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02/04/2008 08:13:53 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
I can't believe that anyone would rate Tim's red cardinal a 1. Even if you don't like red cardinals there's no way that is a bad photograph. Average at worst with no appeal but never bad. |
I agree, but the last time that I mentioned 1's and 2's, and the word 'trolls' in the same sentence regarding someone else's photo that I thought was fantastic I really got hammered. |
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02/04/2008 07:40:14 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
that's all I think, that's why threads for, no? |
Totally. I've vented my frustrations in numerous threads for a couple of previous shots (Best of 07 in partic). I got a really nice warning e-mail from one of the SC yesterday for a pointed message...basically saying that heated and topical debate is healthy but there is a line. You weren't anywhere near that line imho. I don't know if this will help you at all but I was really quite surprised at the eventual ribboners, and my 'predictive' track record has been pretty good (e.g. when I sort challenge by my vote the ribbons are often in the top 5-10) - but not this time. Had I not scored well myself I probably would have been a bit frustrated in truth.
This was always going to be an Eye Candy event too...mustn't forget that (or rather imho!). I think most people that tried to do something a bit more edgy or interpretative will have especially suffered in this challenge because of the relative contrast between 'oooh pretty' and moody. I'm starting to learn that there are certain challenges geared towards interpretative and others towards eye candy and to decide how arty I want to be as a function of it.
Oh, and I'd still investigate the <4s on the ribbon images just to make sure they are genuine dislikes and not blatant trolling. I can't believe that anyone would rate Tim's red cardinal a 1. Even if you don't like red cardinals there's no way that is a bad photograph. Average at worst with no appeal but never bad. In fact very good because of the consensus and high scores/comments from excellent photographers. Something is wrong when people can get away with that kind of behaviour on a site like this. But I don't want to start a whole new troll thread again.
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02/04/2008 02:41:29 AM · #3 |
| And it's still a LOT more than most of us get to see - so please do share them. Those are pretty cool shots! |
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02/04/2008 02:05:41 AM · #4 |
| I hang on to almost all my shots, even the ones i screwed up and go back and look at them from time to time. AS a learning process and a reminder of the fun of the moment, because like you said, even if you miss it it was still exciting. |
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02/04/2008 02:01:23 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Cool shots, defintely awsome. I have these two shots that I think alot of people would appreciate but I love them for the story.   . We need to start a Nature thread like they have for sports shooting for people to share their storys and pics like these that might not get mainstream approval or acceptance but the rest of the nature shooters can relate to and appreciate. |
Even with the wrong ISO (slow shutter) they are nice to capture none the less. I know what it is like to be caught with the wrong settings in a situation like that. I normally think about it after the excitment is over and kick myself. Even the almost shots are fun though. |
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02/04/2008 01:56:42 AM · #6 |
Cool shots, defintely awsome. I have these two shots that I think alot of people would appreciate but I love them for the story. . We need to start a Nature thread like they have for sports shooting for people to share their storys and pics like these that might not get mainstream approval or acceptance but the rest of the nature shooters can relate to and appreciate. |
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02/04/2008 01:45:45 AM · #7 |
Hey Leo - I get your shot but without the rest of the story it is hard for some to follow along. As an example I got this series yesterday but the one of the actual snag of dinner was out of focus. Any of these without the rest is just another shot:
  
BTW - this was a quick and dirty edit as I have not had time to work on them. I just did it to upload for this thread.
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02/04/2008 01:25:14 AM · #8 |
 trevytrev, my words are not to everyone... trust me, I am not a person who tells things like that all the time... Here is a sample, and you tell me if I did say something awfully wrong here.
"1? this got a 1? You know what I mean when I say "some people here are really stoneheads"... HEY, whoever gave "1" to this photo, McDonalds hiring, did you know? A very nice photo, i don't even know why 3's and 4's here tissk tissk..."
(I am NOT comparing the image with mine, I am just giving you a sample what I called "some people" here... and they do deserve, you know that.)
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02/04/2008 01:19:34 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I am angry about most people did not see what I saw |
Yep...that's the real trick isn't it?!
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Yeap... and as you can see from the post, I wasn't the only one seeing things. What is that mean? it means something and I want to find out by digging like this... I want to see what others think after I told what I think... I hear "I cry" too much, but that's me, if something bothers me, I tell people what I feel. If I don't, something probably bother others also goes under the rug for longer time.
