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10/02/2007 05:42:46 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
99% of the people who oppose would be those who like to do little post processing and prefer the documentary style.
99% of the people who are in favor would be those who like to do lots of post processing and prefer a visionary style. |
I doubt it. IMO it's not so much about how much post processing you like to do, but your perception of what DPC represents. Larus and I are against it... and each of our personal best scores were in Expert challenges! |
Funny when I look at both of your profiles I don't see an expert edited shot any where. Correct me if I'm wrong but both of the shots you're referring to could have easily been entered in advance or even basic editing challenges. In other words you guys didn't even use the new rule set, let alone use it in the manner in which it has come under fire. I'd hardly call either of you guys the exception rather you both fit the profile of someone who is opposed perfectly. I would have assumed you were both opposed before you mentioned it. Not that it matters. The point is everyone here is merely pushing their own interests. Nothing more.
Message edited by author 2007-10-02 17:43:12.
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10/02/2007 09:19:54 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Now would be a good time to stop coddling the minimal-editing-only whiners. Make the Free Study free! No restrictions on post-processing! Excellent photography stands out no matter what is done to it or with it after capture. Period. That's my story & I'm sticking to it! |
Here you go.
Worth1000.com
deviantART
Have fun!
As for DPChallenge, I like it the way it is. Well, they could do away with Expert Editing all together I suppose. :D |
I'm not that easy to scare off. And I, too, enjoy DP Challenge just the way it is. |
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10/02/2007 08:56:14 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by yanko:
99% of the people who oppose would be those who like to do little post processing and prefer the documentary style.
99% of the people who are in favor would be those who like to do lots of post processing and prefer a visionary style. |
I doubt it. IMO it's not so much about how much post processing you like to do, but your perception of what DPC represents. Larus and I are against it... and each of our personal best scores were in Expert challenges! |
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10/02/2007 08:49:18 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Con's -
Only con I can think of is people accidentally submitting to the wrong Free Study but this happens from time to time as it is so I don't think it's a great burden to place on the contestants. |
Con: scalvert having four blue ribbons posted at once ;-)
I think they'd have to be "exclusive" challenges, so you can only enter under one rule set.
Actually, it would take up a lot of room on the front page, especially when the results are posted. |
I think this is an excellent idea. I like the idea that it is exclusive and the entries would be spread out over 4 challenges making voting easier, there would be no need to vote on 500+ images, as you could vote on 1 or more free studies as you see fit.
As there are also a wide variety of PP tastes it would also cater for all of them.
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10/02/2007 08:39:42 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Now would be a good time to stop coddling the minimal-editing-only whiners. Make the Free Study free! No restrictions on post-processing! Excellent photography stands out no matter what is done to it or with it after capture. Period. That's my story & I'm sticking to it! |
Here you go.
Worth1000.com
deviantART
Have fun!
As for DPChallenge, I like it the way it is. Well, they could do away with Expert Editing all together I suppose. :D |
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10/02/2007 08:25:40 AM · #6 |
| Now would be a good time to stop coddling the minimal-editing-only whiners. Make the Free Study free! No restrictions on post-processing! Excellent photography stands out no matter what is done to it or with it after capture. Period. That's my story & I'm sticking to it! |
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10/02/2007 07:59:39 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by boysetsfire:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by Larus:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
Agreed! |
And me! |
bring on basic editing for a free study! :) |
Disagreed! |
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10/01/2007 07:19:12 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by Larus:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
Agreed! |
And me! |
bring on basic editing for a free study! :) |
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10/01/2007 07:03:11 PM · #9 |
Maybe we should have a poll on this? I mean really the results might be shocking! My guess would be something along the lines of this:
99% of the people who oppose would be those who like to do little post processing and prefer the documentary style.
99% of the people who are in favor would be those who like to do lots of post processing and prefer a visionary style.
Just a hunch though.
Message edited by author 2007-10-01 19:03:52.
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10/01/2007 06:45:18 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by EyeTrap:
Same... even having advanced rules is a little much for my liking because of how big a difference can be made between original capture and the pp finish. But i'd rather have that since it still looks like a photograph in the end unlike some of the expert entries that were entered. |
Are you saying you would rather have minimal editing free studies? I mean with just a bit of levels/curves adjustment and hue/saturation you can turn a fairly drab image into an image with some "pop" How far is too far then? |
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10/01/2007 04:22:35 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Larus:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
Agreed! |
And me!
