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03/27/2008 12:37:13 PM · #1
thanks I will check out ron's tips.
03/27/2008 11:58:25 AM · #2
Originally posted by LVicari:

Stupid question but how do you reduce noise and maintian sharpness in the subjects. Everytime I try to reduce noise either thru CS2 or neat image I seem to lose sharpness. Can this be avoided or does it go hand in hand when you apply a reduction.


It depends, primarily on how noisy the image is, and how much fine detail there is in the image. Using CS2's noise reduction tools takes a deft hand and a lot of knowledge to clean up a noisy image without blowing away all the detail. Ron Bigelow has a series of articles on how to do noise reduction with PS.

NeatImage and Noise Ninja will do better with their default settings, but an image with both a lot of detail and a lot of noise will take some tweaking with any tool. It takes practice, even with the high-tech tools. I also find that it helps to do the noise reduction on a layer. Then I can use layer masks and reduce the opacity of the layer to get the best mix of detail and noise reduction.
03/27/2008 11:54:46 AM · #3
Read the Ron Bigelow's articles about noise that someone suggested before. It explains how to keep the sharpness on the edges.

ETA: no question is stupid, and yours was actually a good one :D

Message edited by author 2008-03-27 11:55:33.
03/27/2008 11:17:08 AM · #4
Stupid question but how do you reduce noise and maintian sharpness in the subjects. Everytime I try to reduce noise either thru CS2 or neat image I seem to lose sharpness. Can this be avoided or does it go hand in hand when you apply a reduction.
09/11/2007 06:22:36 PM · #5
Originally posted by Anastasia:

Originally posted by Rino63:

Originally posted by Anastasia:

Delete Neat Image from your system is the best advice I can give. Use Photoshop own filters, you'll have more leverage and obtain better effects.


even my brothers that are very very good photoshop users say the same thing. but if someone write a little tutorial on this argument could be a good thing. for example take a photo with normal noise, clean it and after sharpen the image. a second example with a photo with great noise amount could be great :)


There are many tutorials out there, just google Neat Image. I personally find Neat Image too destructive, the plug in leaves you with far too little leverage. As I said, the best thing is to delete Neat Image from your system.


personally, i don't like neat image. i have the free version but always i obtain a very bad plastic look. probably the photo have too much noise.
09/11/2007 06:16:47 PM · #6
Originally posted by Rino63:

Originally posted by Anastasia:

Delete Neat Image from your system is the best advice I can give. Use Photoshop own filters, you'll have more leverage and obtain better effects.


even my brothers that are very very good photoshop users say the same thing. but if someone write a little tutorial on this argument could be a good thing. for example take a photo with normal noise, clean it and after sharpen the image. a second example with a photo with great noise amount could be great :)


There are many tutorials out there, just google Neat Image. I personally find Neat Image too destructive, the plug in leaves you with far too little leverage. As I said, the best thing is to delete Neat Image from your system.
09/11/2007 06:06:34 PM · #7
Originally posted by Anastasia:

Delete Neat Image from your system is the best advice I can give. Use Photoshop own filters, you'll have more leverage and obtain better effects.


even my brothers that are very very good photoshop users say the same thing. but if someone write a little tutorial on this argument could be a good thing. for example take a photo with normal noise, clean it and after sharpen the image. a second example with a photo with great noise amount could be great :)
09/11/2007 06:00:53 PM · #8
Delete Neat Image from your system is the best advice I can give. Use Photoshop own filters, you'll have more leverage and obtain better effects.
09/07/2007 03:29:31 AM · #9
I use an older-than-current version of a program called PictureCooler which I find very intuitive to use and "effective enough" -- there still seems to be a free version available. English is not the author's first language.
09/07/2007 03:13:13 AM · #10
thanks for all the help guys, i guess i'll try out everything you guys suggested, see what works best for me, and stick with that. thanks again. :)
09/06/2007 04:09:52 PM · #11
Originally posted by levyj413:



Or you can just make a selection and then run the filter. It'll only affect the selection. Still not legal in basic editing. :)


Well, if you want to do it the easy way, sure...;-)
09/06/2007 03:47:37 PM · #12
Great info. Thanks everyone.
09/06/2007 03:00:25 PM · #13
Originally posted by annpatt:

Originally posted by pearlseyes:

The free trial version does not leave a watermark. However, I do have a question. Is there a way to do selective noise reduction?


Duplicate your background layer, and run NeatImage on the duplicated layer. Then mask out the parts of the NeatImaged layer that you don't want noise reduction on. Not legal in basic editing, of course.


Or you can just make a selection and then run the filter. It'll only affect the selection. Still not legal in basic editing. :)
09/06/2007 02:49:43 PM · #14
I use Noiseware. I find that is does a very good job of removing noise while still retaining the detail. There is a free standalone version available.
09/06/2007 02:41:41 PM · #15
Another option is following Ron Bigelow's noise reduction articles. Time consuming and requires some practice to do well, but doesn't require paying for any new software, and sometimes will work on images that Noise Ninja and NeatImage have trouble with.
09/06/2007 02:24:41 PM · #16
Originally posted by yanko:

While photoshop's noise reduction filter doesn't match camera profiles it does do a pretty good job of removing noise.

Paint Shop Pro X has a nice noise reduction piece also. I like where you can move a slider to choose the color range(s) that you want to exclude ("protect") from being processed when the noise reduction runs.
09/06/2007 02:18:28 PM · #17
While photoshop's noise reduction filter doesn't match camera profiles it does do a pretty good job of removing noise.
09/06/2007 02:07:11 PM · #18
Originally posted by pearlseyes:

The free trial version does not leave a watermark. However, I do have a question. Is there a way to do selective noise reduction?


Someone with better PS skills will have to explain exactly how to do this using the standalone NeatImage, but it's easy using the plugin. Duplicate your background layer, and run NeatImage on the duplicated layer. Then mask out the parts of the NeatImaged layer that you don't want noise reduction on. Not legal in basic editing, of course.

09/06/2007 01:32:30 PM · #19
Originally posted by bergiekat:

Can't get a free version of noise ninja that i'm aware of. (some of us are on a budget!)


You get Noise Ninja bundled with Bibble - well not the full version of noise ninja - but on the other hand it does work directly on your raw images instead of having to convert them first.

Download a free 30 day trial at //bibblelabs.com/

Most people eill only need the lite version
09/06/2007 01:31:55 PM · #20
The free trial version does not leave a watermark. However, I do have a question. Is there a way to do selective noise reduction?
09/06/2007 01:22:11 PM · #21
Originally posted by doctornick:

Noise Ninja is much more intuitive to use and produces more natural results IMHO. Neatimage gives you that plastic look...


I have both. I've had images that NeatImage didn't work well on, no matter how I tweaked the settings, that Noise Ninja handled with no problems. And I've had images where the opposite was the case.

I tend to use NeatImage more, because Noise Ninja's default settings tend to overdo images that have a lot of detail.
09/06/2007 12:37:04 PM · #22
thought the demo left a watermark on your photo...if not, let us know!!!
09/06/2007 11:30:25 AM · #23
i've downloaded the demo, it's about the same as the original, right?

thanks for the help simms, it worked pretty well.

doctornick, if it's not free, i can't get it haha. :P
09/06/2007 10:06:25 AM · #24
Can't get a free version of noise ninja that i'm aware of. (some of us are on a budget!)
09/06/2007 09:21:28 AM · #25
Noise Ninja is much more intuitive to use and produces more natural results IMHO. Neatimage gives you that plastic look...
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