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07/22/2008 09:11:45 PM · #1 |
Im a bit of a noob here. Is this where i post for challenges?
btw, LMAO@ MAK
Message edited by author 2008-07-22 21:12:21. |
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07/22/2008 08:57:47 PM · #2 |
| If I saw this sooner I wouldn't have been such a snotty prick. |
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11/21/2007 01:57:02 PM · #3 |
| yeh he speaks proper like wot i does too |
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11/21/2007 01:52:40 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by muckpond:
Please play nice. |
It's 'nicely' actually. We speak proper here in England.
; ) |
"proper" or "properly"? :) |
Think that may have been a heavy dollop of British irony!
On a more relevant note, I've spent a lot of time in various forums over the years as my interests have changed and developed, and I'm impressed with the crowd here who seem like a friendly and helpful bunch!
Message edited by author 2007-11-21 13:55:18. |
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11/21/2007 01:37:38 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by muckpond:
Please play nice. |
It's 'nicely' actually. We speak proper here in England.
; ) |
"proper" or "properly"? :) |
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11/21/2007 01:35:23 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Please play nice. |
It's 'nicely' actually. We speak proper here in England.
; ) |
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11/21/2007 11:51:04 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Thanks, and feel free to share your thoughts. |
Could just make it mandatory that everyone watch the video on proper posting etiquette.
;) |
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11/07/2007 07:40:32 PM · #8 |
| I personally am glad to see this. i turned off almost all the forums a few months ago because it just seemed to be a lot of fighting, which my brain can't seem to stay out of when it sees it:( a year and a half ago when I joined, I found this site to be the best I had ever experienced when it came to people helping new people out. i wouldn't be half as mediocre as i am now if it wasn't for the nice people here. |
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11/07/2007 05:48:17 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
I am absolutely not suggesting the forums we kept to serious content only.
What I would like is for the chit-chat and joking be contained within appropriate threads (I've started a few in my time, just search on llama llama cheesecake duck) and that threads started to discuss photography or other non-humourous issues be allowed to stay on topic. I hate coming across a topic of genuine interest with maybe 100 replies and finding that only a handful of them are related to the topic, the rest are essentially a chatty conversation between a few people.
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Agreed.
See this is the problem in saying things in black and white, the grays are so difficult to express. You would have never guessed that when I posed that question, I wasn't even serious and my intention was not to pick on you. It was just reaction after reading your post.
Anyway I am going to educate myself little bit.
I do not know how much panjabi language you know, but there is a saying in it. In panjabi we say:
Vidya dadati vinayam.
(education gives Humility (civility) )
The full version in panjabi would be:
Vidya dadati vinayam,
vinaya dadati paatrataam,
paatratva dhanamaapnoti,
dhanat dharmam tatatsukham.
The translation for non panjabi people:
Education gives Humility;
Humility gives Character;
from character one gets wealth;
from wealth one gets righteous (dharmam) life;
from righteousness gets happiness.
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11/07/2007 05:30:27 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by goc:
sheesh ... nobody mentioned the most unhelpful and most uncivilized member around here !  |
you mean the one that can't even make a working link? |
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11/07/2007 05:26:49 AM · #11 |
sheesh ... nobody mentioned the most unhelpful and most uncivilized member around here !
edit: damn, i'm so tired i have to reedit my posts :-)
Message edited by author 2007-11-07 05:30:32.
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11/07/2007 03:54:52 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Kavey:
These days I seldom do because MOST threads, even those with topics of interest to me, contain SO much chit-chat between subgroups (that, frankly, belongs on MSN Messenger or in a chat room environment) not to mention the in-jokes. |
Are you always that serious in life. |
You're kidding right? KV is one of the most fun-loving people i know! She's full of silliness, I guarantee. And I have to agree with her that inside jokes often do dominate, and while its fun for the people "in" on it, its not very fun, and quite exclusionary, to everyone else. |
zxaar
In response to you question, as Frisca pointed out, I am not at all a serious person, infact anyone who has met me in real life or in DPC Fanatics chatroom will know that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I'm also extremely social. I initiated and organised the first several DPC London GTGs (the first of which was one of the very first open-to-any-member GTG organised in the forums).
I am absolutely not suggesting the forums we kept to serious content only.
What I would like is for the chit-chat and joking be contained within appropriate threads (I've started a few in my time, just search on llama llama cheesecake duck) and that threads started to discuss photography or other non-humourous issues be allowed to stay on topic. I hate coming across a topic of genuine interest with maybe 100 replies and finding that only a handful of them are related to the topic, the rest are essentially a chatty conversation between a few people.