Think about it. People commented on my photo, and I tell what I think, so... people either think and say "hmm, might be a point there" or just say "yeah whatever" and move on. and I want to know how many people will agree with me.
that's all I think, that's why threads for, no? |
I don't think you are crying at all. I do think you like your shot and it means more to you than it did to some others and you seem a bit frustrated by that, understandable. I don't think, however, that stating people are blind b/c they didn't get the message/story you were trying to tell come across very well. I'm going to be honest, your shot looks like a couple dozen shots I have of Raptors that I tried to get close to and flew the roost to get away from me. For all I know it's just another picture that I have sitting in my files of some bird fleeing from me. But there is more to the story that you know that we don't, there is a major piece of the story missing in this picture that only you know. Before calling people blind and chastising them, maybe consider the story wasn't told as well as it could have been or consider that even with the story they don't like it, doesn't make them blind. AS a side bar watching a raptor hunt is one of the coolest thing one can watch, imo, and you have that to keep. Trevor~ |
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02/04/2008 12:55:20 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I am angry about most people did not see what I saw |
Yep...that's the real trick isn't it?!
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Yeap... and as you can see from the post, I wasn't the only one seeing things. What is that mean? it means something and I want to find out by digging like this... I want to see what others think after I told what I think... I hear "I cry" too much, but that's me, if something bothers me, I tell people what I feel. If I don't, something probably bother others also goes under the rug for longer time.
Think about it. People commented on my photo, and I tell what I think, so... people either think and say "hmm, might be a point there" or just say "yeah whatever" and move on. and I want to know how many people will agree with me.
that's all I think, that's why threads for, no? |
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02/04/2008 12:49:07 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I am angry about most people did not see what I saw |
Yep...that's the real trick isn't it?!
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02/04/2008 12:46:12 AM · #12 |
If one doesn't understand the story, is that the fault of the storyteller or the listener/viewer? (or maybe both :) )
I enjoy photos that tell stories, but I also like ones that show me things I don't normally see, or from a vantage point I don't normally get.
I like a photo that makes me feel, however it brings that about.
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02/04/2008 12:44:25 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
The challenge was simply "Birds" not "Tell a story with your picture about birds" or anything similar. Granted it's personal choice and artistic license as to how much your photo tells a story or creates a scene, but photography is also about factual representation as well as story telling.
You're mad at the low score - I get that bit...I blew my top about one of my favourite shots from 07 that wasn't well received. But learn from it, rather than painting yourself into a corner with strong "political" views. Also, what's wrong with doing both? Does it have to be one or the other?
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I do understand what you saying, I am not angry about my low point... I am angry about most people did not see what I saw, and it is a bird with a story... even though it doesn't say "bird with a story" challenge, doesn't make it DNMC... there is a bird plus.
Here is other one from me which won third place  ... lighting is good here but it is a story. This image is a story with good lighting...
I do have another in one of the challenges, which technically very good... I will talk about it too after the challenge is over and you probably will see what I mean. Some of the comments for the other photo is "technically perfect, but it is boring"... hey, I did whatever the challenge said I should do, why is it boring now. If it is technically perfect, and matches to the challenge, I should get 10 all over.
Anyway, I do believe many people here even scared to vote something they think could be a good image but probably is not good for the challenge, which hurts some of the photos.
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02/04/2008 12:32:27 AM · #14 |
The challenge was simply "Birds" not "Tell a story with your picture about birds" or anything similar. Granted it's personal choice and artistic license as to how much your photo tells a story or creates a scene, but photography is also about factual representation as well as story telling.
You're mad at the low score - I get that bit...I blew my top about one of my favourite shots from 07 that wasn't well received. But learn from it, rather than painting yourself into a corner with strong "political" views. Also, what's wrong with doing both? Does it have to be one or the other?
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02/04/2008 12:18:08 AM · #15 |
Statement (as I promissed):
To those who think this picture is just another "photo", I feel sorry for you because this is more than a "photo", it's a story teller. It's more than a black backward predator. This bird has a mission which just happens to see... it has a prey that about the kill. Catching that moment is one thing, putting in B&W and making the story more dramatic is other. What would you like to see? which are the winners, probably very colorful sharp images. It's ok, no problem with that... My words only to those thought that I didn't give what I should of give to DPC voters.
I dare those people... actually I challenge those people to catch similar moment with their lenses and bring to us. Most can't because they don't know how to tell a good story.
Photographers eyes goes through the lenses, here is what else you should learn: your photographs should start from your subjects, go through lenses and your eyes and reach to your imagination.
