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 02/08/2004 12:50:33 AM · #1
Originally posted by ellamay:
But what if what you present, is clear as to what is, but just not considered part of challenge? Then do you satisfy yourself or others? Even if you believe it is on topic?


I suppose it depends on your intent for doing the photo. For me, if I don't satisfy the "others" in a challenge, then I have NOT satisfied myself because I have failed to get my feeling across through the photo. That's not to say everyone will relate to my photo, and I don't expect it. However, if many of the responses are "huh?", then I know that it may fit into my frame of reference, but not into other's. To me, the photo can be a form of communication. I know what I want to say, but if the viewer doesn't understand my language then I have failed to communicate.

Now, I do take a bunch of photos just for personal enjoyment with no thought to all of that. So it really boils down to why you took the picture, I think. In challenges here on DPC, my goal is to communicate to the voters/viewers, but in my own style and creative way.

02/08/2004 12:01:22 AM · #2
But what if what you present, is clear as to what is, but just not considered part of challenge? Then do you satisfy yourself or others? Even if you believe it is on topic?
 02/07/2004 10:49:10 PM · #3
For me, the real challenge is in producing a photo that DOES have some interest and meaning to me...something I would consider to be creative, and maybe unique...and still be clear enough so that the average viewer would enjoy it. For me, that's the beauty of this site. It's a way to gauge how clearly I'm able to present the idea I have in my mind to those viewing the photo.

02/07/2004 09:01:08 PM · #4
I don't pay too much attention to the title of a photo. I remember from creative writing classes that the title should be the last thing you do and it should make people want to read your story. That proably doesn't apply as much to photography or here since you see both at the same time.

I think I'm going to start naming all my photos "hot babe in thong" just to get some interest.
 02/07/2004 01:08:15 PM · #5
I'm not to unhappy with the results of my first entry... they are not great, right around a 5 but I already got one helpful hint on how to look at and improve my work. That to me is more important than winning the ribbon. I fully expect to get hammered on the next challenge because of my abstract interpretation of "Letting Go". C'est la vie
 02/07/2004 12:18:28 PM · #6
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by geewhy:
If votes arrive singly and you have a note of the number of votes you had and the average previous to this vote arriving, then it`s an easy calculation to work out how much the last voter gave you.
However, as has been mentioned earlier in the thread..you can`t be certain that it is the same person that commented.


There is however a wrinkle in it being "easy" to work out what the last voter gave you and that is people can change their vote whenever they feel like it. If a person changes their vote at near the same time as a new vote is cast it could be difficult for you to determine exactly what the new voter gave you.


Yes, I`m beginning to understand the complications which can set in here.

Gordon
 02/07/2004 11:24:29 AM · #7
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
There is however a wrinkle in it being "easy" to work out what the last voter gave you and that is people can change their vote whenever they feel like it. If a person changes their vote at near the same time as a new vote is cast it could be difficult for you to determine exactly what the new voter gave you.


A slight twist on this happened to me. Got a PM from a comment I left (basically a "how come you gave me such a lousy score?" even though my comment mentioned both what I liked and thought could have been better) I had assigned scores the previous day and was adding comments to those shots I felt compelled to write about. Seems my comment and a dip in average got the photographer's underwear in a knot.
 02/07/2004 09:39:01 AM · #8
Originally posted by geewhy:
If votes arrive singly and you have a note of the number of votes you had and the average previous to this vote arriving, then it`s an easy calculation to work out how much the last voter gave you.
However, as has been mentioned earlier in the thread..you can`t be certain that it is the same person that commented.


There is however a wrinkle in it being "easy" to work out what the last voter gave you and that is people can change their vote whenever they feel like it. If a person changes their vote at near the same time as a new vote is cast it could be difficult for you to determine exactly what the new voter gave you.
 02/07/2004 06:37:07 AM · #9
Originally posted by Riggs:
Originally posted by geewhy:
I`m getting more p****d off by the minute with this challenge.
I`ve had two votes in the last hour and each one dropped my average..yet again.The difference with these votes was that a comment accompanied each of them.Both comments were very positive and full of praise about the image and yet the scores were 5 & 4.
What do these guys give to images they hate ??

