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02/09/2004 02:04:03 PM · #1 |
| Kind of "boring to vote" challenge,I will skip this one! :-{ |
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02/06/2004 12:25:18 PM · #2 |
[i]"i think if people WERE voting 1's and 2's to bring people down they would be spotted rather quickly, as their 'avg vote given' would reflect this rather clearly..."[i]
My avg score given is low right now due to a lot of aloof photos in GA challenge...so it's not really fair to say this...
Message edited by author 2004-02-06 12:26:58. |
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02/06/2004 06:27:07 AM · #3 |
I love that there's a WOW and a 'disappointing' thread running at the same time
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02/06/2004 01:19:32 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by melking23:
I found this Challenge to only have about 10 really good shots....and None to make you go WOW like Gordon's Last one.... |
That's why voting is still truly subjective. I found three WOW photos right away and gave them 10s. But after sorting out the exceptional images, how people from many different places interpreted the Challenge was part of the challenge of voting fairly. I'm still struggling with the process. |
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02/06/2004 12:23:09 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do yourself a favor by reading the details and figuring out how to comply closely. |
Whereas I fully understand the sentiment here, this does take away the possibility of creative interpretation.
But you're right if getting a high score is the main consideration. |
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02/06/2004 12:15:29 AM · #6 |
Seems like many new people here are disappointed in their scores. One thing that you can do to help your future entries is to read the details of the challenge topic and follow them closely. For example:
1) the Zodiac challenge said "Take your best photo representing one of these signs." Some entires were not about a sign but rather about the zodiac in general and suffered in the voting because of it.
2) the Painting with Light challenge called for a "non-stationary light source" however there were several very good pictures that could have been either a stationary light source or a non-stationary one that wasn't moved much at all. Most of the ones that scored high were very obviously a light source that was moved.
A lot of the voters don't read the details closely either, and/or don't vote you down for not complying strictly. But some do, and you'll lose points on their vote and not know why if they don't comment (and most don't).
Do yourself a favor by reading the details and figuring out how to comply closely. |
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02/05/2004 08:44:12 PM · #7 |
| i think that 1 or 2 should only be given to photos that a person is really disgusted about.. i mean no photo deserves that low of a score unless it is totally out fo focus.. has no composition, lighting qualitites at all...or if it doesnt fit the challenge subject at all.. i rarely give 3s and gave may be 1 or 2 2s but never have i given anybody 1.. i think some people rather use "1" recklesly... |
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02/05/2004 08:29:22 PM · #8 |
This was my first entry also, I have owned a digital camera for a total of 3 weeks and had gotten a trial version of PS two days before my entry. When the voting is done, I'd like to get some opinions on my final version of my final version. Live and learn.
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02/05/2004 08:10:36 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Rooster:
the pattern seems to be this, IMO- starts off decent, descends (sometime rapidly) but towards the end picks up a wee bit of steam. |
I've seen the same pattern -- high hopes, drops like a dead weight (the stage I'm in now) slowly rises to not-quite-as-good-as-it-was-at-the-begining-but-better-than-it-could-have-been
Good news is that I like my Matching entry and am so-so on my garage art so the scores matter less than my personal opinion
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02/05/2004 08:01:50 PM · #10 |
| this was my first challenge...I thought the idea was to doubley make art...take junk and make something from it and then photograph it...by the time I'd finished the first part...the weather had turned and there was no time left...hope things get better...I totally agree about the disappointment...I have been visiting here for several months and joined at the wrong time I guess...:) |
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02/05/2004 06:51:59 PM · #11 |
not that i think there is anything really wrong with the way things work now... it doesn't REALLY matter.... it is just a challenge. [/quote]
You said it! Plus it's for fun anyway & I for one am having FUN!
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02/05/2004 06:40:02 PM · #12 |
On the other hand... one thing dpchallenge COULD do is just average everybody's vote... so that my 'average vote cast' was a 5... and so was everyone else's... the votes would be curved.. so if i voted 1's 2's and 3's... in the end they would be 3's 4's and 5's and if i voted ALL 8's 9's and 10's then it would be curved to be 4's 5's and 6's in the end...
not that i think there is anything really wrong with the way things work now... it doesn't REALLY matter.... it is just a challenge.
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02/05/2004 06:39:47 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by leaf:
well i think if people WERE voting 1's and 2's to bring people down they would be spotted rather quickly, as their 'avg vote given' would reflect this rather clearly... |
I guess nut who is checking all that? Seems like a whole lot of work for nonsense stuff. The way I see it is this- if some voters are doing this then everyone's shots come down & you really don't loose much. Plus the voter that may do this to bring their shot up cannot control how others will perceive & score their own shot so I say do your worst!
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02/05/2004 06:37:10 PM · #14 |
well i think if people WERE voting 1's and 2's to bring people down they would be spotted rather quickly, as their 'avg vote given' would reflect this rather clearly...
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02/05/2004 06:33:17 PM · #15 |
the pattern seems to be this, IMO- starts off decent, descends (sometime rapidly) but towards the end picks up a wee bit of steam.