I have no problem with their being threads for silliness, chatting, socialising and banter. I would simply rather this didn't invade every thread on the board as it seems to at times.
Message edited by author 2007-11-07 03:56:28.
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11/07/2007 12:45:52 AM · #13 |
I'm close to my two year anniversary as a registered member at DPC. I have learned more than I thought possible, thanks to many here. I don't spend much time in the forums but it seems as if the DPC 'crowd' goes out of their way to be helpful and friendly to new people. Sure, there are exceptions... which make this site a lot like real life.
It is a good reminder. Sarcasm(of which i am guilty) doesn't always play well in B&W text. I can always remember back to the days when I thought an F-Stop was a camera setting, not a really cool group of teamates who dominate the WPL/DPL competition! :) |
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11/07/2007 12:02:59 AM · #14 |
DPC might be a better forum than most (my experience tends to line up with this). Let's assume this is true. Is that any reason for us not to be better? If the individual users who make up the community keep trying to be nice, and keep holding themselves to a high standard, the forums here will continue to be better than most. If the individual users don't do this, the quality here will most likely eventually slip away.
We can *all* do better. I personally am, if you'll excuse my moment of inhumility, a good communicator. I am good at language and at writing, so that I can generally be precise and say exactly what I mean to. I can make negative comments about people's arguments while still making what I say sound nice. However, there have been a couple of times I have gotten too emotionally involved in a thread, and caught myself coming across as rude. (It's a good idea, as has been mentioned, to be thinking about how things will appear to someone who isn't inside your own head.) In those instances, I have apologized. And I will try harder, thanks to this thread being a reminder, to not have that happen again. I'm not going to have reasons about why I don't need to try.
I'm not upset at anybody who is pointing out that DPC is a civil forum already. It really is a good point and one that in my opinion is worth making. I just want to encourage everybody to think about how we might need to try in order to keep it civil. And if you think that everything is fine and there's no work that could be done, I guess that's okay. I think I'm just really excited about the prospect of a bunch of people working together to make things better. :-) |
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11/06/2007 11:59:04 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by karmat:
If I'm not mistaken, scalvert actually joined here to ask a question about his camera. |
True, and I got helpful answers faster than any other internet forum I've ever experienced. I just looked at some of my oldest posts and saw that I was very much a beginner, yet the responses were unbelievably encouraging. From my second forum post ever (asking for feedback on a fairly awful portrait)-
Originally posted by scalvert:
Great comments- thank you! ...I can see a membership in my future. ;-) |
From another early feedback request-
Originally posted by coolhar:
First thing that came to my mind... was "forced use of the rule of thirds". The light is bright on the background and on the wall where the subject's shadow is, but I'd like more light on the subject itself. If the light were more toward the front it would better... I perceive someone working hard to get a good shot and trying new things to learn. |
That sort of comment demonstrates the difference between a critique and criticism, and I probably wouldn't have been around long without encouragement like that from others. I posted some stupid questions and got patient responses. We need more of that, and less profanity, crude humor, and snide remarks. Personal respect leads to site respect, and we all benefit. |
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11/06/2007 11:37:00 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
levyj413[/user], and everyone else who has ever taught us anything was once a newbie here.
~Terry |
Holy cow! I'm stunned and really, REALLY complimented that you put me in that crowd.
FWIW, there are PLENTY of areas I'm still a total newb at. Artificial light sources, for example. A strobe is still this cool thing they have at dance clubs as far as I'm concerned. ;) |
That is why you will always, be good, because you know what you don't know and are not afraid to admit it
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11/06/2007 11:22:29 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by zxaar:
If they do not stick around long enough, I would say its their loss. |
Perhaps, but it's our loss too.
Remember that, to name a few,  scalvert, kiwiness and  Anastasia,  muckpond,  Ursula, Skip, Brad, Bear_Music, levyj413, and everyone else who has ever taught us anything was once a newbie here.
Except  mk. The mk was never a newbie. DPC just formed around her.
That aside, my point is that when we beat someone up for their seemingly "dumb" question, rehashed-to-death suggestion, or seemingly bad idea, we never know what they may have had to teach us.
~Terry |
Humm, I agree on this part. But still people need to be patient, specially when you join some place newly.
ps: levyj413 you are helpful person. I remember once you pmed me links of photoshop tuts, because I said in forum that I do not know photoshop well. Thanks for it, an unhelpful person does not do it.
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11/06/2007 10:58:24 PM · #18 |
If I'm not mistaken, scalvert actually joined here to ask a question about his camera.
Wait a minute!
