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06/04/2002 07:03:15 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by clay:
clay/ryan/jon would murder the pope at langdons request. he is our god. i am indifferent to drew
They would also probalby photograph the event an post it here as well...
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06/04/2002 07:00:20 PM · #2 |
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06/04/2002 06:44:43 PM · #3 |
| clay/ryan/jon would murder the pope at langdons request. he is our god. i am indifferent to drew |
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06/04/2002 03:31:58 PM · #4 |
I agree, GeneralIE, and I''m trying to be more concientious (sp?) about it. On the other hand, don''t people know by now that it''s all about perception and (at least with most votes/comments) there''s no malicious intent, just the perception of the person commenting? If we tapdance around every little comment like that, we''d be writing essays every time we comment.
Here''s my new official disclaimer: "I am commenting on what I perceive in your picture. Things that you may have done deliberately, or have no control over, may be things that I comment on. This is not done out of malicious intent, to skew votes, or to upset you. It''s simply my very humble personal opinion. If you don''t agree, please don''t take it personal, just ignore what I said. ;)
Oh, forgot one more thing. If you get some wise-crack comment, it''s not from me (at least not intentionally, just keep in mind that language/culture barrier thingy), but you should feel free to ignore those, too.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by gr8photos:
[i]I am guilty of sometimes commenting that a picture is too dark/too light. I have not gone through extensive monitor calibrations...
Then there''s the matter of personal taste as always, my "too dark" may be your "just right and intriguing"...
I try to preface all of my comments regarding brightness/contrast with "on my monitor..." I also try to acknowledge that, while I may have adjusted the image differently, they may have had a reason for deliberately leaving it the way it is which I don''t get (at the time).[/i]
* This message has been edited by the author on 6/4/2002 3:33:25 PM.
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06/04/2002 02:43:33 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by gr8photos:
I am guilty of sometimes commenting that a picture is too dark/too light. I have not gone through extensive monitor calibrations...
Then there's the matter of personal taste as always, my "too dark" may be your "just right and intriguing"...
I try to preface all of my comments regarding brightness/contrast with "on my monitor..." I also try to acknowledge that, while I may have adjusted the image differently, they may have had a reason for deliberately leaving it the way it is which I don't get (at the time). |
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06/04/2002 02:42:45 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Dogman:
I am a newbie to digital photography and don't pretend to know much about the technical side, however I do make comment If I think it may be useful. So far, I have 120 votes and only 7 comments, most of which are good. What gets me is when some1 makes a comment about the lack of technique in my photo but does not qualify the comment by explaining how to improve it. There are a lot of experienced photographers in here and yes I appreciate the time constraints, but please, if you see something wrong don't just say it lacks tehnique. Tell me how to improve it.
It is not how new you are or how much you know. If a photo does not work for you, and you think you know why, say so. There will be others who it will work for but we are all different. That's why all ice cream isn't chocolate.
bryan
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06/04/2002 02:37:29 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Maybe we should add something to the vote thumbnails page that would get users to check their monitors. Hmmmm ... :)
See if you can display a small gray scale (10-24 steps) just above or below the photo title on the full-size vote page. Someone posted one in an earlier thread, or it's easy enough to make one in Photoshop.
Also, I STILL think it would be useful if the photographer's non-identifying comments on the image appeared in the vote page, instead of waiting until the results page. MANY comments people leave about contrast, brightness, DOF, blurriness, etc. would be pre-empted, and poeple could spend their time advising the photographer about things of which they're not already aware. I don't think this should be a test for voters either ("spot the three things wrong with this picture")... |
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06/04/2002 02:16:21 PM · #8 |
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06/04/2002 01:22:21 PM · #9 |
Sorry about that, Dogman. I guess I read "What gets me is when some1 makes a comment about the lack of technique in my photo but does not qualify the comment by explaining how to improve it." and thought you meant really explain how to improve it. I do try to be as helpful as time allows, but with all the extra pics this week I'm starting to get a little terse.
Drew - two excellent ideas of your up there.
Hokie - you took the words right out of my mouth, you old dustfarter. {g}
Lisae - One of the things I loved about my old camera (and am learning to love about my new one) is how to get around technical limitations. The lengths to which you go when you need to force the camera to do what you want it to are often directly proportional to the creativity in the work you do. Of course, there are some things that are really beyond your control, but I found that the challenge of taming the camera by somehow changing the situation outside the camera taught me about why and when to use, say, spot metering or focus lock. Learning how is easy after that. Making a vision out of what you have at hand is where it's at.
