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09/26/2008 12:31:53 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Votes Cast: 274
Avg Vote Cast: 2.3796
Nice to see the vote scrubber doing its job. |
And again! Shows the vote scrubber does work...
Challenges Entered: 0
Votes Cast: 147
Avg Vote Cast: 2.5034 |
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09/25/2008 08:23:35 PM · #2 |
| And then there are the other toos too. |
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09/25/2008 05:48:02 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by tnun:
or when it is just too, well, too too... |
Personally I think Timfys titles are not too bad normally ;)
Sorry I'll get my coat! |
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09/25/2008 05:30:44 PM · #4 |
Rarely do I mark a comment as unhelpful, and then usually because my fur is ruffled, which is the case in the smiley glyphs, now that I know their origin/significance. It is not a big deal. Not for me. Possibly for him: profile statistics may show an inordinate number of not helpful comments unless he chooses to change or remove them.
 swankFoto, a lot of us try to ignore the title in judging a photo, but sometimes it is hard when it is an attempt to shoehorn something into meeting the challenge, or when it is just too, well, too too... On the other hand the heart leaps at an especially felicitous title, and that counts, I believe, in whatever proportion of the score goes to sheer enjoyment of a photo. |
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09/25/2008 05:06:21 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by stevewlk:
Read above :P |
Read what? My post? Glad's post? L2's? Yours?
I personally don't mind getting smilies as comments, but not when they're accompanied by obvious lowball votes, and definitely not when they're copy/pasted out of pure laziness.
So far, your comments haven't been removed, and you've made no effort to change anything yourself. Why not put your money where your mouth is...
Originally posted by steve from his profile page:
I'm a strong critic and won't baby your picture, I look for both photographic and compositional quality. I expect the same from you. |
If you honestly cannot find a single image worth more than a vote of 3, don't smile about it, tell us all why you think so - back up your low votes with that strong critique of yours. |
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09/25/2008 01:14:43 AM · #6 |
Read above :P
Message edited by author 2008-09-25 01:17:44. |
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09/24/2008 08:25:22 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by rinac:
Does anyone remember the "Great Job Baggie"? If I remember correctly, she left short comments as a place holder for herself to go back later and elaborate anyway, and as far as I could understand from what was being said in the forums at the time, she wasn't even low-balling those images with sub 3 votes. She was torn to shreds for leaving "Great job!" comments and was made to go back and change them otherwise she would have been in strife for artificially inflating her stats (or something like that).
So, what's good for the goose....... |
Exactly! You've restated that situation quite accurately. She seemed to be a decent person and that incident really turned her off to DPC. |
Actually, that's not quite true. She was not "made" to go back and change them, but in some cases she did. She was asked to stop cutting/pasting the same comment all the time. |
I'm "curious" also in what makes a "smiley" continously posted any different from "Great Job". A former SC member stated during the "Great Job" era the following:
Originally posted by HBunch:
...if you (or anyone else) feels the need to continue making such cut and paste comments, they will be removed as well, and possible penalties applied. |
Quote taken from early on in the just curious thread.
As for the intention of the DPC'r that rinac mentions in her post, there was good intention (at least that's what I got out of it in several PM's that went back and forth between myself and the "Great Job Fairy") and many of the comments were changed. Many of the "Great Job" comments that did not get modified by the author were deleted by SC/DPChallenge.
So, I guess given prior precendent we should see the current smileys go away pretty soon also? |
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09/24/2008 03:52:44 PM · #8 |
I think it really doesn't matter WHAT system a person uses to vote on the images in a challenge... AS LONG AS each person who votes on ANY image, votes on EVERY image in the challenge, using the same scale, it will all work out in the end. Of course, one can't vote on his own, so that one is excused. *grin*
What I don't think is fair is voting for just some of the images... as this will skew the scores for those images.
