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 08/12/2002 01:56:05 AM · #1
Please don't revive such a long thread... starting a new one would be more appropriate. You can link to this one in your post.
 08/12/2002 01:29:47 AM · #2
I think it's time to revive this thread.

I know we all interpret things differently, but having just gone through all the submissions for the "Something New" challenge I was surprised at the number of images that IMHO do not fit the theme. Let's try to follow the following suggestions.

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I have a suggestion for everyone who posts photographs to these challenges... When you have your photograph ready to submit, bounce it off of some third party viewer before you post. Let them look at your photo BEFORE you tell them what it is for. After they have seen your photo, ask this person if they think it fits into a subject category of 'on the road' or whatever the challenge topic may be.

* This message has been edited by the author on 8/12/2002 1:30:33 AM.
 06/26/2002 05:30:41 PM · #3
Originally posted by nicowens:
I feel that photos should be scored on how well they fit the challenge. It's up to the photographer to realize that and also realize that most people don't spend ten minutes on a vote. The photographer should be the one to decide how easy to draw the connection. I would definitely vote higher on those entries that have slow connections but not impossible. The guy falling off the horse happens to be a quite nice and semi-easy connection to the "On the Road" challenge. I take challenges at face value and "On the Road" can have a myriad meanings.

I agree and think that some people are always going to be more abstract than others--which is cool. I like stuff that makes me think. But I also think that if you are going to take the time to vote on someone's picture--at least take the time to know what you are voting on! I never really thought about people (not) doing that until this last challenge. The score was not the problem at all---it was the fact that some people actually thought that the surfboard was a girl!?! It just made me realize that there are people out there that are just throwing votes around without really having a clue as to what they are voting on! Ah well.

 06/26/2002 03:35:43 PM · #4
I feel that photos should be scored on how well they fit the challenge. It's up to the photographer to realize that and also realize that most people don't spend ten minutes on a vote. The photographer should be the one to decide how easy to draw the connection. I would definitely vote higher on those entries that have slow connections but not impossible. The guy falling off the horse happens to be a quite nice and semi-easy connection to the "On the Road" challenge. I take challenges at face value and "On the Road" can have a myriad meanings.
 06/11/2002 02:39:38 PM · #5
Originally posted by KDJohnson:
so even if you dressed him up as a banana and he looked lonely and maybe a little like Elvis...we still shouldn't pick him up and take him home....is that where you're going with this?

heavens no :)

you should always assist a homeless banana :)



 06/11/2002 02:36:19 PM · #6
Originally posted by Zeissman:
[i]That comment is from a 16 year old from iceland that has yet to submit a picture (although I think he my be in the one). I would not worry about it too much. Maybe it was a long winter and he was tired of seeing white. It was a fine photograph.

Thank you for your support. I knew all along it wasn't a good shot. Just got crabby about that stupid comment! But, I am glad at least one person didn't hate it.



 06/11/2002 02:35:34 PM · #7
so even if you dressed him up as a banana and he looked lonely and maybe a little like Elvis...we still shouldn't pick him up and take him home....is that where you're going with this?
 06/11/2002 02:31:21 PM · #8
In fact, here are his last ten comments
High Tea 6/9/2002
Ugly

Please Pick Me 6/9/2002
Stop the kitty thing !

The Look 6/9/2002
Very cute...

Tree tulip 6/9/2002
No fealings in this pic !

How do I look ? 6/8/2002
Very bad...



06/11/2002 02:24:32 PM · #9
That comment is from a 16 year old from iceland that has yet to submit a picture (although I think he my be in the one). I would not worry about it too much. Maybe it was a long winter and he was tired of seeing white. It was a fine photograph.

Originally posted by Dangerous_blues:
IMO this comment had nothing to do with the any of the things you noted, and as you will see if you actually read my whole post, I have no problem with attacking a photograph on technical merit. Mine was lacking in several areas technically.

You simply missed my point.

But thank you for the link.


 06/11/2002 02:22:48 PM · #10
Hey now.. this is my critique lesson.. Hokie is showin me how to do it... get in line.. :D


 06/11/2002 02:15:36 PM · #11
Well, John, since you have posted a link to your photo of the railroad trestle several times I take it you would welcome a critique. Normally I simply just say "Great shot" or "Perfect," as I am not highly skilled in photography. Over the past six or eight weeks though, as I have read the comments of numerous pictures, both mine and others, I have learned a great deal about how to criticize photos. I would like to take a stab at yours.