Dunno what it is really. Even the best shots get 1'2, 2'2, & 3's. Voters are fickle & some supposedly vote low to bring their own shots up, altho I donlt see how this can be done.
I wonder if folks see a good picture that could win & vote it down on purpose. I guess everyone wants to be a winner!
I for one am not shy about saying I like a shot better than my own. Hell, I am not a great fotograher by any means & if I see a shot that is fantastic I will have problems commenting that it is my fave by far including my own.
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02/05/2004 06:27:28 PM · #16 |
yeah i'll say..
i reloaded a few times right at the start and my average was 10 :)
a few seconds later it started going down... and then it leveled off and was middle range decent.. and now like you.. i think i am getting 2's and 3's
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02/05/2004 06:22:30 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by gpierson:
Honestly...(and i may get some harsh responses)...BUT I have scored a lot of the "garage art" photos 1-3. Due to the fact that most are pics of motorcycles,cars,actual garages. I always read the challenge directions pretty literally and it seemed like we were supposed to photograph garage items...vehicles just didn't pop into my mind. |
I just can`t figure this challenge out...The voting pattern is the strangest I`ve seen in my short time here. My submission (which was not a car or garage etc)started off getting high scores..then they got a little lower and now I seem to be picking up 2`s and 3`s.
Can`t wait to see how it all ends up. |
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02/05/2004 06:15:24 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by gpierson:
Honestly...(and i may get some harsh responses)...BUT I have scored a lot of the "garage art" photos 1-3. Due to the fact that most are pics of motorcycles,cars,actual garages. I always read the challenge directions pretty literally and it seemed like we were supposed to photograph garage items...vehicles just didn't pop into my mind. |
Yeah, at first I thought the same thing. I looked thru 'em w/o voting. But a car and the like ARE items found in a garage. Albeit large items, but items nonetheless. After voting, I just didnt give 'em anything above or below a 5 (for most of them). I think they do fit the challenge but is not as creative or to the spirit of the challenge. It's too literal of a fit, IMO.
Besides, I dont wanna jump on the score low bc it does not fit the challenge band wagon. In the fotog's mind, there has to be a fit in some way. Just bc I don;t get it, doesn't mean it doesnt fit. I mean, it's not like the sheep shot, which I think is efing HILARIOUS but clearly not a fit.
My 2 cents!
And lastly, you shouldn;t get harsh response for voting the way you see fit. It is up to you afterall.
Message edited by author 2004-02-05 18:16:05.
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02/05/2004 06:06:18 PM · #19 |
| Honestly...(and i may get some harsh responses)...BUT I have scored a lot of the "garage art" photos 1-3. Due to the fact that most are pics of motorcycles,cars,actual garages. I always read the challenge directions pretty literally and it seemed like we were supposed to photograph garage items...vehicles just didn't pop into my mind. |
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02/05/2004 08:08:31 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Really? Mine always start high and drop like a lead weight. |
The pattern of voting is different as well with these two submissions.
Since the first 30 or so votes (which were obviously higher)everything seems to be between 4-6..previously, I just couldn`t predict what I was likely to get.
I`m not complaining...life would be boring if everything went the way we expect.
Missing my usual comments from your good self Jon..so maybe I haven`t made these submissions interesting enough.
Gordon |
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02/05/2004 07:47:20 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by geewhy:
Originally posted by jonpink:
My rule of thumb is that whatever my score is after 50-60 votes, I minus 1 whole point and that will be the final score.
Seem pretty much spot on all the time. |
Never experienced a difference as big as that in any of my previous submissions Jon..so maybe the two that are on the go at the moment are behaving normally ??
Gordon |
Really? Mine always start high and drop like a lead weight.
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02/05/2004 07:40:28 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by melking23:
I found this Challenge to only have about 10 really good shots....and None to make you go WOW like Gordon's Last one.... |
Think I agree with this. Myy first quick run through usually reaps at least a couple of 8's, and then a heap of 7's for later consideration, but it's a very poor harvest this time.
Ed
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02/05/2004 07:37:25 AM · #23 |
I found this Challenge to only have about 10 really good shots....and None to make you go WOW like Gordon's Last one....
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02/05/2004 07:12:54 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
My rule of thumb is that whatever my score is after 50-60 votes, I minus 1 whole point and that will be the final score.
Seem pretty much spot on all the time. |
Never experienced a difference as big as that in any of my previous submissions Jon..so maybe the two that are on the go at the moment are behaving normally ??
Gordon
Message edited by author 2004-02-05 07:13:44. |
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02/05/2004 06:51:23 AM · #25 |
jonpink - I notice the late drop in scores as well - it makes me wonder whether there might be some creative voting going on. But, that aside, this is a great excercise, and stregthens your skills no matter what, so, scoring be damned, this will make me a better shooter.
Being new to the site, I've noticed that straightforward good shots(even ones with decent composition) don't fare well at all and are judged particularly harshly but, without comments. As an example, I'm getting killed in this contest, but I can't figure out why.
I'll close this post with a request for more comments, particularly on things you give 4-6 points to, as those are the photos that could have been better and will benefit most from feedback (note: I am guilty of this myself, and will try to do better.)
Best,
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