Is that an argument for being polite or for being rude? |
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11/06/2007 10:52:50 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
levyj413[/user], and everyone else who has ever taught us anything was once a newbie here.
~Terry |
Holy cow! I'm stunned and really, REALLY complimented that you put me in that crowd.
FWIW, there are PLENTY of areas I'm still a total newb at. Artificial light sources, for example. A strobe is still this cool thing they have at dance clubs as far as I'm concerned. ;)
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11/06/2007 10:45:41 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
If they do not stick around long enough, I would say its their loss. |
Perhaps, but it's our loss too.
Remember that, to name a few, scalvert, kiwiness and Anastasia, muckpond, Ursula, Skip, Brad, Bear_Music, levyj413, and everyone else who has ever taught us anything was once a newbie here.
Except mk. The mk was never a newbie. DPC just formed around her.
That aside, my point is that when we beat someone up for their seemingly "dumb" question, rehashed-to-death suggestion, or seemingly bad idea, we never know what they may have had to teach us.
~Terry
Message edited by scalvert - Fixed a couple of links. |
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11/06/2007 10:35:09 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Well I am posting just to say that it was 7th nov I joined this site, so today I finished exactly two years here. |
Happy DPCversary!
~Terry
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11/06/2007 10:34:20 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
For future reference, I think "PC" is an insult created by people who accuse others of going too far in their sensitivity to others' feelings. |
And here I thought "PC" was this thing I'm typing on! Silly me! :-รพ
~Terry
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11/06/2007 10:33:08 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
I joined DPC because of the pictures. But then decided to leave the challenges to those that have the time, energy and talent to create them. But it was the social side that kept me here. But lately, it does seem that there has been more of a edge on things here. To be honest though, I've seen it coming from both the top as well as the common folk. I've seen threads locked for no apparent reason by one SC member when there were other SC members particapating in the thread (and appearing to be having a good time). But I have seen some of the members getting a bite to their jokes and comments as well. For the most part though, a lot of what I see are people that have been around each other long enough to be able to be a bit more familiar amoung themselves than someone that is fairly knew might be comfortable with. |
Without specific examples, all I can tell you is that we are human, and we do make occasional errors in judgment. If you believe we've erred, feel free to use the report post feature or the contact page to ask us about it. Though there is no "pecking order" like you asked about yesterday, each of us individually is subordinate to the group as a whole. We all recognize that we make occasional mistakes, we all understand that occasional, good-faith actions we take individually will be reversed by other Site Council members, and we're not shy about doing that when it needs to be done. I can't promise that we'll never make mistakes, but if you're confused as to why a thread was locked or a post of yours was edited, let us know. If there's a mistake, we'll correct it; if there's not, we'll help you to better understand our rationale.
Originally posted by MikeJ:
As for newbie questions... what some people are over looking is that many questions are asked, not because the person really needs an answer, but they are trying to fit in, be noticed and be a part of the group around them. What's the first thing that is usually said when ever you walk into a room of strange people? Usually "How's it going?". Well, with some newbies, asking a question or making what some call "dumb" remarks, is their way of coming in amoung a bunch of strangers and asking "How's it going?". In real life this can some times lead to a conversation. Once a conversation starts, then you can get to know the people. So if you tell newbies to go use the search feature, or don't ask the same question for the 750th time, or sit back and just watch until you know something... well, that's a conversation that will never start and a person that will never feel a part of DPC. And as happens more times than not, a person that DPC loses.
I've been around forums about 10 years longer than there has been an internet and I no longer need to ask the dumb questions... I already know all the dumb answers. So I can come into a forum and pretty much size it up from what I read. Usually what I try to learn is who talks straight and who's always blowing smoke. Sometimes it's not so obvious.
Maybe the only dumb questions is the one that gets asked, but everyone is entitled to a few... at least at the beginning. After that they are fair game. ;)
Mike |
Well-said.
~Terry
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11/06/2007 10:16:12 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I am here for around 2 years now, and the only comment that I found offensive so far was comment made by [REDACTED] in thread related to joey's DVD. ([REDACTED] is considered a polite guy at DPC i guess).
So it all depends on which things you base your opinion on. |
Glad to know that people actually do read what I post.
Well I am posting just to say that it was 7th nov I joined this site, so today I finished exactly two years here. |
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11/06/2007 10:14:31 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Didn't intend to imply PC was a bad thing (didn't realize it could be construed that way). It's cool - we're all cool - ok? :-) |
First, yeah, we're cool. :) As I said, I'm tired and was sure I missed something.
For future reference, I think "PC" is an insult created by people who accuse others of going too far in their sensitivity to others' feelings.
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