First of all, the selection of this old bridge is a natural for black and white.(IMHO)
However, you may have noticed, the rails seem to get smaller the farther away they are in the picture. You should have corrected this, as we all know, the rails MUST stay the same distance apart or the train would derail. (not my opinion sir, FACT)
Also, it would have been much better if the trestle had been made of wood rather than steel and you should have taken the shot from the other end of the bridge.
I notice there is not a train in sight either. There should have been! How could you have left out such a feature? Not just any train either. MUST be a steam locomotive.
One with billowing smoke and huge blasts of steam blowing out the sides. You should have taken the picture at night too, with the engine's headlight shinning and making a beam of light in a slightly foggy, spooky night.
This bridge is soooo typical too. You should find one with a curve or two, and a hill.

You know John, when I first saw the photo I really, really liked it. But now that I have critiqued it I am not so sure anymore. You should go back and re-shoot it as I suggest and see if you don't like it better. Please resubmit when you have corrected all your errors. I'll bet you will get better reviews next time.
Of course these are just my opinions. Other folks may have a different idea of the quality. We all see things a little differently. Better luck in the next challenge.


You still have work to do John-----Leave Gordon alone and get to work fleahopper.
 06/11/2002 01:59:54 PM · #12
Gordon,

Your bananas don't look happy. I sense that they are emotionally distraught and they also look neglected. These are senior citizen bananas and they are withering away in the dark depths of some rest home called "Shady Acres" on a dead end road. Let's not abandon these banananananas.. Let's peel and slice and put them in a nice cheery bowl of corn flakes. This will revitalize these bananas and make them happy again. I know, deep in my heart, that you did not intend to neglect these bananas, so there is hope for you yet, grasshopper :)

 06/11/2002 01:45:35 PM · #13
After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion you are all
06/11/2002 12:32:00 PM · #14
BTW - That wasn't a photograph of a leaf... it was a photograph of photosynthesis and condensation :)


Originally posted by hokie:
No...no...I get where you are coming from! You are here to antagonize us defenseless "artistes" and hold our bizarre tribal rituals up for the shallow and self absorbed bullsh1t they really are!!

Ohhhh yeah, I see you and your "perfect" macro photographing hoardes coming to throw us out on our ears and don't think I missed that veiled allusion you are making with the banana stuff either buddy!!

Trying to hide behind quality photographing technique will not keep me from seeing your ultimate plans my dear jm..no sirrreeeee bob!!

:-)


 06/11/2002 12:06:55 PM · #15
No...no...I get where you are coming from! You are here to antagonize us defenseless "artistes" and hold our bizarre tribal rituals up for the shallow and self absorbed bullsh1t they really are!!

Ohhhh yeah, I see you and your "perfect" macro photographing hoardes coming to throw us out on our ears and don't think I missed that veiled allusion you are making with the banana stuff either buddy!!

Trying to hide behind quality photographing technique will not keep me from seeing your ultimate plans my dear jm..no sirrreeeee bob!!

:-)
 06/11/2002 11:59:41 AM · #16
Hokie, u know i'm jus messin with ya rite?

:)


Originally posted by hokie:
John...how dare you trivialize my deep and sincere emotional attachment to all of you dear artist photographs!

If you named that banana, like ..maybe Charlie or Old Yeller I might just tear up!!!

Actually, a yes jm... I will agree that a banana sitting on a table with its life story in the title would break the bind to the challenge..Unless that table were itself sitting on the road. Then I would give it a 10 :-P


 06/11/2002 11:58:44 AM · #17
Originally posted by KDJohnson:
Depends...what was the banana wearing

This banana is wearing an Elvis costume :)
 06/11/2002 11:48:43 AM · #18
John...how dare you trivialize my deep and sincere emotional attachment to all of you dear artist photographs!

If you named that banana, like ..maybe Charlie or Old Yeller I might just tear up!!!

Actually, a yes jm... I will agree that a banana sitting on a table with its life story in the title would break the bind to the challenge..Unless that table were itself sitting on the road. Then I would give it a 10 :-P
 06/11/2002 11:47:45 AM · #19
Depends...what was the banana wearing?

* This message has been edited by the author on 6/11/2002 11:48:28 AM.
 06/11/2002 11:42:58 AM · #20
lol@screwball method.. i have one for sure :)

I don't think that we are far off base on how our voting compares... Maybe on the issue of the title, I read too deeply into the site rules where it says the title should not save the photo... :)

I made a comment somewhere in this thread about taking a photo of a banana on my kitchen table and naming it "I found this banana on the side of the road while driving home from work today... The traffic was quite heavy and I almost got killed when I stopped to pick it up. I had to stop because the banana looked lonely."... If I presented this photo before you in this challenge, and the photograph was quite visually appealing and just a generally well-executed photo, would you score it well? Let's say that this photo 'moved' your emotions to the point where you just stared in awe at the photo... You are amazed by the visual impact... You are deep in thought about how lonely this banana must have been on the side of the road... You find yourself empathizing with the banana and tears start streaming.... You start wondering how this photographer could have possibly been so in tune with the stars to produce this concept as an image...