That said, I try to give at least a 5.0 vote average on each challenge. |
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09/24/2008 03:28:21 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by rinac:
Does anyone remember the "Great Job Baggie"? If I remember correctly, she left short comments as a place holder for herself to go back later and elaborate anyway, and as far as I could understand from what was being said in the forums at the time, she wasn't even low-balling those images with sub 3 votes. She was torn to shreds for leaving "Great job!" comments and was made to go back and change them otherwise she would have been in strife for artificially inflating her stats (or something like that).
So, what's good for the goose....... |
Exactly! You've restated that situation quite accurately. She seemed to be a decent person and that incident really turned her off to DPC. |
Actually, that's not quite true. She was not "made" to go back and change them, but in some cases she did. She was asked to stop cutting/pasting the same comment all the time. |
Ah, thanks for clarifying  L2 :) I think I may have been confusing the outcome of that with what happened to the free study "DNMC" comments not too long ago. |
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09/24/2008 08:46:40 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by rinac:
Does anyone remember the "Great Job Baggie"? If I remember correctly, she left short comments as a place holder for herself to go back later and elaborate anyway, and as far as I could understand from what was being said in the forums at the time, she wasn't even low-balling those images with sub 3 votes. She was torn to shreds for leaving "Great job!" comments and was made to go back and change them otherwise she would have been in strife for artificially inflating her stats (or something like that).
So, what's good for the goose....... |
Exactly! You've restated that situation quite accurately. She seemed to be a decent person and that incident really turned her off to DPC. |
Actually, that's not quite true. She was not "made" to go back and change them, but in some cases she did. She was asked to stop cutting/pasting the same comment all the time. |
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09/24/2008 08:37:13 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
I didn't mark that one as helpful as I saw it as a stupid comment on a spiteful score, but I do know many other people track their score and when a score is amended +/- any comment associated with the score is UNmarked as helpful so you can sometimes see who has altered their vote, why this really matters though is unknown to me ;)
ETA: Speeellliiiiing |
Comments are also unmarked as helpful when the commenter modifies the comment. Like, say, for a spelling error ;-) I actually do review my comments sometimes and correct the typos during the challenge. Doesn't mean I changed my vote. |
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09/24/2008 08:14:46 AM · #12 |
How much does the Title play a role in the score?
Does a really imaginitive title get a bump?
An offensive one get a detraction?
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09/24/2008 08:13:46 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Does anyone remember the "Great Job Baggie"? If I remember correctly, she left short comments as a place holder for herself to go back later and elaborate anyway, and as far as I could understand from what was being said in the forums at the time, she wasn't even low-balling those images with sub 3 votes. She was torn to shreds for leaving "Great job!" comments and was made to go back and change them otherwise she would have been in strife for artificially inflating her stats (or something like that).
So, what's good for the goose....... |
Exactly! You've restated that situation quite accurately. She seemed to be a decent person and that incident really turned her off to DPC. |
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09/24/2008 07:50:31 AM · #14 |
| The comment box is just that - a 'comment' box. 'Nice shot' and its ilk (and for that matter a smiley face) are legitimate, if some-what unimaginative comments. It can certainly be useful to receive a full and considered critique; but I am still very happy to receive quick emotional responses. |
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09/24/2008 05:36:16 AM · #15 |
| FWIW, I mark comments as helpful because that's how I keep track of how many I have. If my count differs by more than the known value (ie 19 of my comments are my own on my own shots - can't mark them as helpful) then I know I have new comments. Weird, but it works. So I mark everything as helpful as an indication to myself that I've seen and read it. |
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09/24/2008 04:39:46 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
BUT..........
Why have people been marking the Stupid Smiley face (:]) as helpful?? It clearly isn't. It gives no feedback. Recently there has been a push to increase the amount of comments. However, I feel a number of people are giving comments that are of little help, and are just doing them to boost the amount of comments or to get 100% comments in a challange. |
I didn't mark that one as helpful as I saw it as a stupid comment on a spiteful score, but I do know many other people track their score and when a score is amended +/- any comment associated with the score is UNmarked as helpful so you can sometimes see who has altered their vote, why this really matters though is unknown to me ;)
ETA: Speeellliiiiing
Message edited by author 2008-09-24 04:40:22. |
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09/24/2008 04:01:43 AM · #17 |
Well, time for my two cents for what its worth after following this thread since the start
Firstly, I think the voting criteria people use has been done to death in other forums. If you are interested, go read them. On that point, my average vote given is somewhere close to 5.0, which is a place I am comfortable with it.
