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02/24/2004 06:40:19 PM · #1
I`ve noticed, like others, the change in voting patterns over the last few weeks and actually mentioned it in another thread around the time of the "Garage Art" challenge.
I found a lot of really good images well down the list and couldn`t figure out what was happening.

I`m now beginning to wonder if it is a "Photoshop Paranoia" that`s taking over the site.
I actually received a mail today which included an apology for voting my "Four Elements" submission low because the person was convinced it had been manipulated. However, after seeing the original and realising it had only been cropped, they felt an apology was in order...(which says a lot for that persons integrity.)
Could this be part of the reason for the quality images that are not fulfilling their promise ?
02/24/2004 06:34:33 PM · #2
Originally posted by JasonPR:

I finally won my first ribbon last week and in all honesty it's not one of my personal favorites. I just figured out how to get a little "wow" and knew it was going to do well. I am very pleased about it. I was sick and tired of not being a ribbon winner :) and now it gives me the chance to relax and go back to submitting shots that are in my more artistic, meaningful, and often humorous, non-traditional style for a while.


I, for one, really love your photographic sensibility. Too many wine, grapes and cheese shots in this world already, anyway. Don't change a thing, please. :)

Catherine
02/24/2004 05:55:04 PM · #3
Originally posted by ccraft:

I don't own any of the nose editing plug-ins..


LOL. I'm trying to imagine what sort of device that is. :)
02/24/2004 05:49:39 PM · #4
I've had a few people ask me if the two photos I entered in the current challenges have been digitally manipulated. I don't own any of the nose editing plug-ins and I usually only crop a photo and maybe change the colour levels slightly. Unfortunately, I think my votes this week reflected this. I'm almost thinking I may put something in brackets in the title like, (No PhotoShopping) just so people know they're looking at a photograph and not digital art. It's too bad the photographer's comments can't be included with the photograph so people can make a more informed decision when they vote.
02/24/2004 12:09:38 AM · #5
what value? whose value? according to whom? value is a everchanging form of judging things.. everything has different values resting on different grounds.. now lets not go on a route to say that the challenges are just BS without any value attached to the ribbon winners... people get to vote and highest rating photo comes up on top..
simple as that..
02/23/2004 09:32:27 PM · #6
good tude Jason!
02/23/2004 08:48:31 PM · #7
I hope you people don't expect these challenges to really reflect the value of all pictures.
02/23/2004 08:45:12 PM · #8
Thanks pitsaman! I was actually surprised my photo got a 5.8. Having been on here for a while I've come to some realizations about what the masses want to see and I didn't expect my shot was it. I was very happy with the photo and that's what mattered.

I finally won my first ribbon last week and in all honesty it's not one of my personal favorites. I just figured out how to get a little "wow" and knew it was going to do well. I am very pleased about it. I was sick and tired of not being a ribbon winner :) and now it gives me the chance to relax and go back to submitting shots that are in my more artistic, meaningful, and often humorous, non-traditional style for a while. (although competing for ribbons may prove to be just as addictive as DPC in general...)

Receiving a 10 from pitsaman and recognition in the forums is reward enough for me!
02/23/2004 08:35:29 PM · #9
Originally posted by pitsaman:

Originally posted by dsa157:


Dave "Crooked Candle" April

Your candle is straight ! {I think} :-)


I guess I must have been paranoid or have low self esteem...

or both. :)

Dave
02/23/2004 08:17:39 PM · #10
Originally posted by deafwolf:

Kosta, I've said this all along. I think your voting score should be visible to the public when you vote on someone’s image. If someone wants to shoot down a great image, like I've seen too many times, then everyone will know who is doing it. It won't take long for people to catch on to who is cheating or just running through without looking. If anyone asked me what I scored their picture I would be happy to tell them and why. Accountability!! That’s what the voting process needs.