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10/01/2007 04:21:11 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Larus:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
Agreed! |
Same... even having advanced rules is a little much for my liking because of how big a difference can be made between original capture and the pp finish. But i'd rather have that since it still looks like a photograph in the end unlike some of the expert entries that were entered. |
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10/01/2007 04:03:12 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
Agreed! |
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10/01/2007 04:01:33 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by kevrobertson:
I agree on being exclusive
BUT the could be released 1 a week for 4 weeks, then there is only 1 on the front page at a time.
week 1 - expert
week 2 - minimal
week 3 - basic
week 4 - advanced
or whatever
Must be taken in preceding 4 weeks from submision date.
What do ya all think?
Kev |
Sounds good to me. Everyone has different opinions about expert editing, this would appear to be a rather elegant solution.
Message edited by author 2007-10-01 16:03:48. |
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10/01/2007 03:54:34 PM · #15 |
I love Expert Editing for free studies, because my main interest is multiple exposure HDRI; I don't get to submit many here which is disappointing. I also love the larger image size and file size in Expert Editing. So bring on the Expert Editing!!!
Of course I'd be just as happy if Advanced Editing was updated to allow multiple exposure HDRI and the larger image and file size :-) |
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10/01/2007 03:40:17 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
I adamantly disagree! |
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09/11/2007 07:49:24 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
me too honestly. I have great respect for the work that goes into multi exposure shots and have used the full extent of the rules with good scores for what thats worth. But I wouldn't have entered them unless it was a monthly FS. Another reason I wouldn't want to see it used for FS is that the rules are still in their trial period. I don't really understand why one would put the site's most highly competitive challenge under a trial ruleset that is still "working out the bugs." I'll probably enter more expert editing challenges but I hope FS stay under advanced editing, until Expert Editing has closed some of the confusing loopholes/workarounds when it comes to brushes. Just my two cents. |
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09/11/2007 07:45:42 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I think the spirit of your suggestion could be implemented in a way that adds even more benefit for all - Run a version of the monthly free study under each editing set every month.
September Free Study - Expert
September Free Study - Advanced
September Free Study - Basic
September Free Study - Minimal (if this is still around)
Pro's -
People who don't want to have anything do with any editing set they have some problem with don't have to
The entries will be spread across 4 challenges, making free studies much easier and less tedious to try and vote 100% on
Con's -
Only con I can think of is people accidentally submitting to the wrong Free Study but this happens from time to time as it is so I don't think it's a great burden to place on the contestants. |
You could have all four run all month long, and each of them be voted one at a time, one week at a time during the following month. Would have a gap between the end of the challenge and when voting starts for three of them and that might drive some people crazy though. |
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09/11/2007 07:30:02 PM · #19 |
| Uhhhhhh... personally I hope to never see another Expert Editing ruleset applied to a regular free study again... |
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09/11/2007 07:02:15 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by kevrobertson:
I agree on being exclusive
BUT the could be released 1 a week for 4 weeks, then there is only 1 on the front page at a time.
week 1 - expert
week 2 - minimal
week 3 - basic
week 4 - advanced
or whatever
Must be taken in preceding 4 weeks from submision date.
What do ya all think?
Kev |
A wonderful solution!!!!! |
idea is wonderful but the implementation is problematic. Imagine I enter advanced editing (runs last week) free study this month and expert editing for next month, in this case how much time I get between two challenges (one week or so).
And if I reverse the entered challenges that is, expert this week and advanced next month I get around 1.5 (or more) months between.
So all these challenges have to be run on same week then. That is the first week of month. In this case the front page is the issue.
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09/11/2007 06:51:54 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by kevrobertson:
I agree on being exclusive
BUT the could be released 1 a week for 4 weeks, then there is only 1 on the front page at a time.
week 1 - expert
week 2 - minimal
week 3 - basic
week 4 - advanced
or whatever
Must be taken in preceding 4 weeks from submision date.
What do ya all think?
Kev |
A wonderful solution!!!!! |
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09/11/2007 06:26:04 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Anastasia:
If you see a challenge marked "Expert Editing", you aren't compelled to look in there and vote Glad Bad. Problem solved :) But we know otherwise, don't we :) |
What the heck?!? It's a Kapluggin sighting! Run for the hills and hold onto your ribbons!!!
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09/11/2007 06:10:48 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by mnphotoblogger:
After observing two expert editing free studies now I think that all free studies should take place with the expert editing rule set. |
No thanks. If digital collages/art/graphics (whatever you want to call it) must be continued, then run them on their own and give those who prefer photography to have an advanced free study every month. It really, really sucks having to mix both types of images/artwork together in one monthly event.
JMO of course. |
If you see a challenge marked "Expert Editing", you aren't compelled to look in there and vote Glad Bad. Problem solved :) But we know otherwise, don't we :) |
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09/09/2007 09:48:32 PM · #24 |
| I like the idea too. As this site is constantly evolving, maybe this could be something implemented for a month to see how it works. |
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09/08/2007 05:10:56 PM · #25 |
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