Gordon


How would you know what they scored?


If votes arrive singly and you have a note of the number of votes you had and the average previous to this vote arriving, then it`s an easy calculation to work out how much the last voter gave you.
However, as has been mentioned earlier in the thread..you can`t be certain that it is the same person that commented.

Gordon

Message edited by author 2004-02-07 07:38:12.
 02/07/2004 06:35:02 AM · #10
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

A title should not 'describe' the photo. A title should not explain the photo. A title should not tell me the idea behind the photo. A title should not get in the way of me forming my own opinion of the image.

A good title, IMO, 'integrates' with the image. It may leave some room for interpretation. I certainly can't explain my ideas at 1am... :)


I too like naming my entries, especially if it's a subject that is easily recognizable. That's just one of the problems with my garage art entry. If everyone knew what I was taking a picture of, it would have been easy, but my subject is pretty obscure.

A mediocre title combined with what some think is a technical flaw = a pretty low score for me.
 02/07/2004 06:33:20 AM · #11
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by geewhy:
I`m getting more p****d off by the minute with this challenge.
I`ve had two votes in the last hour and each one dropped my average..yet again.The difference with these votes was that a comment accompanied each of them.Both comments were very positive and full of praise about the image and yet the scores were 5 & 4.
What do these guys give to images they hate ??

Gordon


Comments and votes aren't always actually associated with each other - people go back later and add comments to images they've voted on for example


Take your point on that one Gordon, and would hope that this is the case..it`s just that when only one vote arrives in the hour and a comment arrives at the same time.. it does make you wonder.

Message edited by author 2004-02-07 07:36:13.
 02/07/2004 01:49:54 AM · #12
I totally agree with jmsetzler about titles. OFF SUBJECT: does anyone know of a more art realated digital photography website/contests. I am starting to take very literal photos to enter into the dp challenges (due to the lower votes I recieve on the artful stuff)...and I realized I was giving in to other's wants VS. my own. Do any other Dp'ers ever feel this way. Advice for me??????
 02/07/2004 12:55:35 AM · #13
Originally posted by zeuszen:

Good titles, like good photos, don't always come easy. The better the photo, I find, the more critical the title. A mediocre photo with a great title, however, might come across a little supect...


I agree completely.

I love titling my photos almost as much as shooting them. I have my own philosophies about titles. A title should not 'describe' the photo. A title should not explain the photo. A title should not tell me the idea behind the photo. A title should not get in the way of me forming my own opinion of the image.

A good title, IMO, 'integrates' with the image. It may leave some room for interpretation. I certainly can't explain my ideas at 1am... :)

02/07/2004 12:46:21 AM · #14
Originally posted by jenesis:
I would be happy to title all of mine "Untitled" and let people come up with their own interpretation. (less work for me that way) :-)


This will work with some pieces. To do a landscape or a character portrait and label it untitled could be disturbing. Pieces in series are sometimes called 'Untitled'. After you have a series of numbered photographs, you may find that you're back to square one. 'Untitled', after all, is just another title.

Good titles, like good photos, don't always come easy. The better the photo, I find, the more critical the title. A mediocre photo with a great title, however, might come across a little supect...

Message edited by author 2004-02-07 00:49:53.
 02/07/2004 12:16:05 AM · #15
I'm only basing it on 80% of my comments directly relate to my title, of course that is only about 10% of the votes, so I'm sure it has to do with more of the technical aspests of the photo overall.

But since I hate trying to come up with a "catchy" title, I really hate when most of my comments are based on my title related to the photo... does that make sense? I would be happy to title all of mine "Untitled" and let people come up with their own interpretation. (less work for me that way) :-)

Message edited by author 2004-02-07 00:16:45.
 02/06/2004 10:12:29 PM · #16
How does everyone know why people are voting their shot down or up for that matter? Some say bc the voters didnt like the title. Well, how do you know this? Unless everyone that is voting is leaving a comment as to how they voted, we are guessing as to why people are voting our shots down.