I've been on many of these sites where the voting is not anonymous, and then people vote to please each other, and to get reciprocally high votes. Voting is also a popularity contest. That's one of the reasons I am here instead of there.
02/23/2004 07:57:04 PM · #11
Originally posted by dsa157:

[quote=rgarciah55]

Dave "Crooked Candle" April

Your candle is straight ! {I think} :-)
02/23/2004 07:03:59 PM · #12
Kosta, I've said this all along. I think your voting score should be visible to the public when you vote on someone’s image. If someone wants to shoot down a great image, like I've seen too many times, then everyone will know who is doing it. It won't take long for people to catch on to who is cheating or just running through without looking. If anyone asked me what I scored their picture I would be happy to tell them and why. Accountability!! That’s what the voting process needs.
02/23/2004 06:50:17 PM · #13
lets say: "none of us is as stupid as all of us" as a resolution... because it seems every one individual thinks he knows better... than everyone together must know wrong...
mehmet


And that is a freighting thought…
02/23/2004 06:30:48 PM · #14


I never dreamed my photo of the Palm trees and flowers in the fog would cause such a Stir. I know it was not a 'picture perfect' picture, I had others shot that day that were better technically, but not as interesting. So I thought I would post it to see if others liked it in spite of the technical flaws. They did and I am pleased.

I do appreciate all the comments. They are helpful, this is a good place for learning.

Message edited by author 2004-02-23 18:35:19.
02/23/2004 04:20:34 PM · #15
Probably both. A case could be made for either if someone wanted to.
02/23/2004 03:46:15 PM · #16
Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by Gordon:

and how was your average for '03 ?

6.625


So do you think it is the pictures that have changed, or the eye viewing them ?

I know I'm either getting more sophisticated, more experienced, more discerning or more jaded and as a result my tolerence for 'bad' photography is going down, along with my average vote.

Many of the things that annoy me or stand out in my earlier photos are things that I didn't even know to notice then. There is a whole other debate to be had about if that means you are becoming a better photographer or more out of touch with what the typical viewer sees...
02/23/2004 03:44:22 PM · #17
Originally posted by jonpink:

Everyone has their favorites. I always think I can guess the top 3 and are always suprised to see them lower.

This was my pick for the top 3.


Thank you! :)
02/23/2004 03:09:35 PM · #18
Originally posted by Gordon:

and how was your average for '03 ?

6.625
02/23/2004 01:23:18 PM · #19
Originally posted by pitsaman:

But I do think the voting is very much cliche driven,photos with literal representation and little quality are getting better scores :-(


Pitsaman, Pitsaman, Pitsaman..tsk tsk *shakes head* Have I tought you NOTHING!?! Sigh, of course literalisms are all the rage..where HAVE you been? I think we were both hiding behind the door when the Powers That Be held out a box and said "okay! Now everyone get in! No shoving..form a line.."
02/23/2004 01:02:45 PM · #20
Originally posted by jonpink:

Everyone has their favorites. I always think I can guess the top 3 and are always suprised to see them lower.

This was my pick for the top 3.

Thanks for the mention Jon - nice to be in such esteemed company. ;)

Well done on your yellow Gif!
02/23/2004 11:15:03 AM · #21
I must have the taste of the masses as I usually vote the top 10 higher than the others..

Message edited by author 2004-02-23 11:15:19.
02/23/2004 10:33:47 AM · #22
Originally posted by coolhar:

That commenters vote higher than non-commenters is not a new trend. I think it has always been like that.

I just did a little math and found that my average vote on a ribbon winner for a challenge ending in '04 is 5.4318. To me that means that I have ranked the ones that the group has liked best as slightly below average.



and how was your average for '03 ?
02/23/2004 10:24:27 AM · #23
You cant please everyone, and DPC is a perfect place to learn this. No matter how good or bad or creative or bland or if its just a quick snap or aomething I haxe worked for a week on I get 5.3 to 5.5 point spread EVERY week. Also I constantly get comments that have nothing to do with the quality of the shot... Im sure others have this same problem. My advice, do it to please yourself and have fun. If your not thick skinned you cant hang with this group. IMO!
02/23/2004 10:09:03 AM · #24
I have noticed in the last 4 challenges that, of the high scorers, I am voting only 1 or 2 as top three....other than that, the photos I have been voting higher on are ending up more towards the middle to lower end. Whats up with that? I wonder if my opinion of what a good photo is, is changing, compared to the masses here.
02/23/2004 10:00:28 AM · #25
That commenters vote higher than non-commenters is not a new trend. I think it has always been like that.

I just did a little math and found that my average vote on a ribbon winner for a challenge ending in '04 is 5.4318. To me that means that I have ranked the ones that the group has liked best as slightly below average.

I agree with pitsaman. There have been a lot of well above average photos that were outscored by lesser quality shots recently. I would put the two he posted in that catergory, and could easily find a couple dozen more. I don't understand why this is. Can't really connect it to the new rules.
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