Shadows, lighting, sharpness... technical stuff, are only %30 of great photos. Why do you think grainy photos makes the largest galleries in Europe, why do you think some photos you thought worthless keep coming to first page of largest magazines? Because of "imagination", the "story"... the "inner beauty".
 booboo_goon - "I hope other can see it what I see, you must know how they are"
EstimatedEyes - "I think this one is going to get overlooked"
 Melethia - "I love the natural framing and the sense of impending doom for some small critter out there"
UrfaTheGreat - "love the atmosphere"
Visit those people and get some idea of "imagination"... technical part is easy; you can't capture imagination, story by setting your camera perfectly...
You think whatever you want to think I guess, I feel sorry for you to be half blind...
My photo will decorate my first page for a long time. If you didn't see what you miss, check it out whenever you want and never be afraid of learning.
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Message edited by author 2008-02-04 00:34:00. |
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02/03/2008 11:58:17 PM · #16 |
| No, it's not just Gatorguy. My score has started dropping in the last 30 minutes also. It had been rising all week or staying even since Tuesday and suddenly it is now at it's lowest point since Tuesday. |
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02/03/2008 11:49:57 PM · #17 |
It's not just you - i've been spamming the update button and watching my very nice score slipping relatively hard considering there's so many votes behind it. Makes me suspicious/paranoid/unlucky...
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02/03/2008 11:48:39 PM · #18 |
my image which has been running above 7 the whole time has fallen half a point in the last 20 minutes. Makes me think there are people with motivations to see some scores drop. Hmmmmm
It's a pity. |
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02/03/2008 11:30:05 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by Judi:
My out of the box birdie fell in a pile of feathers!! |
Well at least it was a soft landing. I hope anyway.
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Well with all the mud around after the floods it had to be.:):):)
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02/03/2008 09:22:38 PM · #20 |
I'm just trying to get something to post into the Perfect Integer thread :O)
Votes: 204
Views: 353
Avg Vote: 6.0000
Comments: 15
Favorites: 2 <-- sweeeeeet
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02/03/2008 08:34:23 PM · #21 |
Considering I was predicting a 5.3, I'm satisfied :)
Votes: 196
Views: 314
Avg Vote: 5.7143
Comments: 11
No faves, though :( |
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02/03/2008 08:19:53 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Ok, Steve, one last check-in.
Votes: 197
Views: 359
Avg Vote: 6.7716
Comments: 17
Favorites: 1 |
Only 17 comments with a score like that Jeffrey ??
Here's mine:
Votes: 202
Views: 356
Avg Vote: 5.8416
Comments: 24
Favorites: 1 <---- Made my day!
Can't wait to see Avg (commenters) vs. Avg (camera) vs. Avg (no camera) on this one. |
I'm not overly surprised, Brad. My shot's solid, but it's not particularly unusual.
But you getting so many with that score is very cool! And faves are always wonderful. :) |
It's going to be interesting to go back through this thread tomorrow and correlate the entries with the posts in this thread. I'm very curious to see which entries belong to everybody. |
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02/03/2008 08:06:58 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Ok, Steve, one last check-in.
Votes: 197
Views: 359
Avg Vote: 6.7716
Comments: 17
Favorites: 1 |
Only 17 comments with a score like that Jeffrey ??
Here's mine:
Votes: 202
Views: 356
Avg Vote: 5.8416
Comments: 24
Favorites: 1 <---- Made my day!
Can't wait to see Avg (commenters) vs. Avg (camera) vs. Avg (no camera) on this one. |
I'm not overly surprised, Brad. My shot's solid, but it's not particularly unusual.
But you getting so many with that score is very cool! And faves are always wonderful. :)
Message edited by author 2008-02-03 20:07:15.
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02/03/2008 06:04:53 PM · #24 |
I too found the quality of the bird shots to be really, really high. A plus 7 will win this one for sure. I suspect I'll be in the middle of the pack with this score:
Votes: 206
Views: 330
Avg Vote: 6.5146
Comments: 14
Favorites: 3
But I love those 3 faves! |
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02/03/2008 06:01:38 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
No personal best here. But it should make it into my top 7 (I view 7 on my page). SHould be an inetersting rollover for sure. |
In that case we're probably *really* close. There's a load of other people conspicuously absent from the voting thread this time out and I found the general quality to be really high. I'm setting my expectations low (no ribbon) and if I get one I'll be chuffed. Whatever happens this will destroy my PB by almost a whole point and my first 7 so it's gonna be a party whatever happens :)
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Message edited by author 2008-02-03 18:02:29. |
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