I sorta doubt that I would go for it...

:)




I score in subjective impact as well... I have scored some 10s on photos that ended up with an average below 5 in the end...


 06/11/2002 11:41:48 AM · #21
Originally posted by gr8photos:
John, I agree with you. If people post their photos here for voting and comments, then they are likely to get comments like ''I don''t get it'' if the connection to the challenge isn''t one that many people would make. There''s nothing wrong with either posting that photo, or making that comment. It just shows that not all people make the same connection when looking at the same photo. And life would be boring if everyone did think the same.

If the photographer takes that photo only for him/herself and not to find out what others think, why post?



Why post? Well, human curiosity of what your stuff looks like compared to others. A meeting of the minds. Just for general consumption.

I (meaning me..personally) see the challenge more like a weekly gallery expo, a chance to exhibit with a theme.

Why to post, let me count the ways.

If you aren't doing the art for yourself why make it?

Gr8photos, I see your photos posted on several sites so that is your thing which is cool too. A different but legitiamte purpose.


 06/11/2002 11:37:21 AM · #22
Thanks for sharing how you did that one!
 06/11/2002 11:36:20 AM · #23
I have a bunch of numbers in a hat. Look at the picture, pull a number, make up a comment, and go.





(Just kidding).
 06/11/2002 11:29:43 AM · #24
Well JM...to keep my post more related to scoring or judging than philosphy.( a major accomplishment hehe).

Of course there is a challenge. The very name of the site is DP Challenge. You won last week so you as much as anybody should know what it takes to compete here and how to meet the challenge.

I assume (sorta arrogant isnt it heh) that the person taking the photo had a connection to the challenge in his mind. I don't worry about a basic meeting of the challenge. That is assumed.

I don't have a simple scoring method. I just walk around the gallery the first time throwing scores around like Pollock throwing paint.

Then I look at the gallery a second time more thoughtful. I now have a feeling of where this gallery of photos is going and now it's time to seperate them some more. If a photo is just damn striking I cannot lie..it's gonna score well with me. I love beautiful cars, powerful music, great looking women, great conversation and interesting/striking artwork...so sue me!!!

I have heard some folks say the title of a photo should not save a photo...why not? If the title makes you go...Coool...and the artist chose the title as much as he chose the photo why shouldn't that count. But be careful because a stupid title can kill you ( I hated my last title C'est La Vie but wine was talking when I did it..bugger off!!)

Back to the challenge part. If your photo just nails the topic in a way that adds to the photo's depth..you get BONUS points. Meaning you get stuff added to my mental scoring/grading. By the way..I don't work with a set scoring number...just a rolling rating. Nubmer are for accountants :-)

I'll grade my last photo in exactly the way I grade everybody else.

"Hmmm...interesting shape, I like the white stuff and the way the tape thingy seems to trail off into the distance. Pretty good focus and use of depth of field.
How did he do that? Ohhhh. I see. He taped the thingy to a reflective board. Oh man, I can see the tape a bit..He should have seen that. Love, Joy and Peace?...C'est La Vie..what's he smoking?. He should have called it "Dreaming". I like the way he faked the blur by using the rough texture of the reflector board..nice. And that white stuff...yeah..YEAH! I get it!. It starts to look like clouds and the tape thingy is floating above the clouds into space!! Oh man..too much Stars Wars for me..blechhhh But cool, I'll cut him some slack on technical acheivement. Oh..BTW..it is in black in white and not a bad use of it, contrast is good and he used the white of the 'clouds' and the black of 'space' and the grey of the word thingy so it seperated cleanly. Errm.. I'll give him a ..... "

You didn't think I was going to tell you MY grade of MY work now did you :-P

See, I look at the challenge but more in how it helps the photo..not as in a checklist of points. It's just my way and it is copyrighted, get your own screwball method :-P

 06/11/2002 10:57:57 AM · #25
BTW- If I think the challenge is not met, the photo can still score as high as a 5 if the photo meets my idea of a good photo... I don't give ones anymore... but if i can't determine the relationship to the challenge, I don't score any higher than a 5...
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