was brief and easy it would sound boring. but now it's difficult to vote.. cause it's becoming very 'subjective', not very fair isn't it?

I found many beautiful pictures in this challenge it's true, but most of them don't really relate to the subject.

amazoneea

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

04/14/2004 05:04:07 AM · #16

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED VR

04/14/2004 04:35:02 AM · #17

Originally posted by pitsaman:

What is the theme?
Subject of this challenge is very wide,can be emotional,material,visual etc..
Nobody says take photo of a strong man !
Strength can be represented in million ways,think about it!
if everyone stuck in certain subject like drunk for the fence ,it would be a very boring challenge!

Well true enough. For myself, I have a fairly well defined notion of why strength to me is. Some things I saw in this challenge in my opinion are far better defined as something like faith, something I saw a lot of. For me, faith does not signify strength, it signifies.. faith. I guess we all interpret everything different.

My point was perhaps you shouldn't feel bad for receiving a low score if you don't know why the person voted that way.

I also recommend grading your score on a curve. If the winners rarely break a score of 8.0, then a 4.5 isn't exactly a 4.5, it's more like a 5.6, if 8.0 was equal to a 10.

mocabela

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

04/14/2004 04:28:28 AM · #18

Originally posted by movieman:

When I came home I had a 5.2, I don't remember how many votes, but now I'm just under 30 votes with a 4.5. This blows.

I've lost half a point in the past 15 votes... booo! lol

I expect to lose another point at least before it stops falling. *sigh*

This is probably my all time favourite shot, too... so far. Oh well, at least someone must've gotten it for it to have started out with a decent score :)

tfarrell23

Sony DSC-F828

04/14/2004 04:25:30 AM · #19

As my Wfe said.. and I second the motion..... Thanx... Kosta

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/14/2004 04:24:27 AM · #20

Originally posted by movieman:

When I came home I had a 5.2, I don't remember how many votes, but now I'm just under 30 votes with a 4.5. This blows.

Damn Europeans,LOL !

Message edited by author 2004-04-14 04:24:52.

mocabela

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

04/14/2004 04:24:24 AM · #21

Originally posted by pitsaman:

Well said! I'm sure most of the photos in the Strength challenge that I thought were best (so far, anyway, I haven't finished yet..) will end up suffering from ratings by narrow-minded viewers. Strength is an especially broad category, and I think the varying interpretations made it one of the most interesting challenges I've yet rated.

movieman

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

04/14/2004 04:23:46 AM · #22

When I came home I had a 5.2, I don't remember how many votes, but now I'm just under 30 votes with a 4.5. This blows.

sfarrell23

Olympus C-50Z

04/14/2004 04:21:13 AM · #23

Originally posted by pitsaman:

Originally posted by jadin:
I wouldn't feel so bad personally. For my rating system if you don't capture the theme very well you won't get over 5. What I mean by this is if I look at your photo and the first thing that comes to mind is bridges (just an example), you didn't capture the theme enough to make it clear. I only gave out two 10's this challenge. Both of which the second you look at them you know exactly what the theme was.

After that I go 1-5 for how good a photo is that didn't capture the theme, and 6-10 for how good a photo DID capture the theme. Lighting, composition, etc gets rated here.

In other words a really crappy photo that says 'strength' to me will get a 6. And at the same time a superb photo that brings to mind something other than 'strength' will get a 5. I like to reward people for nailing the theme.

What is the theme?
Subject of this challenge is very wide,can be emotional,material,visual etc..
Nobody says take photo of a strong man !
Strength can be represented in million ways,think about it!
if everyone stuck in certain subject like drunk for the fence ,it would be a very boring challenge!

Thank you...Kosta

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/14/2004 04:16:46 AM · #24

Originally posted by jadin:

I wouldn't feel so bad personally. For my rating system if you don't capture the theme very well you won't get over 5. What I mean by this is if I look at your photo and the first thing that comes to mind is bridges (just an example), you didn't capture the theme enough to make it clear. I only gave out two 10's this challenge. Both of which the second you look at them you know exactly what the theme was.

After that I go 1-5 for how good a photo is that didn't capture the theme, and 6-10 for how good a photo DID capture the theme. Lighting, composition, etc gets rated here.

In other words a really crappy photo that says 'strength' to me will get a 6. And at the same time a superb photo that brings to mind something other than 'strength' will get a 5. I like to reward people for nailing the theme.