How come no one ever says my shot is bing voted down maybe bc people didnt like it or that it wasnt my best work. Why is the fault always with the voter & how omnipresent the fotog is?

No one knows for sure why people vote the way they do unless you are told directly. WE only assume. I think we should give the assumptions & the ranting a bit of a rest & start talking about what we like on our own shots regardless of how others perceive it.

I'll start. My shot is not doing as well as I would like but I really enjoyed shooting it. I took different shots under different lighting over a couple of days. I took so many that I submitted, umsubmitted, submitted... several times. I liked so many of them I didnt know which one I wanted to use. I finally just stopped obsessing, as per the advice of my sister, & went with the last one I uploaded. I had oodles of fun!

02/06/2004 10:11:53 PM · #17
Originally posted by geewhy:
I`m getting more p****d off by the minute with this challenge.
I`ve had two votes in the last hour and each one dropped my average..yet again.The difference with these votes was that a comment accompanied each of them.Both comments were very positive and full of praise about the image and yet the scores were 5 & 4.
What do these guys give to images they hate ??

Gordon


How would you know what they scored?



Message edited by author 2004-02-06 22:18:47.
 02/06/2004 10:08:16 PM · #18
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by deafwolf:
I haven't voted yet. I better see a screwdriver laying beside a hot babe in a thong or I will be totally disappointed. :P


ah, Dr Jones, where are you when we need you ?


Here here!
 02/06/2004 09:52:34 PM · #19
Originally posted by geewhy:
I`m getting more p****d off by the minute with this challenge.
I`ve had two votes in the last hour and each one dropped my average..yet again.The difference with these votes was that a comment accompanied each of them.Both comments were very positive and full of praise about the image and yet the scores were 5 & 4.
What do these guys give to images they hate ??

Gordon


Comments and votes aren't always actually associated with each other - people go back later and add comments to images they've voted on for example
 02/06/2004 07:39:11 PM · #20
> louddog

The description addresses the photographer: ...things you'd typically find in a garage...
Not things you'd find in a typical garage.

A homeless person, spending the night, leaves blown in by the wind, a case of Beaujolais, marijuana plants, even an old Landauer are things you would typically find in my garage, if I still had one.

The title specifies art as well, not just a photograph of a tire. No, it has to be a damn good one too.
The explanation asks the photographer to photograph an interesting composition. The tire, apparently, is not enough, even if captured artistically. A composition needs to be captured as well.

Did I read the challenge description?

Message edited by author 2004-02-06 21:10:37.
 02/06/2004 07:34:18 PM · #21
I`m getting more p****d off by the minute with this challenge.
I`ve had two votes in the last hour and each one dropped my average..yet again.The difference with these votes was that a comment accompanied each of them.Both comments were very positive and full of praise about the image and yet the scores were 5 & 4.
What do these guys give to images they hate ??

Gordon
 02/06/2004 07:02:07 PM · #22
Originally posted by louddog:
Using the kind of things you'd typically find in a garage, design and then photograph an interesting composition.


So, you're telling me that YOU never find a beautiful woman in a thong holding a screwdriver in YOUR garage? Are you from up north?
 02/06/2004 06:38:04 PM · #23
which should include, a car, a tire, or things on the wall. if someone can see the beauty of a subject that is there.. and capture it.. i think that is what it is about... or CAN be about at least.
 02/06/2004 06:31:15 PM · #24
Anyone read the challenge description?
"We've created art in the kitchen. We've created art at the office. Now it's time for some Garage Art! Using the kind of things you'd typically find in a garage, design and then photograph an interesting composition.
 02/06/2004 05:06:26 PM · #25
Originally posted by deafwolf:
I haven't voted yet. I better see a screwdriver laying beside a hot babe in a thong or I will be totally disappointed. :P


ah, Dr Jones, where are you when we need you ?
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