BUT..........
Why have people been marking the Stupid Smiley face (:]) as helpful?? It clearly isn't. It gives no feedback. Recently there has been a push to increase the amount of comments. However, I feel a number of people are giving comments that are of little help, and are just doing them to boost the amount of comments or to get 100% comments in a challange. The immovable challenge was a prime example. I got plenty of comments, but very little substance in them (a few exeptions to this of course).
I support any moves for more comments, Provided the comments are Usful. I do not find Nice Shot, :], good photo is in anyway helpful. If you are going to comment, spend some time doing so. Mention what you like and don't like about the photo. Comment on things like the lighting, composition, Depth of Field, Colour, Post Processing, how it meets the challenge etc (don't have to do all of them, but something at least), but at least give the photographer something so that they know a little of what you are thinking, and what you either like or don't like, so that maybe they can use this feedback to improve. Don't aim to comment all the photos. Go through and vote (comment a few as you go) and come back during the week to add more comments. If you get 100% comments giving really insightful ones, I am sure the community will be very grateful.
The Perfect way to do this is to only mark the comments that are truely helpful as helpful, and to try and ensure the comments you give are helpful, insightful, and aimed at giving true feedback so the person can improve. |
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09/24/2008 03:12:01 AM · #18 |
Does anyone remember the "Great Job Baggie"? If I remember correctly, she left short comments as a place holder for herself to go back later and elaborate anyway, and as far as I could understand from what was being said in the forums at the time, she wasn't even low-balling those images with sub 3 votes. She was torn to shreds for leaving "Great job!" comments and was made to go back and change them otherwise she would have been in strife for artificially inflating her stats (or something like that).
So, what's good for the goose....... |
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09/24/2008 02:34:35 AM · #19 |
Votes Cast: 274
Avg Vote Cast: 2.3796
Nice to see the vote scrubber doing its job.
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09/23/2008 09:48:34 PM · #20 |
| I guess the second "baghead" comment was from someone who had previously voted and was now following up with comments. |
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09/23/2008 08:21:32 PM · #21 |
| Also, definitely a lot of good information here in the Tutorial section. There is a lot to take in at first but all the information on DPC appears to be very useful. A good community =] |
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09/23/2008 08:20:04 PM · #22 |
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09/23/2008 08:19:11 PM · #23 |
| My voting will be based on similar guideline systems that are posted on this thread, and each photo will be rated equally and on a much less of a hard scale than I originally had thought to do. Everyone's comments here were helpful to a new DPC user. |
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09/23/2008 08:17:07 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by stevewlk:
I actually haven't changed any of my votes nor added any new comments. So it's not me :P I only voted on 4 challenges (ever) and my votes stand the way I voted. But I have definitely acquired how DPC votes and how important leaving a helpful comment is so I won't be making that mistake in the future. I was just real excited to be on DPC and vote on some challenges, didn't understand the structure at the time but now I do. So with that said... =] |
Remembering my first days at DPC, I remember getting confusing posts on the forum (most of them helpful, I thanked many on my profile page, and some in the forums). I think Steve just needs some encouragement and guidance that I was lucky enough to get. It is just my opinion that a new member needs more guidance and encouragement than hard criticism... at least not until they understand how things work. Methinks give him a few challenges and he will shine.
Go Steve!
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09/23/2008 08:16:06 PM · #25 |
| I actually haven't changed any of my votes nor added any new comments. So it's not me :P I only voted on 4 challenges (ever) and my votes stand the way I voted. But I have definitely acquired how DPC votes and how important leaving a helpful comment is so I won't be making that mistake in the future. I was just real excited to be on DPC and vote on some challenges, didn't understand the structure at the time but now I do. So with that said... =] |
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