Night, all. |
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06/04/2002 12:55:12 PM · #10 |
I am guilty of sometimes commenting that a picture is too dark/too light. I have not gone through extensive monitor calibrations, but most photos look ok, so I am making the assumption that those that look dark/light indeed are dark/light. Sorry if you don't agree.
Then there's the matter of personal taste as always, my "too dark" may be your "just right and intriguing"...
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06/04/2002 12:18:48 PM · #11 |
| Maybe we should add something to the vote thumbnails page that would get users to check their monitors. Hmmmm ... :) |
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06/04/2002 12:05:41 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by w.brian.martin:
What is frustrating me, is I am getting a lot of very detailed comments on how to improve my photo. Using a reflector, adjusting the gamma, etc. But I believe the problems is really monitor calibration. It get comments that there is not detail on my subject, but if someone would just turn up the brightness on their monitor, they may be able to see the picture as I do. Oh well, live and learn. Next time I will use lower contrast.
Don't bother. I got the "photo is too dark" comments on my first two images. This time, I purposely left the image lighter to avoid those kinds of comments, and I'm getting that there is not enough contrast. I give up.
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06/04/2002 11:49:58 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by w.brian.martin:
What is frustrating me, is I am getting a lot of very detailed comments on how to improve my photo. Using a reflector, adjusting the gamma, etc. But I believe the problems is really monitor calibration. It get comments that there is not detail on my subject, but if someone would just turn up the brightness on their monitor, they may be able to see the picture as I do. Oh well, live and learn. Next time I will use lower contrast.
hey w.brian...tell you what..click on my name and send me an email and tell me which photo is yours. I would be curious to see what you are talking about.
BTW....my knowing his photo is no worse than spouses voting each other's photos or grandmas voting on grandkids :-P
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06/04/2002 11:44:29 AM · #14 |
What is frustrating me, is I am getting a lot of very detailed comments on how to improve my photo. Using a reflector, adjusting the gamma, etc. But I believe the problems is really monitor calibration. It get comments that there is not detail on my subject, but if someone would just turn up the brightness on their monitor, they may be able to see the picture as I do. Oh well, live and learn. Next time I will use lower contrast.
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06/04/2002 11:39:37 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by bhop73:
Sounds like we're in a similar situation here. My camera is a low end camera as well. It's basically a point and shoot with hardly any features at all. While I am a newbie to dpchallenge, i'm not necessarily a newbie in photography. My pics with my slr cameras usually are 10X better than my digi, but because of my cameras limitations, i'm not usually very happy with my pics in comparison. However, I still have fun with the contests on this site (even though this is only my 2nd). I do find some of the comments helpful, but I agree that it can be annoying when people comment on stuff you have no control over.
YES!
Here is a photo I took with my slr camera (which was stolen at the beginning of the year >:|), and developed and printed myself in the dark room. Excuse the blotches, dust, etc. from the negative and the scanner... I'm sloppy, I know. But you can see from that photo that I at least know how to achieve depth of field, I am capable of focussing correctly, etc. if I have the ability to control these things. I can't do that with my digital camera, but on the other hand I can go out and take any crazy photo I want and see it instantly, throw it away if it's bad and keep the ones that I find pleasing. This means I'm far more open to experimentation. I love that! |
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06/04/2002 11:34:11 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by clay:
the internet is a wealth of incorrect information. its too bad that landgon and drew cant own the internet. they could censor, adjust, prod, delete, withdraw, and ban people from use. then they could rewrite it so that even idiots who dont like naughty words would be happy.
Clay..it's too bad that this rift exists between you/ryan/jon and drew/langdon. I read the chat logs he had on the net.
I think there is a lot of talent on both sides of the fence. You are wrong about the internet. It has both information and disinformation..of course..if we keep allowing the John Ashcrofts and Osama's of the world push more control on us we will have a lot more problems for sure. |
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06/04/2002 11:34:05 AM · #17 |
| Ever notice a trend in the very few affected users? |
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06/04/2002 11:27:29 AM · #18 |
| the internet is a wealth of incorrect information. its too bad that landgon and drew cant own the internet. they could censor, adjust, prod, delete, withdraw, and ban people from use. then they could rewrite it so that even idiots who dont like naughty words would be happy. |
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06/04/2002 11:16:05 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by lisae:
Irae - Your comment on my thumb wrestling photo a couple of weeks ago was great in that you did seem to take into account the automatic focus, etc. that I have to deal with because I have a low-end camera, but in general I think that giving detailed instructions about focus, aperture, shutter speed, etc. is a bit wasted unless you know how much the photographer can actually control. All I can do with my camera is set the white balance according to what kind of light I have, and change the EV compensation. Oh, and decide between two focus modes. People made all kinds of suggestions on my photo from last week that involved things I could not possibly have changed, and things that I did on purpose in post-processing, and it's actually quite annoying.
I prefer not to comment that way and just consider external, universal things like lighting, composition, cropping, etc, and maybe make suggestions about post-processing because a lot of people have no idea about that.
Sounds like we're in a similar situation here. My camera is a low end camera as well. It's basically a point and shoot with hardly any features at all. While I am a newbie to dpchallenge, i'm not necessarily a newbie in photography. My pics with my slr cameras usually are 10X better than my digi, but because of my cameras limitations, i'm not usually very happy with my pics in comparison. However, I still have fun with the contests on this site (even though this is only my 2nd). I do find some of the comments helpful, but I agree that it can be annoying when people comment on stuff you have no control over. |
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06/04/2002 11:16:03 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by chariot:
Tell us more grandpa! Tell us how you used to walk 10 miles to school in the snow uphill... both ways. :)
Heeee...I KNEW that comment was coming!!!!
I still feel 18 (and my wife says I act it too) but man...
..Actually, I feel real jealousy to the college kids nowadays because if I had the resources/tools available to me like they have (like powerful computers, whole suites of graphics programs that are affordable, the internet and all its wealth of information) who knows what worlds would have been open to me..just some kid from a small town in Virginia.
An IBM 8086 with 64k memory was $4,000 when I was in college..well outside my ability to afford it.
My daughter is 15 and she gets anything she wants computer wise but she reads...gasp...BOOKS. She writes her memoirs with a PENCIL..not a pen..not even a mechanical pencil!!! A yellow wooden instrument with lead on paper with no lines.
I was so technologically starved I guess she goes the other way. :-) Smart kid.
* This message has been edited by the author on 6/4/2002 11:16:37 AM. |
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06/04/2002 11:00:43 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by Patella:
[i]Or maybe we (and I include myself) just need to stop using acronyms. *grin*
The wealth of resources available at our fingertips astounds me. When I was in college (1980) we didn''t have computers or the internet.[/i]
Tell us more grandpa! Tell us how you used to walk 10 miles to school in the snow uphill... both ways. :)
I just want to tell you Hokie, I appreciate your message throughout the forums and the comments you leave for the photographers here.
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06/04/2002 10:58:40 AM · #22 |
Maybe this will help:
PhotoNotes Dictionary
Originally posted by Patella:
Or maybe we (and I include myself) just need to stop using acronyms. *grin*
A second thought, if people are worried about spending time commenting and teaching -- I''d rather they just didn''t bother than leave a comment that is negative but too vague. Everybody''s happy that way. Course, then people like me post a thread to ask -- but hey, if you don''t want to, don''t contribute to that thread either. :-)
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06/04/2002 10:45:59 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Patella:
Or maybe we (and I include myself) just need to stop using acronyms. *grin*
Patella..hehe..I wish it were that simple.
All I know is this...if someone makes a comment to me and it takes more than 2 sentences to get me to go to a web site/bookstore/photo class/art gallery to learn more about their comment maybe I don''t care enough to learn.
(BTW patella..this is not directed at you..you definitely are a seeker)
The wealth of resources available at our fingertips astounds me. When I was in college (1980) we didn''t have computers or the internet.
I had to walk to a thing called a library to get anything close to what is available on the net in an instant.
I guess I am just being pissy today but information is so abundant today in comaparison to any other time in history I just don''t understand how you cant find whatever you want when you want it.
Now I crawl back into my cave and draw on the walls again..errrGGhhh...
* This message has been edited by the author on 6/4/2002 10:51:39 AM. |
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06/04/2002 10:35:15 AM · #24 |
Or maybe we (and I include myself) just need to stop using acronyms. *grin*
A second thought, if people are worried about spending time commenting and teaching -- I''d rather they just didn''t bother than leave a comment that is negative but too vague. Everybody''s happy that way. Course, then people like me post a thread to ask -- but hey, if you don''t want to, don''t contribute to that thread either. :-)
* This message has been edited by the author on 6/4/2002 10:40:30 AM.
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06/04/2002 10:27:16 AM · #25 |
I think I spoke to Dogmans comment.
The reason I may have commented about basic technique is that (and Dogman probably doesn't fit into this category) is that often times a person may make a comment like "lacks technique, DOF" and then the person getting the comment would say "What? What is DOF" then I would say " Depth of Field" and then they would say "My camera doesn't have that function" and then I would say " You control that by aperature" and then they would say " Do I make it bigger or smaller?" and so on and so on... ad nauseum......
Maybe that guy that said "lacks technique" is on to something...:-) |
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